Stephen Ross offered Brian Flores $100,000 for each game he lost/ Flores also suing Giants for racism

[slimjasi]

14 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

They wanted to tank in 2019.

For sure.

Remember that, according to Gase, he was fired because Ross wanted to “rebuild” and he wanted to compete - so the owner was clearly ok losing games in 2019. 
 

I believe Flores 100% about Ross’s offer  

[Beerfish]

41 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

I dont find that odd at all.
 

These guys have all worked together in the past. 

If the 49ers were hiring a hc, you think that there would be no chance saleh would know who was in the lead if he was good friends with the gm?

Like they might have played golf the week before. Their wives could be great friendS.

The 49ers have nothing to lose if Saleh knew the situation in confidence.

Ill bet mara and belly exchange memes via text for fun daily…maybe even porn

Not before there was an announcement and all the ts and its were looked at.  I find it rather mind boggling you are this intimate with a rival gm.  I find it astounding and stupid.  And no i do not think saleh would be told anything before hand.

[TuscanyTile2]

Not sure if this is relevant in any way to this thread but how did Josh McDaniels get another HC job after walking out on the Colts after accepting the job?!

[slimjasi]

Just now, oatmeal said:

 

a team tanking for draft picks = fixing games, period.

Incorrect - that’s not what people are referring to when they talk about the league “fixing games” and that certainly wasn’t what you were referring to in that thread. 

[slimjasi]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

Not sure if this is relevant in any way to this thread but how did Josh McDaniels get another HC job after walking out on the Colts after accepting the job?!

I think a lot of people believe in his potential as a coach, but that was such a dick move. I agree 

[BallinPB]

7 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Wow.

I don't think so because I don't think he would hurt Flores intentionally. But this is Belichick so who knows.

Belicheck probably didn’t think Flores would go full scorched earth and try to sue everyone also.  

[T0mShane]

This is so great. I ******* love the NFL. Something for literally everybody. 

[BallinPB]

5 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

For sure.

Remember that, according to Gase, he was fired because Ross wanted to “rebuild” and he wanted to compete - so the owner was clearly ok losing games in 2019. 
 

I believe Flores 100% about Ross’s offer  

Believing someone at face value with no proof making all of the allegations Flores is making is generally not smart.  What you are saying is all circumstantial and speculative.  

[slimjasi]

29 minutes ago, BallinPB said:

Two things.  I find it hard to believe that BB sent all those texts to Flores by accident.  
 

I also find it hard to believe he sent all of those texts on purpose.

Confusing.  

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we are talking about 4 texts in total, right? And the last one is him apologizing, so really only 3? 

[RutgersJetFan]

28 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Folks.  LISTEN UP.

MIA does not HAVE it's own pick this year.  PHI does.  MIA has SF's pick. 

So tanking would have accomplished absolutely nothing for them.  

That is all.

oh wow you cracked the case

[BallinPB]

The fact that the law firm rushed the complaint to put it out on the first day of black history month also seems a bit like a tacky PR move also.  

[slimjasi]

Just now, BallinPB said:

Believing someone at face value with no proof making all of the allegations Flores is making is generally not smart.  What you are saying is all circumstantial and speculative.  

Agreed. I think going scorched earth was a terrible move.

The only way it wasn’t a huge mistake is if he has a smoking gun - which I doubt, but I would love to see

[jetstream23]

30 minutes ago, varjet said:

It is interesting that Flores brought this action before all of the vacancies were filled.  He must have seen enough.  There are still plenty of openings left.

Yes, some of the hiring were curious over someone like Flores who appeared to be qualified and got initial interest.  A lawsuit like this does not get drafted overnight.  There must have been word out that Flores was looking to cause trouble. 

Flores is alleging racism in hiring.  I don’t understand what alleging the $100K/QB tapering has to do with it. And then talking about how Elway was hungover is also just mean spirited and unnecessary.  

