CanadienJetsFan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, greenwave81 said: Everyone keeps saying this, but....most of the teams with $30 million cap space ain't close to going to the SB. It's usually up to the player...is it the team environment/prospects at less $, or is it about maximizing income on my next deal? It will be interesting Seriously he ain’t coming to New York. You can get is 30 million somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 52 minutes ago, nycdan said: I told her to take a deep breath to help her settle down. Jesus...I need a minute. Or 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Seriously he ain’t coming to New York. You can get is 30 million somewhere else. Maybe he's not, but you miss every shot you don't take. If he makes it to FA Douglas has to make a strong push for him and do whatever to sell the Jets & the area. Adams has made it clear he wants to be the highest paid WR in the game. You can presume what his other priorities are but no one KNOWS. Maybe his wife has always had a desire to live in NYC or something. I agree it's a tough sell but never give up without trying. See if there's an angle and shoot it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Jesus...I need a minute. Or 15. You wouldn't last 15 seconds. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 We know the amount of needs the team has and it would be unrealistic to pay such a big contract on a rebuild. Obvious stuff...How long is this ducking rebuild? When do we actually want to be good? You start by have good players. Right now we have next to none. At least with Adams we’d have one.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Snell41 said: How long is this ducking rebuild? When do we actually want to be good? You start by have good players. Right now we have next to none. At least with Adams we’d have one. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app It's a waste of energy to think about bringing these type of contracts. It's not happening with JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: You wouldn't last 15 seconds. That's what your wife said too...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Snell41 said: How long is this ducking rebuild? When do we actually want to be good? You start by have good players. Right now we have next to none. At least with Adams we’d have one. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app We’re all going to be here 30 years from now talking about “be patient…let the process play out…the rebuild is almost over”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I often advocate not signing the 'top' guys unless you're know beyond a shadow of doubt that you're going to get the same player (or better) when they come to play for you. Too much money for what far too often turns out to be a player of less caliber than the contract they signed. Those deals are impossible to 'win' because, at best, you're getting the same player, but much more likely you're getting a degraded performance of some sort. Adams is the exception to the rule. He's a game changer even if he loses a step. You want to support your young QB? Get Adams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 We’re all going to be here 30 years from now talking about “be patient…let the process play out…the rebuild is almost over”. Going to be? Dude, we’ve been failing at rebuilds for the past 40 years already. I don’t care who we have at other positions at this point, I’d like to see a superstar in our uniform before I die. All I’ve seen is Klecko and 3 years of Revis. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 6:01 PM, Drums said: 30 mil a year though, any WRs making near that? Hopkins makes 27. Okay. Even the Hopkins extension wasn't apples to apples. On the one hand, yes it was an extension at that surprising rate. On the other hand, Arizona already had him at far less than that - 3 years @ around $13.5MM - so the extension to make Hopkins happy wouldn't necessarily feel like anything near $27MM/yr. Before (his remaining contract years at the time of the trade): $12.5MM $13.5MM $13.9MM After ($27.5MM SB spread over 5 yrs + 2 new extension years with $27MM in salary. Arizona didn't keep his contract hitting exactly this way, but to make it seem more apples & apples for this discussion): $18MM (above + $5.5MM amortized SB) $19MM ( " ) $19.4MM ( " ) $19MM ($13.5MM new year + $5.5MM amortized SB) $19MM ( " ) Now again, Arizona didn't opt to have it all hit just this way, but that's just nuance. From their standpoint they'd have made that trade for Hopkins if he was locked in for 3 years at $14MM or 5 years at $19MM, because he was such a special receiver and they had a young QB on a relatively cheap rookie deal. i.e. that QB+WR duo = under $30MM/year for the pair. Anyway, had they chosen to let it hit like a true extension, and leave the existing years alone, this $27MM/year extension results in zero years with a cap hit more than $19MM/year (way, way less than $27MM per). To Arizona, their new WR was effectively on a 5 year $94.5MM deal ($18.9MM/year) starting at age 28. That's totally different than a $30MM/year UFA contract for Adams starting at age 30, since he won't come to his new team with 3 vastly under-market years @ ~$15MM where he's looking for 2 years @$30MM tacked onto that. Such an arrangement would be the proper analogy - as it'd result in $21MM x 5 years - not $30MM x 5 years. Adams is asking for 10% more than Hopkins got, if you just isolate the Hopkins extension years, but in practice it'd result in a contract that's some 50% higher than the Hopkins years in Arizona. I don't think he gets that from anyone, and there's a high probability he won't even match the Hopkins extension rate