AlexVanDyke Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I have a real problem with the ESPN narrative on all this. Stephen a basically accused the jets of racism for hiring gase a tetread. Help me understand why there is such a difference? Forget the fact that Johnson has hired Edwards and Bowles. But seriously how dishonest can this narrative be? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Joe Willie White Shoes Posted February 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2022 Because Gase's teams were getting worse year over year while Flores' teams were improving. The Jets, on the other hand, have a stellar record for minority HC hires compared to most of the NFL. Stephen A can stick it with that claim. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexVanDyke Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Because Gase's teams were getting worse year over year while Flores' teams were improving. The Jets, on the other hand, have a stellar record for minority HC hires compared to most of the NFL. Stephen A can stick it with that claim. Eh. 3 years is 3 years. Every case is different and every season has different circumstances. Record ia record and it’s a false narrative. rmember when Marty schottenheimer hitmlet go despite multiple elite seasons. Can you imagine if he were black? Can you imagine if jimmy h were black what the crap that would be saying? Remember the whole Justin fields narrative ? It’s unbelievable the lack of any really truth in this argument. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post doitny Posted February 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: I have a real problem with the ESPN narrative on all this. Stephen a basically accused the jets of racism for hiring gase a tetread. Help me understand why there is such a difference? Forget the fact that Johnson has hired Edwards and Bowles. But seriously how dishonest can this narrative be? that suit against the NFL should be against 31 teams. we hired 2 black HCs and a Muslim HC when most of the league never had a non-white HC, and Stephen A has the balls to call us racist? F@ck him 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: Eh. 3 years is 3 years. Every case is different and every season has different circumstances. Record ia record and it’s a false narrative. rmember when Marty schottenheimer hitmlet go despite multiple elite seasons. Can you imagine if he were black? Can you imagine if jimmy h were black what the crap that would be saying? Remember the whole Justin fields narrative ? It’s unbelievable the lack of any really truth in this argument. Tony Dungy was 54-42 in TB and made the play offs in 4 of his 6 seasons (incl. one NFCCG). He was fired and replaced by Chucky (of all people!) who won the SB with that team the year after. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KarlaftisFan Posted February 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2022 If you look at it most coaches fall into two categories: 1) College player who did not have the athleticism to play in the NFL and pursued a career in coaching. 2) Former NFL player who got into coaching after retiring. I think this is the category most black coaches fall into. Professional football coaches (college and pro) are part of an insulated community. It’s a modern day spoils system. The way to break into coaching is to have connections. It’s also why you see the same crappy coaches continue to re-emerge. “I scratched your back by giving your guy a job, now please give my guy a job” Look at the guys who are coaching in the Super Bowl: Sean McVay: grandfather was John McVay Zac Taylor: Brother is a coach and his father in law is Mike Sherman A lot of these guys knew early on they wanted to be coaches, and had the right connections to get them where they needed to go. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JetsFanatic Posted February 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2022 I haven’t listened to ESPN since the Flores allegations hit the news. They will not give you a fair take. WFAN is much better with this topic. BTW to call the Jets racist is beyond ignorance with their hiring record. Unfortunately the word “racist” has become too easy to throw around. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 The answer is that Gase wasn’t all that bad, but you’re lemmings who end up believing, to the letter, everything Manish Mehta wanted you to believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The answer is that Gase wasn’t all that bad, but you’re lemmings who end up believing, to the letter, everything Manish Mehta wanted you to believe. If this was actually a thread about the difference between Adam Gase and Brian Flores and not a thinly disguised, black people have it all while the white man suffers topic, I'd light this up with some hard-hitting Football content but I dont want to be a speed bump on JN's road to the righteous. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The answer is that Gase wasn’t all that bad, but you’re lemmings who end up believing, to the letter, everything Manish Mehta wanted you to believe. Gase was a sh*tshow inside a dumpster fire. He makes Rich Kotite look like Tom Landry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Gase was a sh*tshow inside a dumpster fire. He makes Rich Kotite look like Tom Landry. Gase in one season won almost twice as many games as Kotite did in two with an inferior roster. While I’m no fan of Gase, your comment is ridiculous. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.GANGGREEN28 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I wish ESPN narratives and the words Stephen A Smith were some of my real problems 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted February 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, JiFapono said: If this was actually a thread about the difference between Adam Gase and Brian Flores and not a thinly disguised, black people have it all while the white man suffers topic, I'd light this up with some hard-hitting Football content but I dont want to be a speed bump on JN's road to the righteous. I get all my football content from Breitbart. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: The answer is that Gase wasn’t all that bad, but you’re lemmings who end up believing, to the letter, everything Manish Mehta wanted you to believe. Perma-ban 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post docdhc Posted February 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: I have a real problem with the ESPN narrative on all this. Stephen a basically accused the jets of racism for hiring gase a tetread. Help me understand why there is such a difference? Forget the fact that Johnson has hired Edwards and Bowles. But seriously how dishonest can this narrative be? I don’t think they’re making Flores out to be Lombardi but he had success his last 2 years and didn’t deserve to be fired based on his win loss record. Gase got rehired right after being fired yet many black coaches don’t get a second chance as easily. There’s bias in hiring practices in the NFL and throughout our society and that I think is the point. I didn’t think Stephen A was accusing the Jets of overt racism, just pointing out the bias that persists in the league. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, JiFapono said: If this was actually a thread about the difference between Adam Gase and Brian Flores and not a thinly disguised, black people have it all while the white man suffers topic, I'd light this up with some hard-hitting Football content but I dont want to be a speed bump on JN's road to the righteous. I agree that Flores is a lot better than Gase. However, there's also a lot of "look at how righteous I am, based on what I wrote here" in your post, too. