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17 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

How about every single situation is different in the nfl and it’s almost impossible to compare team to team, and stupid to do so. 

Agree with this - Burrow is the first QB in history to be picked #1 and make the Superbowl within 2 years. If you treat that as a comparative, where do you stop? The only QB to win 7 Superbowls was a 6th round pick, so let's just pick 6th round QBs till the same happens for us?

As fans we seem to want to find the elusive "blueprint to success" so we can insist our team should copy it. But the "blueprint" is different every year. Moreover, winning teams don't copy the blueprint - they write their own.

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1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

That said, in broad terms, I don't know how any Jets fan can't be somewhat inspired by the fact that the Bengals are in the Super Bowl. They're one of a very small handful of teams (Lions, Browns, etc.) who have been significantly further away from sniffing the Super Bowl that we have been. There's definitely a bit of "if they can do, why not us?" in the air.

It’s true. I felt the same way when the Bengals made it to the big game in ‘81 and ‘88, too. 

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53 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

And Burrows arm and athleticism are nowhere near Zach Wilson.  They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

And yet Wilson can't (and most likely never will) approach Burrow's play as a QB. Maybe you overrate the ability to make "off platform" throws and how much that actually influences winning games. 

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51 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Burrow was the alpha in his rookie year though.  He came into the league that way.  

Burrow also came off arguably the greatest season for a quarterback in college football history. Wilson came off a season impacted by COVID where he played the Mountain West Conference. Those 2 are not in the same galaxy as prospects. 

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9 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

 

I posted this in another thread, but it deserves its own thread.  This narrative that the Jets rebuild is taking too long because the Bengals made the SB this season is just misplaced. This narrative  doesn't work with the Bengals as an example. The Bengals don't have a "GM."  The owner, Mike Brown, is the GM. He has been the owner and GM since 1991 - 31 years. So this is not a 2-year rebuild.  Brown has been rebuilding for 31 years.    Brown has been criticized for decades for just about everything, but mainly for his refusal to hire a GM and for being cheap (the Bengals have one of the smallest and lowest budget scouting departments in the NFL).   Should JD get 31 years too?  

In those 31 years, the Bengals did not win a single solitary playoff game until this season.  They had not played in a playoff game since 2015.  Zach Taylor, the head coach, was 6-25-1 in his first two seasons.  Saleh is likely to win more games by the end of September 2022.  

The  only thing that happened two years ago that was new was drafting Burrow with the #1 pick after stinking it up with a new coaching staff - but the same ole front office - in 2018.

So the GM has been there for 31 years. The HC has been there for 3 years.  In fact, there is nothing similar between the Jets rebuild and the Bengals rebuild at all.  Not. One Thing.   Except the Bengals were smart enough to actually get the first pick when they stunk in 2019 and the Jets won two - count em- meaningless late season games in 2020 and lost out on that #1 pick.  This isn't year 2 of anything for the Bengals except the QB, for whatever that means.  

It's not the same because the Bengals picked well, and the Jets don't. 

And because Joe Burrow is 1000 times better than Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold or Geno Smith.

The rest is irrelevancy and excuse making.

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8 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Burrows cocky, im the man attitude is cute now for the loveable loser Cincy Bengals.  This kid has an aaron rodgers like fall from grace coming in the next few years when his mouth and attitude are going to get him in a bunch of trouble.

This is like when you said Stafford is so bad the Rams wouldn’t even make the playoffs.

What fall from grace? I’m sure 90% of teams in the league would love to have Rodgers as their QB next year despite his age. He’s tracking for a second consecutive MVP this year.

Joe B has proven me completely wrong. Hated him during predraft. Now I wish he were our QB. 

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6 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

So, “comparator” is a word.

 

I looked it up. 

Who thought on a Jet fan board we’d be discussing electronic voltage currents, outputs and digital signal indicators. 

Yeah, I had to look it up too. 🙁

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This idea that the NFL draft is some great mystery where only scouts who are willing to go to the swamps of Louisiana or the Mountains of Alaska to discover some talent that nobody else knows about are long gone.    

NFL draft boards are almost identical with a few tweeks for need and value based on position.  The draft is no different than the stock market.  The teams that win aren't buying individual picks.  They are buying a market of picks based on where they are slotted and how they value the positions against assetts they already own. 

The plan of ever GM in the NFL is virtually identical and only varies based on their roster needs and when they actually pick.  

Cincinati took the consensus No. 1 pick in Joe Burrow because they needed a QB and in the year that they had that pick a very good one was available.  Had they had an elite NFL QB they would have traded out.  A brilliant GM or a dopey owner make the same pick.  

The likelyhood that Joe Douglas is a better drafter than the mean average of NFL GM's is insanely optimistic.  He's just as likely to be below the mean for the next 5 years as above the mean.  NFL GM's are no longer priveledged with information that's not available to everyone.  

We have a horrible roster.  When you have below average NFL players and stink you either have a low salary cap or will have a low salary cap.  When you stink you get to draft closer to the top of each round.   That's not a plan by any GM.  That's the way a league of owners who are business partners set up competitive balance to maximize their profits. 

The NFL has a plan.  Teams that stink and have a lot of draft capital and cap space will balance there lack of interest in a crappy team during the season with more interest in the off season.

