Ja’Marr Chase choice made Bengals ‘more explosive’: Zac Taylor

[Claymation]

I believe they will address the WR position with the 10 the pick, Drake and Wilson would be my choice.

With their 4th pick, they address Edge or OL.

[LockeJET]

1 hour ago, KarlaftisFan said:

It’s not that it sucks. There are plenty of good OL and DL that the Jets need. At least the options look better than 2019 when it was Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver, and Josh Allen. 

The issue is that there is no Jamarr Chase, Devonta Smith, or Kyle Pitts available on offense which is probably what they want. 

Also there isn’t a lot of hype around these QBs which (much like 2019) makes trading out tough. 

Exactly my point on why it sucks. With two top 10 picks would be nice to have a deep blue chip type draft with QBs going high.  which would drop some real good position players. 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, sec101row23 said:

Chase was 100% the correct pick.  Sure their O-line needs some help, but you can’t fix every hole in one season.  The Bengals have almost $60M in cap space and a deep OT draft class to address the O-line.  Given the trajectory of the team and Joey B at QB, they are an attractive destination for free agents.  

I was just about to say, roster building doesnt end after one draft or one FA period.  Bengals opted to pass on OL for the most dynamic playmaker in the draft, maybe assuming, it would have been harder to find that type of WR vs. a starting T.  And I'm not sure you can disagree.  They have plenty of money to upgrade in FA/and or use a pick or 2 on OL.  With that D and those weapons, makes sense they would.

 

[PepPep]

[LockeJET]

If you put Chase in this coming draft he’s the number one overall pick. 

[UntouchableCrew]

24 minutes ago, doitny said:

why would it change anything. they still got to the SB. they could have easily said we have Higgins and Boyd and dont need another WR and picked Sewell and not make it there.

of course he will be running for his life, the Rams have Darnold.

Because the idea is to win it, not get there...? They're lucky they only ran into one playoff team with a legit DL and they gave up 9 sacks.

24 minutes ago, doitny said:

i dont think they needed a super guy like Chase. just adding another top flight WR was enough to gives defense headaches. now there's 3 really good WRs to deal with. nobody is staying up late at night to try to figure out how to get past an OL. 

 

I agree. I'd be interested in London, Burks or Wilson at 10.

[Embrace the Suck]

Too bad JB didn't have any time to find the wide open WR to win the SB...

[Rangers9]

You have to be a lot lucky to get a player like him esp a guy who is great his first year. While most first round Wrs turn out to be good it’s probably one of the easier positions to scout. There’s a good number of very productive receivers. But nobody knew this guy would be at this level. They didn’t know Jerry Rice would be the goat as a Wr either. So if we draft a Wr with either 4 or 10 we’ll get a very good player but unless lucky nobody as great as Chase. Btw put a guy like Chase on the Jets in 2022 and you’ll see a much better Zach. He didn’t have an impact player as his go-to guy on offense in ‘21 and boy could he have used one. 

[AlexVanDyke]

If we are thinking of trading bechton, could the Bengals be a taker?  Late 1st…would you do it?

[jetsons]

Ja’Marr Chase choice made Bengals ‘more explosive’: Zac Taylor

 

[jetstream23]

On 2/6/2022 at 8:36 AM, LockeJET said:

If you put Chase in this coming draft he’s the number one overall pick. 

100%

 

[ZachEY]

On 2/5/2022 at 7:54 PM, GreenFish said:

Many fans on this board would have gone with Sewell.

[GreenFish]

6 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

Joe Burrow threw for 4,600 yards, had 34 TDs, a 70% completion percentage and a PFF grade of 90+. Your option B doesn't reflect reality.

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, GreenFish said:

Joe Burrow threw for 4,600 yards, had 34 TDs, a 70% completion percentage and a PFF grade of 90+. Your option B doesn't reflect reality.

Yeah, but this picture was funny and is what happened on the last play and that's about all that matters to me.

[k-met57]

you could argue the best pick there was Slater....but i can see why they went Chase. I don't know that they even make the SB without Chase.

[FidelioJet]

18 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

you could argue the best pick there was Slater....but i can see why they went Chase. I don't know that they even make the SB without Chase.

They probably don't make the playoffs without Chase.

Legitimate playmakers are more valuable than OL.  It's not even really close IMO...

[GangGreened]

Stupid premise. They likely don’t make the playoffs without Chase

[Biggs]

A lot depends on who the QB is and what the design of the O is.  What makes Chase unique is his ability to break a D down with either a 5 yard pass or a 40 yard pass and turn it into a field position changing play.   Chase had tremendous value because of who he is and because of who Burrow is.  Burrow can deliver accurate passes quickly with pressure in his face.   It gets a little scarry when they run a lot of long developing passing plays and Burrow hangs in to make the throw.  