either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 8:19 PM, GreenFish said: We’re all going to be here 30 years from now talking about “be patient…let the process play out…the rebuild is almost over”. I’m not even sure what the **** we’re judging Douglas by at this point. When are we allowed to start expecting wins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 If Devante Adams makes it to freeagency or traded -expect him to be playing for the Raiders. Carr and D Adams are best buds, and always dreamed of playing together . J Gruden house next to D Carr house in Vegas iS up for sale. Carr on the record will take less if they get D Adams . D Adams isn’t going anywhere he doesn’t want to go , so choices are very limited to Packers if they plan to trade him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutter is a tool Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 1/29/2022 at 9:52 AM, Jethead said: The Chargers have the cap room and the QB. Maybe we can spring Mike Williams from them. He would be a good get for the Jets. Mike Williams reminds me of Corey davis. Relatively inconsistent/unimpressive numbers throughout his career. Best year was his contract year. Never resembled a #1 receiver but will be looking for 1A type money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I see she is holding the tubes containing photos of me naked. PHEW! Thought they had got lost in the mail.That's why she's looking so worried ... Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Going to be? Dude, we’ve been failing at rebuilds for the past 40 years already. I don’t care who we have at other positions at this point, I’d like to see a superstar in our uniform before I die. All I’ve seen is Klecko and 3 years of Revis. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile appTo be fair we have had some great sloppy seconds .... Demarious, Braylon, Faneca, Lott, LT, Bell, Santonio, Brandon etc etc ... problem is a lot of them stopped playing NFL caliber football between the Jets signing them and the beginning of the season.Mad props to Braylon, Cromartie and Faneca though ... maintained high standard of play after their contract signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 1/28/2022 at 7:14 PM, Rhg1084 said: honestly the Jets should just give it to him. 3 years $90m give him guaranteed. They have the cap room and the salary cap keeps going up every year anyway. This type of deal would take it right up to Zach’s extension. So now is the time for JD to open up the wallet The Jets have historically reserved those type of contracts for players who don't deserve them but allow the good ones to walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 You guys still clinging to this Devante Adams to the Jets fantasy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: You guys still clinging to this Devante Adams to the Jets fantasy? Well we have at least 2 more weeks to go to see if he gets tagged. If he doesn’t and hits open market it will get interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Well we have at least 2 more weeks to go to see if he gets tagged. If he doesn’t and hits open market it will get interesting! Won’t be interesting for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastMole Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 1/28/2022 at 4:50 PM, Peace Frog said: It’s funny that dudes here think he’s coming here. Oh, and Patrick Mahomes is going to finagle a way to get traded to the Jets. With Arron Donald. Adams has not made any statements to the press expressing the desire to play in New York. For a third of Adam's asking price the Jets could sign Robby Anderson and get Adam's ability to stretch the field and have 20 Million left over to secure other players like the Tight Ends Mike LeFleur wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: To be fair we have had some great sloppy seconds .... Demarious, Braylon, Faneca, Lott, LT, Bell, Santonio, Brandon etc etc ... problem is a lot of them stopped playing NFL caliber football between the Jets signing them and the beginning of the season. Mad props to Braylon, Cromartie and Faneca though ... maintained high standard of play after their contract signing. I loved Braylon. We was so good in 2009-2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Won’t be interesting for the Jets. You’re probably right but who knows crazier things have happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I love how we sit here like, “nah, we don’t want Devonte Adams, DK Metcalf…. They cost too much” as if we’re paying the ******* bill. We haven’t had one superstar in the past 32 years except Revis. Not one. Stupid thinking like this is why. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 I love how we sit here like, “nah, we don’t want Devonte Adams, DK Metcalf…. They cost too much” as if we’re paying the ******* bill. We haven’t had one superstar in the past 32 years except Revis. Not one. Stupid thinking like this is why. