Stephen Ross offered Brian Flores $100,000 for each game he lost/ Flores also suing Giants for racism

[choon328]

56 minutes ago, BallinPB said:

The fact that the NFL came with a statement saying the claims he’s making is “without merit” tells me a lot.  Usually they say something like “we will investigate the matter” or “ we take these claims very seriously”.

I think Flores received some bad legal advice.  Does anyone know anything about the law firm representing him.  

The NFL does not want to investigate these claims bc they don't want to go down the rabbit hole of owners basically trying to fix games and also open up the hiring processes for all 32 teams. The Nfl just began partnerships will casinos and sportsbooks, this is not a good look for them.  They will hope it gets swept under the rug. Unfortunately for them, unlike the Kaepernick situation, the players have actually come to Brian Flores's defense. If the players start demanding an investigation into both they will have a real problem. 

Also, the federal government will open an investigation into the racism and possible fixing of games and that will happen pretty fast. 

[jvill 51]

46 minutes ago, BallinPB said:

The fact that the NFL came with a statement saying the claims he’s making is “without merit” tells me a lot.  Usually they say something like “we will investigate the matter” or “ we take these claims very seriously”.

I think Flores received some bad legal advice.  Does anyone know anything about the law firm representing him.  

I’ve got the exact opposite view here. There’s simply no way the NFL could have actually determined that there’s no merit to the allegations mere hours after the lawsuit was filed. To me it’s pretty clear that they don’t want to know. A. The public will expect to see the results of any investigation and more importantly B. Anything they find will be discoverable if this lawsuit survives to the discovery phase, so there won’t be any sweeping this under the rug like they did with their trove of emails from the Snyder “investigation”.

As for the law firm I saw mention that they’re among the best in the business at these types of cases, but there’s some sloppiness/grandstanding in the complaint that doesn’t come off well IMO.

 

 

[doitny]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

That’s my issue. If he just sat out a year, he probably would have been a hot name next offseason. 

You only make this move if you are willing to not coach again in the NFL. 

Personally, I always advise against dying for the cause. Martyrdom is fun for the rest of us, but you are more useful to your cause if you are alive! 

he will never be in the NFL again, but he will be just fine. somebody will make sure he lands on his feet for taking one for the cause. probably make more money then in the NFL. just look at Kap, he making out just fine. 

though i could see him go to college. 

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, Hex said:

And somehow the Jets aren't the main attraction anymore

They're just that offside we cat thing that everybody forgot about

For real man. Last few years you have; 20+ masseuses accusing a top 5 QB, Ruggs exploding ppl, Gruden getting ran out of…Vegas, ex-coaches suing everyone, owners paying coaches to dive, everything WFT, Urban Meyer checking the oil, Antonio Brown ran out mid game, Kraft just got caught at the tug, everything Aaron Rodgers… 

A circus  

 

[DoubleDecker]

[mrcoops]

$100,000 per loss?  Just think how much money Flores could have made as head coach of the Jets.

[Dunnie]

... was going to get into this .. but these issues are impossible to discuss these days.

[redlichtie]

12 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Holy sh*t.  Is this real?

Belichick thought he was talking to Daboll????

I’m struggling to believe those texts are real!

[slimjasi]

3 hours ago, choon328 said:

You really should read the actual report. He alleges that the Dolphins ran a smear campaign about him through the media bc he would not tank and would not tamper with Brady. So if an organization is painting you in that light and it's affecting your career, you're only recourse is to sue.

I’ve read everything.

my point is that the quickest path towards being the head coach again was sitting out a year. He has a very good coaching resume and, despite this alleged “smear campaign,” is portrayed as an excellent coach by the media 

[Dunnie]

I’ve read everything.
my point is that the quickest path towards being the head coach again was sitting out a year. He has a very good coaching resume and, despite this alleged “smear campaign,” is portrayed as an excellent coach by the media 

Was thinking this too ... now the Illuminati will create a narratve of him frequentling massage parlors to satisfy his scatalogical fetishes ... never to be heard from again.