The Bengals have all the assetts they need to fix the OL in the off season.  Getting a player like Chase who is a matchup nightmare for every team in the league is rarely available.  If the Bengals had a QB who couldn't deliver accurate throws with pressure in his face they don't sniff the SB.  If they don't have a weapon who has to be accounted for and matched up with on every play they don't sniff a SB.  That said the Bengals need to protect Burrow.  He simply won't survive the gauntlett he's going to be subjected to going forward without better protection.  

One of the reasons Burrow got hit so much is because the Bengals are ahead of schedule in their rebuild.  They got arguably the two best players in the draft 2 years in a row.  How rare is it to have an elite QB in year 1.  Burrow before he got hurt was clearly elite.  How rare is it to draft a WR who in year 1 might be one of the top 2 or 3 weapons in the league?  

Before this season started you could make a pretty good argument that the best over all team in the league was the other Ohio team, the Browns.  They did the classic build the trenches and running game.  They didn't sniff the playoffs.  

The Jets are not dependent on building the OL.  We are dependent on Zach being elite and putting elite weapons around him.  Thank you Joe Douglas.  

[Dunnie]

A lot depends on who the QB is and what the design of the O is.  What makes Chase unique is his ability to break a D down with either a 5 yard pass or a 40 yard pass and turn it into a field position changing play.   Chase had tremendous value because of who he is and because of who Burrow is.  Burrow can deliver accurate passes quickly with pressure in his face.   It gets a little scarry when they run a lot of long developing passing plays and Burrow hangs in to make the throw.  
The Bengals have all the assetts they need to fix the OL in the off season.  Getting a player like Chase who is a matchup nightmare for every team in the league is rarely available.  If the Bengals had a QB who couldn't deliver accurate throws with pressure in his face they don't sniff the SB.  If they don't have a weapon who has to be accounted for and matched up with on every play they don't sniff a SB.  That said the Bengals need to protect Burrow.  He simply won't survive the gauntlett he's going to be subjected to going forward without better protection.  
One of the reasons Burrow got hit so much is because the Bengals are ahead of schedule in their rebuild.  They got arguably the two best players in the draft 2 years in a row.  How rare is it to have an elite QB in year 1.  Burrow before he got hurt was clearly elite.  How rare is it to draft a WR who in year 1 might be one of the top 2 or 3 weapons in the league?  
Before this season started you could make a pretty good argument that the best over all team in the league was the other Ohio team, the Browns.  They did the classic build the trenches and running game.  They didn't sniff the playoffs.  
The Jets are not dependent on building the OL.  We are dependent on Zach being elite and putting elite weapons around him.  Thank you Joe Douglas.  

So you think the pick shoukd be Ekwonu then?

[KINGDIRK]

On 2/5/2022 at 7:59 PM, GreenFish said:

 No but the Bengals arent in the Super Bowl without Chase.

OK OL + Elite Weapons > Elite OL and OK Weapons

Exactly. And probably easier to find a solid OL in the draft and FA than finding a Jamar Chase where the Bengals will be selecting. 

[Biggs]

13 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

16 hours ago, Biggs said:

A lot depends on who the QB is and what the design of the O is.  What makes Chase unique is his ability to break a D down with either a 5 yard pass or a 40 yard pass and turn it into a field position changing play.   Chase had tremendous value because of who he is and because of who Burrow is.  Burrow can deliver accurate passes quickly with pressure in his face.   It gets a little scarry when they run a lot of long developing passing plays and Burrow hangs in to make the throw.  
The Bengals have all the assetts they need to fix the OL in the off season.  Getting a player like Chase who is a matchup nightmare for every team in the league is rarely available.  If the Bengals had a QB who couldn't deliver accurate throws with pressure in his face they don't sniff the SB.  If they don't have a weapon who has to be accounted for and matched up with on every play they don't sniff a SB.  That said the Bengals need to protect Burrow.  He simply won't survive the gauntlett he's going to be subjected to going forward without better protection.  
One of the reasons Burrow got hit so much is because the Bengals are ahead of schedule in their rebuild.  They got arguably the two best players in the draft 2 years in a row.  How rare is it to have an elite QB in year 1.  Burrow before he got hurt was clearly elite.  How rare is it to draft a WR who in year 1 might be one of the top 2 or 3 weapons in the league?  
Before this season started you could make a pretty good argument that the best over all team in the league was the other Ohio team, the Browns.  They did the classic build the trenches and running game.  They didn't sniff the playoffs.  
The Jets are not dependent on building the OL.  We are dependent on Zach being elite and putting elite weapons around him.  Thank you Joe Douglas.  