I think in reality owners realized that Flores was a bit crazy and would not be a good HC hire.   The NFL needs more black HCs.  It will come with time.  But by bringing this suit and not continuing to coach, as a coordinator if necessary, Flores will likely not be a HC again.  that is a shame.  

That's the real challenge, and there's a lot to unpack here.  Ross hired him in Miami, so I don't think the idea of racial discrimination in hiring will work with Miami.  To me, you essentially have a whistle blower type lawsuit with Miami.  Flores should be saying, "I was asked to essentially cheat the game of football, to cheat our players and our fans.  I was offered $100K to lose games on purpose.  I was pressured to illegally tamper with a player under contract to another team.  Essentially, my boss, one of the 32 owners in the NFL was trying to corrupt me and force me to do things that go against the spirit of fair competition upon which I've coached my entire career.  When I refused I got fired after a winning season."  THAT should be the suit against the Dolphins and, I guess as Ross is a league owner, the NFL.

The racism part is tough to hear because we all know that some of this exists in the league and in our world.  We can hope it's less today than yesterday.  We can hope it's less tomorrow than today... but it's absolutely there.  I'm just hoping that this lawsuit was made for valid reasons and has good evidence, because if it doesn't then it will appear like a guy with an axe to grind against a former boss suggesting it was racism at play and not the fact that Ross is just a corrupt loser.  And even worse, it might harm those who truly have strong, valid cases of being denied opportunities because of their race.  My opinion is that Flores got a raw deal in Miami, he's the first guy since 2003 to have back-to-back winning seasons with the Dolphins.  IMO he shouldn't have been fired (simply based on what I know).  And he should sue if his boss fired him because Flores essentially wouldn't break league rules.  Like I said, almost a whistle-blower lawsuit.  But the fact that the Giants wanted an offensive-minded HC who turned around another young QB in Josh Allen after Allen had a rough start in the NFL, seems very logical to me.  They need someone to resuscitate Daniel Jones.  Obviously I have no idea but I don't get the sense that racism was behind the Giants decision.  Might they have goofed the Rooney rule in terms of timing and in-person interviews, we'll see.  But I'm not sure that means it was "racism."

 

[BallinPB]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we are talking about 4 texts in total, right? And the last one is him apologizing, so really only 3? 

Yes.  Maybe bad wording to say all of those but I’m sure Belicheck has other Brian’s in his phone.  A man like him has 1000’s of contacts so I’m sure he has his last name attached.  You just happen to tell me he texted Brian Flores the man interviewing for the same job by accident?  Of course it’s possible but I just find it hard to believe.  

[slimjasi]

Just now, BallinPB said:

Yes.  Maybe bad wording to say all of those but I’m sure Belicheck has other Brian’s in his phone.  A man like him has 1000’s of contacts so I’m sure he has his last name attached.  You just happen to tell me he texted Brian Flores the man interviewing for the same job by accident?  Of course it’s possible but I just find it hard to believe.  

Eh, he’s a 70 year old with an IPhone. Things happen. 
 

Anything is possible, but I don’t see the great motivation on Beli’s part. 

[BallinPB]

Just now, slimjasi said:

Eh, he’s a 70 year old with an IPhone. Things happen. 
 

Anything is possible, but I don’t see the great motivation on Beli’s part. 

I don’t see any motivation on Beli’s part unless he knew the extent of dissatisfaction with the hiring process and Miami that Flores was feeling.  Thus Beli in a sinister way decided to shake things up and **** with Flores in a way to appear “accidental”.   Let the conspiracy theories begin.  

[jetstream23]

40 minutes ago, varjet said:

The Dolphins still could have ended up with Herbert after a bad tank.  

Going into the season it was Tua, and not Burrow, who was thought to be the top QB.  

This is bad for the NFL, but not hiring guys like Leftwich, Flores, Bowles, Bienemy so you can hire Hackett, McDaniels and Eberflus was going to push people over the edge. 

Bowles and Flores actually won 10 games in the NFL.  Leftwich and Bienemy won Super Bowls.  

