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Joe Schoen says Giants will do 'deep dive' into injury woes


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the reason i post this is the Giants have the SAME problem as us. is this a coincidence? i dont think so. im telling you guys there is something wrong with the field at Met life.

 

Since 2009, no team has dealt with more injuries than the New York Giants. In fact, their players have missed more than 3,000 combined games over that span due to injury.

 

How is that possible, you ask? That’s a great question and one that must be answered.

The Giants have gone through three general managers, five head coaches (it will be six shortly if you count Steve Spagnuolo) and complete personnel turnover during that time. Everything has changed on repeat with the sole exception of the injury issues.

Newly hired general manager Joe Schoen intends to set out on a journey of discovery to pinpoint the issue and fix it once and for all.

“Some of the issues around here in the past have been injuries. We need to do a deep dive into that and make sure we’re doing everything we can so these players can put their best foot forward on Sundays,” Schoen told Tiki and Tierney.

Making sure the injury issues are capped will be a key part of the Giants’ head coaching search as well.

 

“Are you going to listen to Ronnie Barnes and the guys downstairs? Are you going to listen to the strength coach? Are you going to listen to the sports performance when they tell you we need to pull back and don’t keep pushing?” Schoen said.

Don’t expect a magical turnaround, especially given that Schoen appears poised to keep Ronnie Barnes & Co. in place. But perhaps advancements in on-field analytical data will help ease the injury burden and send the recent trend in the opposite direction over the next few seasons.

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5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

How many of both teams' injuries have happened at MetLife?

we dont know, but like i said thats some coincidence that the 2 teams that play in that stadium have the most injuries in the league year in and year out. 

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Just now, doitny said:

we dont know, but like i said thats some coincidence that the 2 teams that play in that stadium have the most injuries in the league year in and year out. 

Could very well be explained by the distractions in the NY Metro area.  More things to do other than work on conditioning.

They need to take a look at all injuries that occur on that field, including those of opposing teams not including concussions. 

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He's likely to bring the Bills system with him to the Giants. The Bills have been using a system where players wear sensors and track very specific things about how much the players are doing in practices during camp and apply analytics to how much work players should get.

It can be tough to really identify teams that have reduced their injuries, but according to mangameslost.com the Bills have reduced their injuries in the last 4 seasons to go from one of the more injured teams 2009-2017 to being one of the least injured teams 2018-2021. KC does something similar and is also one of the least injured teams. 

 

As for the metlife thing, Mangameslost tracks by game so you could compile it looking at jets / Giants home games, but it's $350 to access that data and I'm not interested enough in it. Someone might want to tell Joe Douglas about it though and he can sign up and look into it. 

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https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/metlife-stadium-turf-nfl-injured-jets-giants/1ifxmbcsuckp21lhvlnsjcz5y2

 

 

The NFL released a statement following the 49ers' complaints that an independent field inspector had looked at the field on Sept. 12 (the day before the game) and "certified that the field was in compliance with all applicable NFL policies." The NFL also clarified that the home team must certify their home field's compliance within 72 hours of kickoff, and that that happened, too.

 

i don’t think it’s the turf. That said, it would be a good idea to replace it with whatever is considered the safest surface 

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5 minutes ago, Larz said:


 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/metlife-stadium-turf-nfl-injured-jets-giants/1ifxmbcsuckp21lhvlnsjcz5y2

 

 

The NFL released a statement following the 49ers' complaints that an independent field inspector had looked at the field on Sept. 12 (the day before the game) and "certified that the field was in compliance with all applicable NFL policies." The NFL also clarified that the home team must certify their home field's compliance within 72 hours of kickoff, and that that happened, too.

 

i don’t think it’s the turf. That said, it would be a good idea to replace it with whatever is considered the safest surface 

They did.  The turf SF bitched about was brand new, in its first season of use.  It was supposedly the most widely used turf

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Is it a coincidence that KC is one of the least injured teams, the Bills became one of the least injured teams once they got good, and that the bad Jets and Giants are two of the most injured teams?  

Maybe players report their injuries more when they are not playing for a playoff check?

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36 minutes ago, varjet said:

Is it a coincidence that KC is one of the least injured teams, the Bills became one of the least injured teams once they got good, and that the bad Jets and Giants are two of the most injured teams?  

Maybe players report their injuries more when they are not playing for a playoff check?

I think players call it a “business decision”.

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19 hours ago, docdhc said:

I wonder if a cold weather stadium with 2 teams could manage a natural grass field?  Philly, Baltimore, KC, Pittsburgh all have grass but only 1 team. 

Pittsburgh shares their stadium with the U of Pitt, so they replace the sod in the middle of the field a lot.  From a pure aesthetics view the grass field will look bad, especially the endzones that will need to be painted every week.   
 

I could see them switching from the current Field Turf brand to the newer Matrix Turf brand though.  Matrix turf is in Sofi Stadium and the Cowboys Stadium.  

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20 hours ago, Larz said:


 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/metlife-stadium-turf-nfl-injured-jets-giants/1ifxmbcsuckp21lhvlnsjcz5y2

 

 

The NFL released a statement following the 49ers' complaints that an independent field inspector had looked at the field on Sept. 12 (the day before the game) and "certified that the field was in compliance with all applicable NFL policies." The NFL also clarified that the home team must certify their home field's compliance within 72 hours of kickoff, and that that happened, too.

 

i don’t think it’s the turf. That said, it would be a good idea to replace it with whatever is considered the safest surface 

GRASS. All NFL fields should be grass.

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5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

GRASS. All NFL fields should be grass.

I can't believe that over the 40-50 years that stadiums have tried so many different surfaces besides grass, the NFLPA hasn't made playing on grass fields a major issue in all the collective bargaining sessions they've had.

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23 hours ago, doitny said:

the reason i post this is the Giants have the SAME problem as us. is this a coincidence? i dont think so. im telling you guys there is something wrong with the field at Met life.

 

 

As others have noted, can you prove that these injuries are happening disproportionately at home vs the road? Lawson's injury wasn't at Met Life. Marcus Maye tore his Achilles in Indy. Davis got knocked out due to a core muscle injury that can't be attributed to Met Life either). And I think Wilson got hurt in New England. 

I think one of the biggest issues the Jets have is with persistent injuries (not the big season enders). And I think much of that feels worse because they are rebuilding and out of it after week 4, so when they get an injury the GM decides to shut that player down for much  longer than competitive teams.  I assume that will change now that the expectation next year will be to be at least a .500 team. 

The Rams are hailed as a team that is great in this area, yet they lose Cam Akers to an Achilles and Woods to an ACL. They also lost Darrell henderson to an injury that ended his season. If the Jets lost their #2 WR, their #1 and #2 RBs, the team would be a disaster. The Rams are competitive so they just go out and bring in Odell and Michel. That is something JD will have to do now that the honeymoon is over. 

I will give the Rams credit for getting Akers back this year. That is NOT something the Jets are close to accomplishing. 

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