kmnj Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 The bengals showed a trash team can go from 2 wins to the super bowl in a very short time . Parcells took a one win team to the AFC championship. It might not be the norm but it can be done . Another two to five win season again under Joe would be a huge failure. He has tons of draft capital and lots of money to spend. I am not expecting a miracle but improvements and ability to complete especially in our division is critical. If not Joe is just the clowns before him. The plus side of watching the bengals is hope and affirmation a rebuild can be executed with the proper gm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, kmnj said: The bengals showed a trash team can go from 2 wins to the super bowl in a very short time . Parcells took a one win team to the AFC championship. It might not be the norm but it can be done . Another two to five win season again under Joe would be a huge failure. He has tons of draft capital and lots of money to spend. I am not expecting a miracle but improvements and ability to complete especially in our division is critical. If not Joe is just the clowns before him. The plus side of watching the bengals is hope and affirmation a rebuild can be executed with the proper gm The NFL is about star players and star QBs period. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sammybighead Posted January 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2022 We will make a similar jump if, and only if, Wilson is a star. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xtina Posted January 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2022 Not this again 5 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freestater Posted January 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2022 47 minutes ago, Xtina said: Not this again Would you prefer to hear my theory on coin tosses? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, kmnj said: The bengals showed a trash team can go from 2 wins to the super bowl in a very short time . Parcells took a one win team to the AFC championship. It might not be the norm but it can be done . Another two to five win season again under Joe would be a huge failure. He has tons of draft capital and lots of money to spend. I am not expecting a miracle but improvements and ability to complete especially in our division is critical. If not Joe is just the clowns before him. The plus side of watching the bengals is hope and affirmation a rebuild can be executed with the proper gm https://www.bengals.com/news/recapping-the-bengals-2021-offseason-moves Take a look at the moves they made. JD better nail this draft and open the check book!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, kmnj said: The bengals showed a trash team can go from 2 wins to the super bowl in a very short time . Parcells took a one win team to the AFC championship. It might not be the norm but it can be done . Another two to five win season again under Joe would be a huge failure. He has tons of draft capital and lots of money to spend. I am not expecting a miracle but improvements and ability to complete especially in our division is critical. If not Joe is just the clowns before him. The plus side of watching the bengals is hope and affirmation a rebuild can be executed with the proper gm The Bengals obviously had some really good draft picks. We will see if we are as lucky with Carter, Moore, and Wilson. Still need to fix the defensive side of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 The big 'if' with Zach Wilson as with any football player, is...can Zach W. stay healthy. He has had some injury history through college into his rookie year. With an improved oline, more experience and familiarity with the offense in his second year, I expect to see Zach Wilson take a leap. I am cynical but I saw enough in the latter half of the season to think that he can lead us to 7 to 9 wins in his second year, if ZW and the key players remain healthy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ScarletKnight89 Posted January 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2022 The biggest difference though is that Joe Burrow came into the league and looked like he was going to be awesome from game 1. Zach has not showed that yet. The Jets and Bengals are not similar. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted January 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 hours ago, kmnj said: The bengals showed a trash team can go from 2 wins to the super bowl in a very short time . Parcells took a one win team to the AFC championship. It might not be the norm but it can be done . Another two to five win season again under Joe would be a huge failure. He has tons of draft capital and lots of money to spend. I am not expecting a miracle but improvements and ability to complete especially in our division is critical. If not Joe is just the clowns before him. The plus side of watching the bengals is hope and affirmation a rebuild can be executed with the proper gm Oh look, your x-teenth thread about the same exact thing. Good stuff. Looking forward to the next one. