Hal N of Provo Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 There is tons of smoke about these 3 guys being up for a trade. What would it take to get them? I’ll add Cooper’s salary info here, since it affects his trade value big time. He can be cut for a 6 million dead cap hit. If he’s not cut, he’s due 20 million per year for 3 years - that is is expensive for a player who is probably in the mid 20s of value. (He’s basically tied for the 3rd highest yearly value right now) your So Amari Cooper has an overpriced contract. That should make him less expensive on the trade market. DK Metcalf is exceptionally good at beating man coverage. He’s probably the most valuable to the Jets but his trade price tag is the highest. Calvin Ridley has tremendous questions surrounding him and the NY Media probably makes this the destination least likely to succeed for him. His trade value? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 Edit merge or nuke lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NYJets43 Posted January 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2022 I’d give #10 back to Seattle for Metcalf 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, NYJets43 said: I’d give #10 back to Seattle for Metcalf In a heartbeat. If that’s not an option I’d take Cooper for a 3rd or 4th. I’d pass on Ridley if it’s expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web72 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Isn’t there a way to reduce Coopers per year by converting it to bonus. I know teams do it all the time but not sure how ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjetman Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 doubt douglas will assume a 20 million a year contract - like someone said in an earlier post he’s probably best sent to a team on the cusp doubt that’s us next year - wouldn’t mind having him but his contract makes him a luxurySent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Do people really trust Amari Cooper to come through in a cold weather game in January enough to justify paying him and giving up a pick? I just dont see what Amari has proved in big games to justify this level of price tag. Yes hes a good WR capable of games with huge numbers in the regular season I just think he disappears too much to justify a big price tag. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time suffering Jets f Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Of course I would prefer Metcalf, but with the draft capital and cap space the Jets have there’s no excuse. They need to get one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Nope, nope and nope Cooper is very inconsistent. Ridley I'm afraid is too much of a chance to take, fair or not once you step away once it is easier the 2nd time. Metcalfe, massive talent, just what the jets could use, except....he is on his way to Antonio Brownville. Just why would Seattle be shopping him, why? big fast strong, big play guy. No team is going to trade a guy like him unless they have a good reason. No one wants anything to do with obj and yet are lining up for these guys? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maxman Posted January 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2022 Anyone who thinks Seattle is making another trade with Joe Douglas isn't paying attention lol. 5 1 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Cooper = 5th Round pick, he'll be cut or restructure. No one is taking on that deal DK = 1st + some. I'd give up #10 for him straight up since you'd have to pay him +$25m per year. Seattle would never do that trade though since they gave up 2 firsts and a 3rd for a Safety. Ridley = 2nd Round pick or a swap in a trade down scenario. Michael Thomas is another name to watch. Big time salary cap issues in NO and Thomas wants out. I think he's worth around a 2nd or 3rd as well. His contract is the best too 3 years at like 16m per or so 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Web72 said: Isn’t there a way to reduce Coopers per year by converting it to bonus. I know teams do it all the time but not sure how ? There is but he'd be sacrificing hitting Free Agency to do that. If I were Cooper I'd play on my current deal or hit the open market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, BCJet said: Do people really trust Amari Cooper to come through in a cold weather game in January enough to justify paying him and giving up a pick? I just dont see what Amari has proved in big games to justify this level of price tag. Yes hes a good WR capable of games with huge numbers in the regular season I just think he disappears too much to justify a big price tag. The $$ amount is a lot but the pick you'd give up is likely a late round pick. No one is taking on that contract. If Douglas thinks Cooper is the guy then I have no problem allocating that cap to him. 3 years with Zach til he needs a deal and you can cut him at any point and save his entire contracts value. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post win4ever Posted January 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2022 Cooper: Oh man, I wanted him so bad in that draft. Remember actually being debated if he or Kevin White was a better fit for us. Hated that the Raiders picked him. Then everyone rejoiced when Schereff was picked by Washington, so BPA of the draft Leonard Williams fell to us. Ugh. I wouldn't mind Cooper because I think he's a prime restructure candidate, since his contract isn't guaranteed. I think they can convert some to a bonus and maybe get the numbers down after a deal. I love his route running, albeit him being not so great this year can be a bit worrisome. However, he's one year younger than Diggs, won't cost nearly as much in draft capital, and we have some cap space. 