So you think the pick shoukd be Ekwonu then?

I don't think it matters who we pick.   

[jamesr]

21 hours ago, GreenFish said:

Joe Burrow threw for 4,600 yards, had 34 TDs, a 70% completion percentage and a PFF grade of 90+. Your option B doesn't reflect reality.

He was also sacked 70 times - 3rd most in league history (when including regular and post season). He was sacked a record number of times in the post season / Super Bowl - 19 - with the previous mark being 14 (Wade Wilson, 1987). You could argue he was lucky to finish the Super Bowl in one piece.

All that will add up over time. Every time he gets hit it's another chance that he's out for the year. All QBs get hit - but do you want to risk that injury 40 times a season or 70 times a season? Brandon Allen isn't hitting Chase for anywhere near as much as Burrow did.

Cincy got very close to winning it all, credit to them. But you can bet their offseason will be heavily focused on the O line and keeping their QB on the field in 2022.

[jamesr]

If we are to do what winners do ... we need to look at the Rams.

• Their last 1st round pick was Jared Goff. In 2016. Since traded (along with future picks) for Matt Stafford
• Their previous 1st round pick was Todd Gurley. Not on the team for some years
• Prior to that was Greg Robinson (not on the team anymore) and Aaron Donald (beast)
• Tavon Austin ... Alec Ogletree ... nuff said

That's it for the past 10 years. 6 1st rounders (two years where they had 2). Only one guy left is a DT. They have no 1st round pick in 2022 or 2023 (Stafford trade). Seven years without a single first rounder.

Not sure this is a blueprint that we want to copy ... though it does kind of validate the "build the trenches" mantra (at least on D).  

 

[Snell41]

A young QB NEEDS big weapons.  More than most realize. 
 
So import for first reads to get open.  Takes so much pressure off QB’s.  Especially the young ones.  Frankly when first reads get open the OL isn’t all that important.  
Get a couple of big time weapons and you’ll see the O And QB transform into special.  

You’re right, it’s especially important for the ones without the football intellect to get past the first read.


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[FootballLove]

I had them taking Sowell or Slater over Ja'Mar, especially after Burrow's season ending knee. I'm still leaning that way, even after their SB run. 

I get Chase is great and made a difference. But long term, they coulda drafted top oline for the long haul and gotten great WR help thru FA/Trade much easier than top oline help. Seems like every-other-year a top WR changes teams. No so with top tackles.

Keeping Arron Donald off Burrow's back might have switched the outcome of the game.

[Sperm Edwards]

On 2/16/2022 at 9:33 AM, jamesr said:

He was also sacked 70 times - 3rd most in league history (when including regular and post season). He was sacked a record number of times in the post season / Super Bowl - 19 - with the previous mark being 14 (Wade Wilson, 1987). You could argue he was lucky to finish the Super Bowl in one piece.

All that will add up over time. Every time he gets hit it's another chance that he's out for the year. All QBs get hit - but do you want to risk that injury 40 times a season or 70 times a season? Brandon Allen isn't hitting Chase for anywhere near as much as Burrow did.

Cincy got very close to winning it all, credit to them. But you can bet their offseason will be heavily focused on the O line and keeping their QB on the field in 2022.

Half those sacks came when their starting RT, Reiff, was knocked out. If they'd drafted Sewell and say he similarly got injured in week 12, came back briefly for week 14 before leaving that game injured, too, then they'd have been no better off. Plus they'd have been without Chase, too. Or maybe he lets up a different sack early on when he wasn't playing as well, and that landed Burrow on IR himself back in Sept.

A whole season doesn't work just as planned like that, where one player's swapped out for another in hindsight, and all the good things that followed still happen while all the bad things that happened are magically reversed. 

Entering the season, they ultimately needed a RT and addressed that in FA with a guy who'd been a reliable LT and who'd never finished a season on IR. His season was over in early December, and when/while he was out is when half or more of those 70 sacks occurred. The preseason plan was never to start Isaiah Prince (nor Hakeem Adeniji) in the Super Bowl, and yes I had to look up those guys' names lol. 

They were in year 2 of a rebuild, and - incredibly - made the Super Bowl. This wasn't their "all in" season. I'm sure had they known they were closer than they'd realized they wouldn't have left the depth as thin. Perhaps $5MM of their $6-7MM of season-ending cap space - or all of it - would've been better spent outbidding the Jets for Morgan Moses after Washington released him. Easy to say it now.