I agree with most of this, but not Bienemy.  There's a lot of under-the-surface stuff about him that most people in the league seem to know but that doesn't come out in the media IMO.  It's not all about his Colorado days, the house fire, the DUI, etc.  But I do think there's a very real and legitimate concern about Eric Bienemy as the face of a franchise, as the guy at the podium every week.  This is admittedly somewhat of a guess, but it's an educated one.  It's also based on the sheer number of interviews he's had and the length of time he's been talked about as a HC candidate.  Teams continue to decline hiring him.  The other guys you mentioned, 100%.  I think all of Flores, Bowles and Leftwich can and probably should be NFL coaches.  And, two of them have been.  I think Bowles will again.  And before the lawsuit, I would guess that Flores would be an NFL HC again as well.  Perhaps not this year, but we've all seen what a year or two away does for guys.  They come back as better candidates who are in demand, especially if you were fired by a lunatic like Ross after going 10-6 and then 9-8.

[Paradis]

This League is a circus. 

[Hal N of Provo]

I’m sad for Flores that he felt this was the move.   He seemed to be a hot commodity, but nobody in the NFL should hire him now.  
 

Airing dirty laundry has never been something I’ve considered doing and I wouldn’t want to work with someone who had.  The tanking discussion going public is the end to his career.  

[jetstream23]

21 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Not sure if this is relevant in any way to this thread but how did Josh McDaniels get another HC job after walking out on the Colts after accepting the job?!

He made Mac Jones look competent last year.

But I agree, McDaniels has always seemed like a douche.

In that regard, maybe he's perfect for Vegas?

[playtowinthegame]

Pats should fire their sucky defensive coordinator and bring back Brian Flores. 

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

I’m sad for Flores that he felt this was the move.   He seemed to be a hot commodity, but nobody in the NFL should hire him now.  

That’s my issue. If he just sat out a year, he probably would have been a hot name next offseason. 

You only make this move if you are willing to not coach again in the NFL. 

Personally, I always advise against dying for the cause. Martyrdom is fun for the rest of us, but you are more useful to your cause if you are alive! 

[Hal N of Provo]

Just now, slimjasi said:

That’s my issue. If he just sat out a year, he probably would have been a hot name next offseason. 

You only make this move if you are willing to not coach again in the NFL. 

Personally, I always advise against dying for the cause. Martyrdom is fun for the rest of us, but you are more useful to your cause if you are alive! 

Exactly!  
 

It feels like an emotional response a mentor should teach you to never consider.   Like one of the first things they should ever teach is how to go out when it’s time to move on lol.  

If he cooled down properly he probably could have appreciated the opportunity for career growth.  If he went out with class and they wouldn’t have leaked stuff on him.  
 

He’s in a CEO job. The rules are different than for most roles.   It’s part of the reason the top jobs pay so well.  “I think we can find someone better” is a totally valid reason to get fired for a CEO.  

[jetstream23]

Wait.

Was it really Brady heading to the yacht for the illegal meeting with a division rival while he was under contract?

Nobody is talking about that part.... or is it not really an issue because it's a player whereas the teams get in trouble for the tampering?

In any case, Brady going to Miami for a clandestine meeting while under contract with Belichick?  Spicy!

And, isn't Brady supposed to go back to NE to sign a one-day contract with the Pats so he can retire as a Patriot? lol  Man, I hope there are cameras there when he walks into the building and sees Belichick.

 

[BallinPB]

The fact that the NFL came with a statement saying the claims he’s making is “without merit” tells me a lot.  Usually they say something like “we will investigate the matter” or “ we take these claims very seriously”.

I think Flores received some bad legal advice.  Does anyone know anything about the law firm representing him.  

[Origen]

2 hours ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Are you? Human resources and how hiring processes work aren't a mystery.  My bad, thought it was a forum.

/woosh

[Hael]

12 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Wait.

Was it really Brady heading to the yacht for the illegal meeting with a division rival while he was under contract?

Nobody is talking about that part.... or is it not really an issue because it's a player whereas the teams get in trouble for the tampering?