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile appWe drafted Revis Bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 19 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Even the Hopkins extension wasn't apples to apples. On the one hand, yes it was an extension at that surprising rate. On the other hand, Arizona already had him at far less than that - 3 years @ around $13.5MM - so the extension to make Hopkins happy wouldn't necessarily feel like anything near $27MM/yr. Before (his remaining contract years at the time of the trade): $12.5MM $13.5MM $13.9MM After ($27.5MM SB spread over 5 yrs + 2 new extension years with $27MM in salary. Arizona didn't keep his contract hitting exactly this way, but to make it seem more apples & apples for this discussion): $18MM (above + $5.5MM amortized SB) $19MM ( " ) $19.4MM ( " ) $19MM ($13.5MM new year + $5.5MM amortized SB) $19MM ( " ) Now again, Arizona didn't opt to have it all hit just this way, but that's just nuance. From their standpoint they'd have made that trade for Hopkins if he was locked in for 3 years at $14MM or 5 years at $19MM, because he was such a special receiver and they had a young QB on a relatively cheap rookie deal. i.e. that QB+WR duo = under $30MM/year for the pair. Anyway, had they chosen to let it hit like a true extension, and leave the existing years alone, this $27MM/year extension results in zero years with a cap hit more than $19MM/year (way, way less than $27MM per). To Arizona, their new WR was effectively on a 5 year $94.5MM deal ($18.9MM/year) starting at age 28. That's totally different than a $30MM/year UFA contract for Adams starting at age 30, since he won't come to his new team with 3 vastly under-market years @ ~$15MM where he's looking for 2 years @$30MM tacked onto that. Such an arrangement would be the proper analogy - as it'd result in $21MM x 5 years - not $30MM x 5 years. Adams is asking for 10% more than Hopkins got, if you just isolate the Hopkins extension years, but in practice it'd result in a contract that's some 50% higher than the Hopkins years in Arizona. I don't think he gets that from anyone, and there's a high probability he won't even match the Hopkins extension rate either. What have you done to the thread title? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Does Rodgers wanting $50mm/year change anyone's thinking who is sure the Packers will be putting the franchise tag on Adams? It just seems like a crap situation for their GM. Something big has to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 We drafted Revis Bro.Not sure your point. We’re only allowed to draft superstars? Hooray, we found one in 30 years. Maybe we should actually try signing one that we actually know is good.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Not sure your point. We’re only allowed to draft superstars? Hooray, we found one in 30 years. Maybe we should actually try signing one that we actually know is good.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile appIts about value of contract ... simple math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Its about value of contract ... simple math.Simple math-we have only employed one superstar player in his prime in 30 years. Simple math, in 30 years we’ve won next to nothing. 30 years 1 legit superstars. 30 million dollars isn’t coming out of your pocket, and it’s only wasted if the QB can’t maximize Adams’ talent. So if you don’t want Davonte Adams you’re basically admitting Zach Wilson isn’t good enough to warrant paying Adams, which is unfortunately true. We’re watching teams that seemingly are in cap hell find ways to sign Von Miller and OBJ. Enough is enough, start paying great players so we can actually be competitive. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Simple math-we have only employed one superstar player in his prime in 30 years. Simple math, in 30 years we’ve won next to nothing. 30 years 1 legit superstars. 30 million dollars isn’t coming out of your pocket, and it’s only wasted if the QB can’t maximize Adams’ talent. So if you don’t want Davonte Adams you’re basically admitting Zach Wilson isn’t good enough to warrant paying Adams, which is unfortunately true. We’re watching teams that seemingly are in cap hell find ways to sign Von Miller and OBJ. Enough is enough, start paying great players so we can actually be competitive. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app...or acknowledging the reality is our entire team has sucked mooseballs for a decade, needs an overhaul and the wealth needs to be spread accross the roster ....... what are you not understanding ?... i guess there are two schools.of thought .. the NBA superstar eats salary model ... and the more equitable distribution model that fortifies all.positions to enable a higher level of play in all phases of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Another off season, another platoon of delusional fans thinking one of the "Best Players" in the NFL would sign here. He wouldn't even pick up the phone if we called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Paradis said: Another off season, another platoon of delusional fans thinking one of the "Best Players" in the NFL would sign here. He wouldn't even pick up the phone if we called We're probably on his blocked numbers list 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 ...or acknowledging the reality is our entire team has sucked mooseballs for a decade, needs an overhaul and the wealth needs to be spread accross the roster ....... what are you not understanding ?... i guess there are two schools.of thought .. the NBA superstar eats salary model ... and the more equitable distribution model that fortifies all.positions to enable a higher level of play in all phases of the game.Spread the wealth where Dunnie? Actually let me rephrase, spread WHAT wealth? We have none, we’ve had none. I keep hearing this whole notion that we need to be balanced with good players on all facets. Where’s the good players to balance? We’ve been employing this philosophy for decades and it hasn’t worked. What we haven’t done is had one true superstar besides Revis for about 3 to 4 years. Not one player we could say is even top 10 in the league, much less elite. Pay Adams elite money, and spread the remaining wealth amongst the rest of the sh*tty players like we’ve been doing all along. At least you’ll have one thing worthy of turning the tv on for.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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