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2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

And Burrows arm and athleticism are nowhere near Zach Wilson.  They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

He has it all over Zach where it counts.  Between the ears.  

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1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Burrows cocky, im the man attitude is cute now for the loveable loser Cincy Bengals.  This kid has an aaron rodgers like fall from grace coming in the next few years when his mouth and attitude are going to get him in a bunch of trouble.

Lovable loser Cincinnati  Bengals?

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1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Burrows cocky, im the man attitude is cute now for the loveable loser Cincy Bengals.  This kid has an aaron rodgers like fall from grace coming in the next few years when his mouth and attitude are going to get him in a bunch of trouble.

I think you just lost any credibility  you had with this one.

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not to rain on the bungles too much, it should be pointed out that they had a 4-11-1 record in 2020 and 2-14 in 2019.  even this past season they achieved a 10-7 record.  we're not really taking a dynastic juggernaut here.  oh they should be pleased at reaching the superbowl but it's more like a wild card team that gets hots at the right time.

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True. They have a patient owner and very good coaching. 
 

thr Jets bizarre plan of starting off with a bunch of Salehs friends with no coordinator experience with a rookie QB with a jag backup QB and playing rookies for the sake of it rather than on merit was never going to work. 
 

the bengals had top picks the good years. The jets typically did not. 
 

so far JD has picked 11, 2 and 14 and has a good LG to show for it. 
 

the jets missed the window passing on Watson and Mahomes for Darnold (don’t make me bump the breer article thread again) and then trading 3 2s to get him.  
 

the AFC is loaded with young QBs. We’re fighting for a wild card road game after winning a tie breaker for the next 10 years. 

The jets should be where the Bills are   The bengals are not the correct comparison, they caught lightning in a bottle 

 

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1 hour ago, Larz said:

True. They have a patient owner and very good coaching. 
 

thr Jets bizarre plan of starting off with a bunch of Salehs friends with no coordinator experience with a rookie QB with a jag backup QB and playing rookies for the sake of it rather than on merit was never going to work. 
 

the bengals had top picks the good years. The jets typically did not. 
 

so far JD has picked 11, 2 and 14 and has a good LG to show for it. 
 

the jets missed the window passing on Watson and Mahomes for Darnold (don’t make me bump the breer article thread again) and then trading 3 2s to get him.  
 

the AFC is loaded with young QBs. We’re fighting for a wild card road game after winning a tie breaker for the next 10 years. 

The jets should be where the Bills are   The bengals are not the correct comparison, they caught lightning in a bottle 

 

I think it's time to stop with the "missing on Watson" talk.  Watson is now a nightmare.  It has the Texans in limbo and that appears likely to continue into next season as well.  He can't take the field and he is not tradeable.  How screwed would the Jets be now with him at QB?  

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13 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Not exactly true. However he got there he has shown that if you draft a QB give him weapons. Lots of them. Elite first rounders.

Jamar Chase - 1st Rd Pick

Tee Higgins - 2d Rd Pick

Tyler Boyd - 2d Rd Pick

Joe Mixon - 2d Rd Pick

CJ Uzomah - 5th Rd Pick

 

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11 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Jamar Chase - 1st Rd Pick

Tee Higgins - 2d Rd Pick

Tyler Boyd - 2d Rd Pick

Joe Mixon - 2d Rd Pick

CJ Uzomah - 5th Rd Pick

 

So it turns out it's all elite 2nd rounders

Maybe this will be a good draft

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14 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

 

I posted this in another thread, but it deserves its own thread.  This narrative that the Jets rebuild is taking too long because the Bengals made the SB this season is just misplaced. This narrative  doesn't work with the Bengals as an example. The Bengals don't have a "GM."  The owner, Mike Brown, is the GM. He has been the owner and GM since 1991 - 31 years. So this is not a 2-year rebuild.  Brown has been rebuilding for 31 years.    Brown has been criticized for decades for just about everything, but mainly for his refusal to hire a GM and for being cheap (the Bengals have one of the smallest and lowest budget scouting departments in the NFL).   Should JD get 31 years too?  

In those 31 years, the Bengals did not win a single solitary playoff game until this season.  They had not played in a playoff game since 2015.  Zach Taylor, the head coach, was 6-25-1 in his first two seasons.  Saleh is likely to win more games by the end of September 2022.  

The  only thing that happened two years ago that was new was drafting Burrow with the #1 pick after stinking it up with a new coaching staff - but the same ole front office - in 2018.

So the GM has been there for 31 years. The HC has been there for 3 years.  In fact, there is nothing similar between the Jets rebuild and the Bengals rebuild at all.  Not. One Thing.   Except the Bengals were smart enough to actually get the first pick when they stunk in 2019 and the Jets won two - count em- meaningless late season games in 2020 and lost out on that #1 pick.  This isn't year 2 of anything for the Bengals except the QB, for whatever that means.  

Of course its not the same as the Jets rebuild the Bengals actually have a QB

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5 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Burrows cocky, im the man attitude is cute now for the loveable loser Cincy Bengals.  This kid has an aaron rodgers like fall from grace coming in the next few years when his mouth and attitude are going to get him in a bunch of trouble.

First of all he's not cocky at all not in the least and secondly he's in the god damn SB and Zach Wilson is still in diapers if you want to compare

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