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Sammybighead said: We will make a similar jump if, and only if, Wilson is a star. i don't know if that's entirely true. the niners went without a star qb in both kapernick and garapollo. and they've had quite a bit of success with garapollo at qb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said: The biggest difference though is that Joe Burrow came into the league and looked like he was going to be awesome from game 1. Zach has not showed that yet. The Jets and Bengals are not similar. burrow played in a more better conference and had a better record. this doesn't mean wilson won't be good but he didn't have the same level of competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be_a_Jet Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Playing the titans is nice. Remember facing Brady, Peyton, Ben consecutively was just a gauntlet - sometimes it’s also how the chips fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Copernicus Posted January 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2022 Can we just stay the course instead of looking at every team that has success in the moment and then think "well if they did it then why havent the Jets done it?" Every situation is completely different. We showed progress in the second half of the season on the field but not on the scoreboard. We are probably not going to make a HUGE jump in the win column next season. For me, it will be enough to have a few more wins, but more importantly build off of the successes we saw at the end of the season. We are finally building from the foundation up and changing a ridiculously bad culture. We (including myself) cannot judge this current front office, coaches and players with unsuccessful ones of the near past. Unfortunately this change is not done overnight. Anything in life worthwhile takes time. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: https://www.bengals.com/news/recapping-the-bengals-2021-offseason-moves Take a look at the moves they made. JD better nail this draft and open the check book!! Two things jump out at me. 1. They hit on their big name FAs. (yes they lost Reiff to injury but Awuzie, Hendrickson and Apple have been very good for them). 2. They hit on their top draft picks. (Chase, Carman, Ossai...and I'm going to throw in McPherson for good measure) Apart from staying healthy and the obvious progression of Zach. I think these two things will also be very critical for the Jets this offseason. Sounds obvious but JD needs to hit on at least 2-3 impact FAs which he will bring in as starters and he needs to hit on 2-3 draft picks. That's 4-6 impact starters. I think if the team comes back healthy, that should be enough to make them competitive. Maybe not Superbowl competitive like the Bengals. But competitive in the division. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Only 2 wins and not a single playoff win since '91. That's all it takes, folks! only 30 years of waiting for a win! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Gangrene said: The big 'if' with Zach Wilson as with any football player, is...can Zach W. stay healthy. He has had some injury history through college into his rookie year. With an improved oline, more experience and familiarity with the offense in his second year, I expect to see Zach Wilson take a leap. I am cynical but I saw enough in the latter half of the season to think that he can lead us to 7 to 9 wins in his second year, if ZW and the key players remain healthy. I am not a neutral Zach observer but if you did not notice the leaps and bounds by which he not only improved but calmed down as the season neared its end coupled with him losing every playmaker he had than you are just not seeing past the bias. I see no reason not to think Zach will take a huge leap in 2022. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 The Jets are kind of following the Bengals’ plan. Bengals 2019- LT 2020- QB/WR 2021- WR Jets 2020- LT/WR 2021-QB/WR 2022-? Mims is a bust, but the Davis signing offsets it. Zach just needs to take a big step in the next two years and we’ll be right there with them with a better o-line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said: The biggest difference though is that Joe Burrow came into the league and looked like he was going to be awesome from game 1. Zach has not showed that yet. The Jets and Bengals are not similar. Have to hope for the Josh Allen path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Copernicus said: Can we just stay the course instead of looking at every team that has success in the moment and then think "well if they did it then why havent the Jets done it?" Every situation is completely different. We showed progress in the second half of the season on the field but not on the scoreboard. We are probably not going to make a HUGE jump in the win column next season. For me, it will be enough to have a few more wins, but more importantly build off of the successes we saw at the end of the season. We are finally building from the foundation up and changing a ridiculously bad culture. We (including myself) cannot judge this current front office, coaches and players with unsuccessful ones of the near past. Unfortunately this change is done overnight. Anything in life worthwhile takes time. I agree 100%. Which is why we have seen JD take a slow and steady approach of building through the draft, putting together FA contracts in a way that allows flexibility, rarely committing to players long term, valuing draft picks immensely. However, there IS a timeline. JD drafted Zach, Saleh was brought in, all at the same time. Their contracts line up and there IS a window here. So JD needs to understand that at some point either they move on from Zach or they start to get aggressive in FA or via trade (line the Rams did for example) to turn this into a true contender. Seems like 2023 and 24 are going to be those seasons, when the Jets will have two shots with Zach under his rookie deal before we get into option/resigning territory in 2025. That is not far off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Zach probably won’t be as good as Burrow this quickly, but the way the line is being built, he won’t have to be. Burrow has been under fire and 99.9% of the quarterbacks in the world would’ve crumbled, including Brady. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Jets took it to the Bengals on Halloween, Heck, how far off can the Jets be? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, PepPep said: Two things jump out at me. 1. They hit on their big name FAs. (yes they lost Reiff to injury but Awuzie, Hendrickson and Apple have been very good for them). 2. They hit on their top draft picks. (Chase, Carman, Ossai...and I'm going to throw in McPherson for good measure) Apart from staying healthy thats it right there. no more that needs to be said. Hendrickson 16 gms.............. Lawson.. ZERO gms Apple 16 gms.............. Awuzie 14 gms........... Joyner. ZERO gms..... Maye 6 gms Chase 17 gms............... Higgins 14 gms.........Moore 11 gms.........Davis 9 gms. Mixon 16 gms............MC1 14 gms Jarred Davis 9 gms.... JD might have hit on his FAs too if they all didnt get hurt . thats are biggest need. to fix that otherwise it doesnt matter who we draft or sign 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownJet Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 How could the Jets improve? Learn to win at least 3 games in the damn AFCE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 First thing they did was say "Do NOT resign of Carl Lawson! Dude is going to blow out his achilles or something, let someone else pay him top dollar to stay in shape." and the rest fell into place... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I am not a neutral Zach observer but if you did not notice the leaps and bounds by which he not only improved but calmed down as the season neared its end coupled with him losing every playmaker he had than you are just not seeing past the bias. I see no reason not to think Zach will take a huge leap in 2022. Leaps and bounds? He was awful I the 2nd half of the season. Downright awful. Yes, he was even more awful the first half of the season, but let’s calm down on the leaps and bounds nonsense.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, doitny said: thats it right there. no more that needs to be said. Hendrickson 16 gms.............. Lawson.. ZERO gms Apple 16 gms.............. Awuzie 14 gms........... Joyner. ZERO gms..... Maye 6 gms Chase 17 gms............... Higgins 14 gms.........Moore 11 gms.........Davis 9 gms. Mixon 16 gms............MC1 14 gms Jarred Davis 9 gms.... JD might have hit on his FAs too if they all didnt get hurt . thats are biggest need. to fix that otherwise it doesnt matter who we draft or sign And Eli ******* Apple saving the game multiple times yesterday??? He sucked so badly for the giants it was fun to watch, then the saints. I felt bad because I wanted to draft him out of Ohio State back when, but now he goes to Cincy and is good, finally?? This is getting a bit karmic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, johnnysd said: I am not a neutral Zach observer but if you did not notice the leaps and bounds by which he not only improved but calmed down as the season neared its end coupled with him losing every playmaker he had than you are just not seeing past the bias. I see no reason not to think Zach will take a huge leap in 2022. Like you I wrote I am pro-Zach, pro-believing the likely improvement in year two... Leap or a huge leap... it's semantics until the year ahead plays out. We both believe, we both agree on a leaping Zach Wilson in year two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, Snell41 said: Leaps and bounds? He was awful I the 2nd half of the season. Downright awful. Yes, he was even more awful the first half of the season, but let’s calm down on the leaps and bounds nonsense. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Whatever dude, I might be biased in favor of Zach a bit but your hatred is just irrational and you continuously say things that are flat out untrue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, JetPotato said: Have to hope for the Josh Allen path Just heard Tanny on Bart and Hahn about Josh Allen, said a QB has only so many hits in him. Sure he's big and strong but so was Cam until the hits started to mount, he hurt his shoulder and was never really the same. Allen is playing with fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Just heard Tanny on Bart and Hahn about Josh Allen, said a QB has only so many hits in him. Sure he's big and strong but so was Cam until the hits started to mount, he hurt his shoulder and was never really the same. Allen is playing with fire. So? For a decade the Jets have been playing with crayons at QB. I'd take fire in a heartbeat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, johnnysd said: I am not a neutral Zach observer but if you did not notice the leaps and bounds by which he not only improved but calmed down as the season neared its end coupled with him losing every playmaker he had than you are just not seeing past the bias. I see no reason not to think Zach will take a huge leap in 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, johnnysd said: I am not a neutral Zach observer but if you did not notice the leaps and bounds by which he not only improved but calmed down as the season neared its end coupled with him losing every playmaker he had than you are just not seeing past the bias. I see no reason not to think Zach will take a huge leap in 2022. yea, but, Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswinbaby! Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Very simple math... Elite QB = eventual SB appearance (Joe Burrow)... Mediocre QB = Not So Much (Jimmy Garopolo)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, jetswinbaby! said: Very simple math... Elite QB = eventual SB appearance (Joe Burrow)... Mediocre QB = Not So Much (Jimmy Garopolo)... The 49ers and Garappolo went to the SB 2 seasons ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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