I think its more the idea that Ross knew where Brady was going to be, and Ross wanted Flores to ‘appear’ out of the blue, pretend it was a coincidence and get his tampering on.  Flores wanted no part of that (it reflects badly on him if they get caught or if Brady turns him in).

This part I 100% buy.  Teams do it all the time, and its pretty snakey.  (Oops, we just so happen to be eating at the same Restaurant).

[RutgersJetFan]

42 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Eh, he’s a 70 year old with an IPhone. Things happen. 

This is the correct answer. Anyone ever text with someone in their 70’s? It’s brutal. My mom’s new thing is starting up new group chats for everyone with obscure family members that I’ve met like twice in my life. Then she tries to send Instagram memes to everyone through the text chat. So that’s my life this week. Belichick doesn’t even know how to wash a shirt and we’re expecting him to get his Contacts list correct? No chance. 

[BallinPB]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

This is the correct answer. Anyone ever text with someone in their 70’s? It’s brutal. My mom’s new thing is starting up new group chats for everyone with obscure family members that I’ve met like twice in my life. Then she tries to send Instagram memes to everyone through the text chat. So that’s my life this week. Belichick doesn’t even know how to wash a shirt and we’re expecting him to get his Contacts list correct? No chance. 

I’m just saying.  He has to have at least 7 Brian’s in his phone.  I have 3 and I don’t have nearly the amount of contacts that Bill has.  He just so happens to text Flores whos competing with Daboll?  My point is not so far fetched to think it was on purpose.  Granted it’s more likely to be an accident but I wouldn’t put it past Beli to just be a dick.

In the unlikely event he happened to do it on purpose I’m also sure he didn’t realize Flores was about to unleash a bomb on the entire league.  

[BallinPB]

Might be a blessing this story came out now rather than after super bowl though.  In a week everyone will be talking about super bowl again.  Hopefully a couple more black head coaches will get hired and this will take a back seat I believe.  

[Hex]

1 hour ago, Paradis said:

This League is a circus. 

And somehow the Jets aren't the main attraction anymore

They're just that offside we cat thing that everybody forgot about

[Vudu]

Speak for yourself and don’t speak for all black people please.  I have my own thoughts about this subject which I’m not going to share but don’t want to be categorized based off the color of my skin.   Thanks.  

I am speaking for myself… but if you as a black person don’t believe institutional racism exists you’re not one of the black folk Malcolm would’ve ****ed with.
Everybody can’t come ??‍♀️

[RutgersJetFan]

26 minutes ago, BallinPB said:

I’m just saying.  He has to have at least 7 Brian’s in his phone.  

How did you come to this number 

[choon328]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

Yea, I think Flores will regret burning the bridges to his NFL coaching career. Unless he has a smoking gun we don’t know about (color me skeptical), the best he’ll do is get a nice settlement.
 

Then what? There were already a lot of reports out of Miami that he was hard to get along with and that people didn’t like him. You definitely have to wonder if this guy just has a massive chip on his shoulder. 

You really should read the actual report. He alleges that the Dolphins ran a smear campaign about him through the media bc he would not tank and would not tamper with Brady. So if an organization is painting you in that light and it's affecting your career, you're only recourse is to sue.

[Hael]

32 minutes ago, BallinPB said:

I’m just saying.  He has to have at least 7 Brian’s in his phone.  I have 3 and I don’t have nearly the amount of contacts that Bill has.  He just so happens to text Flores whos competing with Daboll?  My point is not so far fetched to think it was on purpose.  Granted it’s more likely to be an accident but I wouldn’t put it past Beli to just be a dick.

In the unlikely event he happened to do it on purpose I’m also sure he didn’t realize Flores was about to unleash a bomb on the entire league.  

I dont think BB really cares about the league that much, its been said he is quite close with Flores and none of this really reflects poorly on him.  It has the side benefit of likely costing draft picks to a division rival as well.

I wouldnt be surprised if he ok’d the release of the transcript.