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 hours ago, KarlaftisFan said: If you look at it most coaches fall into two categories: 1) College player who did not have the athleticism to play in the NFL and pursued a career in coaching. 2) Former NFL player who got into coaching after retiring. I think this is the category most black coaches fall into. Professional football coaches (college and pro) are part of an insulated community. It’s a modern day spoils system. The way to break into coaching is to have connections. It’s also why you see the same crappy coaches continue to re-emerge. “I scratched your back by giving your guy a job, now please give my guy a job” Look at the guys who are coaching in the Super Bowl: Sean McVay: grandfather was John McVay Zac Taylor: Brother is a coach and his father in law is Mike Sherman A lot of these guys knew early on they wanted to be coaches, and had the right connections to get them where they needed to go. All true. And a lot of former players opt to go into media (also the ones mostly commenting on this). That lessens to pool right there. The coaching profession sucks. You have to start as a GA making no money and work your way up. Unless the NFL adopts the NBA model and just hires players off the bench to be the head coach, the pipeline is always going to be more limited. None of these points seem to be mentioned. Its the overarching- the NFL is bad because of X. Well, use your noodle and find out why. When there's ever a shortage in any profession, the pipeline is always the first thing to be addressed....the media wants no part of that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Stephen A is a corporate mouthpiece btw. He gets paid a fortune. He says what they tell him to say in as convincing a fashion as he can. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 hours ago, doitny said: that suit against the NFL should be against 31 teams. we hired 2 black HCs and a Muslim HC when most of the league never had a non-white HC, and Stephen A has the balls to call us racist? F@ck him IMO it's a character he's told to play for their scripted show to drive views and engagement - if that's not it than Stephen A is a complete buffoon because the Jets are so far ahead of the curve with this sh!t. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I agree that Flores is a lot better than Gase. However, there's also a lot of "look at how righteous I am, based on what I wrote here" in your post, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Because Gase's teams were getting worse year over year while Flores' teams were improving. The Jets, on the other hand, have a stellar record for minority HC hires compared to most of the NFL. Stephen A can stick it with that claim. And anyone can easily make the case that Flores was working with a better roster, better QB and receivers along with a much better defense. So really was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, JiFapono said: That's a funny GiFapono. But my comment is still spot-on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 hours ago, doitny said: that suit against the NFL should be against 31 teams. we hired 2 black HCs and a Muslim HC when most of the league never had a non-white HC, and Stephen A has the balls to call us racist? F@ck him That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Woody is not a great owner, but his hiring practices are far from racist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 This thread should not exist. Anything racially charged cannot be argued fairly. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, chirorob said: That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Woody is not a great owner, but his hiring practices are far from racist. In a fair world, Woody wouldn't be managing and hiring for a billion dollar football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Dude I have a health coach who comes in couple times a month and gives talks to our patients. Straight up showing this to him, look exactly like him and that whole hands on hip crooked smile thing is literally something he does. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: This thread should not exist. Anything racially charged cannot be argued fairly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I'm laughing like a madman on the train. People are staring at me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlaftisFan Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 50 minutes ago, Matt39 said: All true. And a lot of former players opt to go into media (also the ones mostly commenting on this). That lessens to pool right there. The coaching profession sucks. You have to start as a GA making no money and work your way up. Unless the NFL adopts the NBA model and just hires players off the bench to be the head coach, the pipeline is always going to be more limited. None of these points seem to be mentioned. Its the overarching- the NFL is bad because of X. Well, use your noodle and find out why. When there's ever a shortage in any profession, the pipeline is always the first thing to be addressed....the media wants no part of that. The coaching profession is actually incredibly lucrative if you get on the right track. However, early on I don’t think it’s a meritocracy as much as “who you know”. Obviously if you were a great player it helps, and I am sure guys do distinguish themselves early on, but I am not sure the path is linear. Ultimately I don’t think many people would get into coaching without having some connections to it. It’s kind of like being a Plummer. It helps if you know someone who can get you into the union. I do think being a professional player gives you the requisite experience to “jump the line” through a lot of the entry level stuff. However, at that point most guys made some $ and don’t need coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Nobody is claiming Flores to be the second coming of Lombardi gase failed twice and his offense was painful to watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, KarlaftisFan said: The coaching profession is actually incredibly lucrative if you get on the right track. However, early on I don’t think it’s a meritocracy as much as “who you know”. Obviously if you were a great player it helps, and I am sure guys do distinguish themselves early on, but I am not sure the path is linear. Ultimately I don’t think many people would get into coaching without having some connections to it. It’s kind of like being a Plummer. It helps if you know someone who can get you into the union. Needle in a haystack. If it's your passion, by all means...but eventually you need to pay the bills. The majority of college grads dont have the means to be GA's for 2 years. Mike Pettine, whose father was a HS coaching legend, went from HS coach to some bottom tier minimum wage film guy for the Ravens. The amount of luck and grinding that goes into it is more than what's being told. Look at Saleh's career arc. A GA at Central Michigan....the dude worked his way up. There's more to it than what ESPN is giving you. It's a joke tbh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Also, you watch ESPN and expect fair level headed discourse on the fact’s? thats like expecting the weather channel to cover 6” of snow in New England like it isn’t going to kill everyone lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 9 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: Help me understand 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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