3 year average before trade: Diggs: 76 catches, 1000 yards, 7.7 TDs, 68.2 Y/G, 8.9 Y/Target Cooper: 79.7, 1056 yards, 7 TDs, 67.4 Y/G, 9.0 Y/Target They both are great route runners. It would just need the contract to be renegotiated to lower the numbers, but increase guarantees. If they can get the cap hit to the 12-14 million range, I take the shot. Metcalf: So I had the misfortune of being in auto draft for this year's fantasy draft in one league I'm involved with. Ended up with Metcalf and Lockett. Added in the Jets pick, ended up watching a ton of Seahawk games. Metcalf is weird, he's an absolute freak, borderline diva, that just completely disappears at times. Lockett was by far their more consistent pass catcher, and Metcalf seemed to always be upset on the sidelines. Part of it was the injury to Wilson, but he just seems so inconsistent, playing with a stud QB and a very good receiver on the other side. I don't know what to think of him, because his physical peak and ceiling is top 3 WR in the league, but he seems to have a lot of off games, mixed in with a few monster games. Considering the draft cost plus he's going to demand a top tier contract as soon as the trade goes through, I'm going to pass. I'd rather have Cooper with low draft compensation, and a lower salary than give up a first round pick. Essentially, I'd rather have first round pick and Cooper (at say 14 million cap hit) than 5th rd pick and Metcalf (at say 18 million cap hit). Ridley: I've already talked about him, perfect fit, but I'm not giving up anything more than the 3rd round pick or worse. Too much risk and money. I'm picking Cooper because I don't want to pay in both money and draft picks. I want a discount on one, which is the Seahawks mistake with Jamal. They paid in both. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, bla bla bla said: Cooper = 5th Round pick, he'll be cut or restructure. No one is taking on that deal DK = 1st + some. I'd give up #10 for him straight up since you'd have to pay him +$25m per year. Seattle would never do that trade though since they gave up 2 firsts and a 3rd for a Safety. Ridley = 2nd Round pick or a swap in a trade down scenario. Of those I'd love to see Ridley acquired in a trade down. Ridley + Atlanta's pick (#8) for the #4. Not sure if there would need to be something else in there like the Jets including a 5th round pick or something but this is generally the approach I'd like to take. Ridley, the #8 and the #10 is a nice 1st round. Quote Michael Thomas is another name to watch. Big time salary cap issues in NO and Thomas wants out. I think he's worth around a 2nd or 3rd as well. His contract is the best too 3 years at like 16m per or so I'm concerned about Thomas' injury the more I read about it and his setbacks in rehab. For a little while I thought that maybe Thomas was avoiding coming back in a lost season for the Saints but that team was competitive to the end and finished 9-8. They could have used him if he was healthy. Love the talent, love the player, concerned about the injury. There's someone else I mentioned in another thread that hasn't been mentioned at all as being available but that the Jets should inquire about, Robert Woods from the Rams. He recently signed a big new deal but he got hurt this year. I don't think the Rams are shopping him... but maybe they should be. This is a Rams team lacking draft pick capital because of big trades for guys like Jalen Ramsey. But the other key is that they've shown they can win without Woods. Don't get me wrong, he's excellent... but Kupp is the man on the team, Van Jefferson is blossoming into a WR2 type and OBJ looks rejuvenated and is helping that team right now. If I'm JD I make the call... it couldn't hurt. The Jets take Woods' contract and send back a much-needed Draft pick, maybe the #35. Does that make any sense or am I missing something? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Even though I think Metcalf is too risky.... Could you imagine? Jamal Adams for AVT and Metcalf ha ha ho ho he he. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I’d trade a 3rd for Cooper. If we can get him for less, even better. Ridley has to pass whatever evaluation we can do. If he checks out, a 2nd seems right. DK is worth a 1st. So it'll probably take pick #10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I’d do my homework but I honestly think Calvin Ridley is the best option of the 3. DK is going to go DARK- it’s inevitable Amari is going to be overpriced Ridley is right where Diggs was before he was traded to the Bills. I don’t know his head status, but if it checks out enough I’d love to have him here, support him, and make an airtight prenup contract with payment for availability loaded with incentives. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 The upcoming Amari Cooper divorce has been pretty clear for some time. Both parties need part ways. There were grumbling from both sides earlier this year. Glad Jerry Jones is bringing down his trade value. $20m is a bit rich for Cooper even if you factor out the down year. But it’s not egregious. He is still a go to WR and would be paid in the Mike Williams / Allen Robinson range if he were a FA. Say 16-17m per year. Cooper just happens to be on a team with talented skilled players all over the field and CeeDee Lamb became Dak’s main guy. On the Jets, I have no doubt Cooper will return to being a 1,000+ yard WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 7 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Of those I'd love to see Ridley acquired in a trade down. Ridley + Atlanta's pick (#8) for the #4. Not sure if there would need to be something else in there like the Jets including a 5th round pick or something but this is generally the approach I'd like to take. Ridley, the #8 and the #10 is a nice 1st round. I'm concerned about Thomas' injury the more I read about it and his setbacks in rehab. For a little while I thought that maybe Thomas was avoiding coming back in a lost season for the Saints but that team was competitive to the end and finished 9-8. They could have used him if he was healthy. Love the talent, love the player, concerned about the injury. There's someone else I mentioned in another thread that hasn't been mentioned at all as being available but that the Jets should inquire about, Robert Woods from the Rams. He recently signed a big new deal but he got hurt this year. I don't think the Rams are shopping him... but maybe they should be. This is a Rams team lacking draft pick capital because of big trades for guys like Jalen Ramsey. But the other key is that they've shown they can win without Woods. Don't get me wrong, he's excellent... but Kupp is the man on the team, Van Jefferson is blossoming into a WR2 type and OBJ looks rejuvenated and is helping that team right now. If I'm JD I make the call... it couldn't hurt. The Jets take Woods' contract and send back a much-needed Draft pick, maybe the #35. Does that make any sense or am I missing something? Hmm interesting, I hadn't really considered Robert Woods but he'd be a scheme fit for sure. I don't think I'd give up a 2nd for him but worth a look: 30 years old in April, 4 years left on deal: 2022: $13.5m 2023: $13.7m 2024: $15.7m 2025: $17.3m You'd be able to cut him at any point, only guaranteed money left is for 2022. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Why is Metcalf available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Maxman said: Anyone who thinks Seattle is making another trade with Joe Douglas isn't paying attention lol. Agreed. Plus the likelihood of us trading one of our firsts for a WR is very slim. It’s more likely we trade back and maybe get a player in a deal instead of a future pick but we aren’t trading 4 or 10 straight up for a player. Possibly one of our second rounders but not one of our top 10 picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Draft WRs and save all the monies for Deebo in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Would rather take on higher 13 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: Draft WRs and save all the monies for Deebo in 2023. Time for waiting is over. Need impact players now - if they're available you do what you can to get them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Eh...love Metcalf but he would cost a ton. Cooper disappears in the spotlight and Ridley is a massive question mark. If the latter could get his head on straight, I think he's your best bet. That said, I'd much rather keep the picks, re-sign Berrios, sign Mike Williams and keep filling out the position in the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 No to all of them. The days of bailing out other dopes for lousy contracts given to players are over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 13 hours ago, NYJets43 said: I’d give #10 back to Seattle for Metcalf only if he is willing to sign an extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Matt39 said: Why is Metcalf available? I'd love to know this as well. The Seahawks seem like they are in prime position to pay him ($70m in cap). Only way it makes sense to trade DK is if Russell wants out. Would allow the Seahawks to bring in a ton of trade assets to restart. If he is traded, no way does he come to the Jets. They will want at least 2 firsts and a third. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 12 hours ago, bla bla bla said: The $$ amount is a lot but the pick you'd give up is likely a late round pick. No one is taking on that contract. If Douglas thinks Cooper is the guy then I have no problem allocating that cap to him. 3 years with Zach til he needs a deal and you can cut him at any point and save his entire contracts value. This is where I am. The money is too much but the length and structure aren't bad and it theoretically lets you hang on to draft capital since the bad contract should deflate the cost to acquire him. If he's not inconsistent and not overpaid then the draft capital is a ton. As he is, it's a cost controlled low risk upgrade. Jets could use immediate impact at WR for Wilson - that's trade or FA and FA is a minefield. In the case of looking to acquire a veteran WR I'll trade cap dollars for draft capital. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Metcalf? Send them their #1 back for him and a 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, derp said: This is where I am. The money is too much but the length and structure aren't bad and it theoretically lets you hang on to draft capital since the bad contract should deflate the cost to acquire him. If he's not inconsistent and not overpaid then the draft capital is a ton. As he is, it's a cost controlled low risk upgrade. Jets could use immediate impact at WR for Wilson - that's trade or FA and FA is a minefield. In the case of looking to acquire a veteran WR I'll trade cap dollars for draft capital. Yea trade is definitely the move I prefer. We don't need more youth, we need proven talent more than anything. Ridley, Thomas, and Cooper are the 3 I'd be seriously considering because of the value. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I'd love to know this as well. The Seahawks seem like they are in prime position to pay him ($70m in cap). Only way it makes sense to trade DK is if Russell wants out. Would allow the Seahawks to bring in a ton of trade assets to restart. If he is traded, no way does he come to the Jets. They will want at least 2 firsts and a third. Agreed. The thing is, I would have only thought Carroll would return if they were keeping Wilson. Very curious to see what happens with that team this offseason. Lot's of question marks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 While they have enough picks that they can part with one for a veteran player, I'd be surprised if they specifically traded for a WR. They have two younger/young starting WRs under contract. Corey Davis just turned 27 this month and Elijah Moore will be 22 next season. They could use a 3rd starter, of course, but they're not so desperate that they can't wait until the draft. Until then, they'll look to re-sign Berrios or sign someone else in that $4-6MM range again. Then with that corps in their back pocket, head into the draft looking for a WR in the top 40 who'll be pretty cheap for the next 5 years. Things panning out just-so for this or that wow veteran WR may change things, but absent that I think that's the plan. The veteran receiver they're going to push for harder (before the draft) will probably be at TE not WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 20 hours ago, NYJets43 said: I’d give #10 back to Seattle for Metcalf Totally. I get on him for those stupid moves he's made, but he's a great WR and somebody that Zach could rely on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Ridley scares the T Total sh*t out of me. Dude left the team for the year…. No way to know he wouldn’t do it again PASS Cooper or DK sure, Deleon trade cost. DK younger higher ceiling and I think fits the role we do t have right now. Cooper is more the Elijah Moore type outside receiver. I’m not saying no to Cooper but if it was between the 2 I’d prefer DK and deal with any personality issues and let Moore help babysit him. id be happy with either. Still need to draft another guy and find a way to trade Davis If you get DK or Coop. Unless you want $50mil tied up in WRs in a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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