Best course of action would have been to take the year off ... come back strong and dominate the clown owner in miami.

[Bruce Harper]

If these allegations are true about offering money to lose games, the Dolphins are going to lose multiple draft picks, pay millions in fines, but not before the owner is forced to sell the team.

Would have to have solid proof, though. The NFL is going to circle the wagons.


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[Bruce Harper]

Double post

[Bruce Harper]

Even if he is right, he will never get a head coaching job again.


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[Irish Jet]

I love how outraged people get on behalf of the 70+ year old white billionaire owners at the very notion that they may uphold some institutional racism. 

[Biggs]

In Ross’s defense.  By tank he didn’t mean lose.  He meant don’t cover.  

[Biggs]

1 hour ago, Bruce Harper said:

Even if he is right, he will never get a head coaching job again.


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You don’t think a few owners hate Ross enough to hire a good HC who didn’t go along with tanking and tampering?  I’m shocked and appalled. 

[Anthony Jet]

11 hours ago, JTJet said:

Question.

If Flores got the Giants job, does he say a word about 

A - The Broncos interview

B - The Ross accusation

?

Absolutely not 

[Anthony Jet]

10 hours ago, oatmeal said:

Papa Johns founder John Schnatter had minority’s in leadership too and he was exposed as a racist.
 

And he’s a list of a number of companies with minority employees (some in leadership positions) with racist CEOs: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/01/every-ceo-and-leader-that-stepped-down-since-black-lives-matter-protests-began/amp/

idk how the NYG having one black GM in its team history make it not a racist organization

Idk how the NYG having one black GM in its history makes it a racist organization 

[Copernicus]

13 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

Flores was a bad coach. The day he arrived he wanted to be known as a 'genius' and started playing games with players like blasting music at practice that he knew a player hated because they were having a tiff. Oh, and having a tiff with a player within the 1st week. He gave interviews about it and how he was 'trying to motivate' him. 

Never had anyone on staff that was any kind of threat to his authority when as a new coach he desperately needed some experience. 

Thin skinned dictator. 

Wow, had no idea. Interesting information. Thanks

[Dunnie]

I love how outraged people get on behalf of the 70+ year old white billionaire owners at the very notion that they may uphold some institutional racism. 

I think the race card is basically making people tired ... like american politics. Two sides seemingly diametrically opposed until the end if time.

[The Crusher]

7 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

How did you come to this number 

I guess you counted after reading that as well? I have three, but one is spelled Brain. Does  it still count? 

[Trotter]

Perception is a very dangerous word and it is associated with the Giants regarding head coach and quarterback. The perception (and I will state that I tend to believe it) is that the Giants will not hire an African American head coach or Quarterback s those positions are considered the face of the franchise.

This is not the first time this has come up and most recently surfaced with Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins.

When your org has that perception every situation even when it is not warranted (Haskins/Jones) is brought to light and questioned.

Who knows what the giants or other teams did regarding Flores outside of Miami and his interaction with the owner. I think it is fair to say that his claims of racism do hold some merit - maybe in these most recent cases or previous with other Roone Rule interviews.

However this all shakes out - it is a mess and one I don't think the NFL can just sweep away with money. If it has not happened yet, the politicians will be all over this and the circus begins.

That will be a shame because I do think and hope Brian Flores is trying to do the right thing by bringing this up.   

[More Cowbell]

15 hours ago, Maxman said:

Read this the texts from Belichick, oh wow!

Do you have a link Max?

[playtowinthegame]

7 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Do you have a link Max?

It's in the OP's first post. 

[Snell41]

Black men = 6% of the US population. That's 2 black HCs over 32 openings. When does the NFL stop being racist? 3 black HCs? 4?

Black men account for 6% of the entire population, including women and children. You do math like a politician.


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[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

16 hours ago, chirorob said:

So is he basically saying every time a team hires a non minority that team can get sued for racism?

You can't tell an owner who to hire . END OF STORY . Tough noogies .

[playtowinthegame]

Let's Go Flores!!!!!

Let's Go Flores!!!!!!

Let's Go Flores!!!!!!

 

[Jolot]

The real scandal here is the accusations of throwing games . Which is exactly why ESPN and the NFL will bury it . 

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

Irony: For the last 2+ years I've been told my profession is ripe with institutional racism and the NFL has thrown all sorts of money and pushing that message. At the end of the day, the truth comes out and remains what we've all known for ages - there is no greater example of institutional racism than the National Football League. Their whole system is based upon it. BB's text is another example of what anyone with common sense and a pulse have known for years - The Rooney Rule is both a sham and an affront to minority coaches. It's become nothing more than a box to check for these owners who clearly have zero intent of hiring a minority coach. The NFL should look in the mirror when it comes to their B.S. message of how they're fair, equitable and diverse. It's all a sham. LeBron nailed it when he described the NFL and its owners.

[Dunnie]

Irony: For the last 2+ years I've been told my profession is ripe with institutional racism and the NFL has thrown all sorts of money and pushing that message. At the end of the day, the truth comes out and remains what we've all known for ages - there is no greater example of institutional racism than the National Football League. Their whole system is based upon it. BB's text is another example of what anyone with common sense and a pulse have known for years - The Rooney Rule is both a sham and an affront to minority coaches. It's become nothing more than a box to check for these owners who clearly have zero intent of hiring a minority coach. The NFL should look in the mirror when it comes to their B.S. message of how they're fair, equitable and diverse. It's all a sham. LeBron nailed it when he described the NFL and its owners.

True but the league is employing 67% black players who are being paid well.

The only team with basically 50/50 split is Phili.

Perhaps the largest issue lies with ownership .. maybe we need to redistribute ownership to have more black people ... i also wonder if a black owned team would be likely to hire qualified white GMs and coaches ..

Its extremely disheartening that this is a very real issue .. but it is.

[BallinPB]

7 hours ago, DLJ said:

I am speaking for myself… but if you as a black person don’t believe institutional racism exists you’re not one of the black folk Malcolm would’ve ****ed with.
Everybody can’t come ??‍♀️

No I don't and I don't really care who Malcolm would've ****ed with.  That's a meaningless thing to say.  

[BallinPB]

7 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

How did you come to this number 

[BallinPB]

7 hours ago, jvill 51 said:

I’ve got the exact opposite view here. There’s simply no way the NFL could have actually determined that there’s no merit to the allegations mere hours after the lawsuit was filed. To me it’s pretty clear that they don’t want to know. A. The public will expect to see the results of any investigation and more importantly B. Anything they find will be discoverable if this lawsuit survives to the discovery phase, so there won’t be any sweeping this under the rug like they did with their trove of emails from the Snyder “investigation”.

As for the law firm I saw mention that they’re among the best in the business at these types of cases, but there’s some sloppiness/grandstanding in the complaint that doesn’t come off well IMO.

 

 

Any chance they had word this was coming beforehand and started looking into it?  I just don't think would dismiss it as without merit without having more information.  

I read through some of the complaint and was immediately put off by all the grandstanding in it.  

[oatmeal]

9 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Incorrect - that’s not what people are referring to when they talk about the league “fixing games” and that certainly wasn’t what you were referring to in that thread. 

More egg on your face ?????

“dA NfL aInT rIgGeD”

 

[BallinPB]

7 hours ago, choon328 said:

The NFL does not want to investigate these claims bc they don't want to go down the rabbit hole of owners basically trying to fix games and also open up the hiring processes for all 32 teams. The Nfl just began partnerships will casinos and sportsbooks, this is not a good look for them.  They will hope it gets swept under the rug. Unfortunately for them, unlike the Kaepernick situation, the players have actually come to Brian Flores's defense. If the players start demanding an investigation into both they will have a real problem. 

Also, the federal government will open an investigation into the racism and possible fixing of games and that will happen pretty fast. 

Didn't the players come to Kaeps defense?  I do feel with the sportsbooks they don't want to go down that rabbit hole but I guess we have to see what evidence Flores has if any.