Beerfish Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Raymond Berry - SMU Marvin Harrison - Syracuse Calvin Johnson - Georiga Tech Larry Fitzgerald Pittsburgh Terrel Owens - Chattanooga Steve Largent - Tulsa Randy Moss - Marshall Jerry Rice - Mississippi Valley State Antonio Brown - Central Michgan Cooper Kupp - Eastern Washington So....the temptation is to always elevate guys from the big boys and have ?'s about smaller school guys. (level of competition) I think level of competition is less of a factor at wr than most other positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 While I agree with your overall point, Harrison, Megatron and Fitz all played at the highest level of competition in college. They were all major conference players. All for programs who at certain points have been very good too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Marvin Harrison - Syracuse How dare you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Beerfish said: Raymond Berry - SMU Marvin Harrison - Syracuse Calvin Johnson - Georiga Tech Larry Fitzgerald Pittsburgh Terrel Owens - Chattanooga Steve Largent - Tulsa Randy Moss - Marshall Jerry Rice - Mississippi Valley State Antonio Brown - Central Michgan Cooper Kupp - Eastern Washington So....the temptation is to always elevate guys from the big boys and have ?'s about smaller school guys. (level of competition) I think level of competition is less of a factor at wr than most other positions. Christian Watson Anyone?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Liking this small school guy 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Counting stats are overrated for wide receivers. Proportion of passing game production is imperfect but better. Guys from smaller schools probably don’t have elite guys throwing them the ball, lines to give the quarterback time, etc. Numbers aren’t quite as good, or if they are then it’s pretty obvious the guy is special (Fitzgerald and Johnson being the recent ones). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 58 minutes ago, derp said: Counting stats are overrated for wide receivers. Proportion of passing game production is imperfect but better. Guys from smaller schools probably don’t have elite guys throwing them the ball, lines to give the quarterback time, etc. Numbers aren’t quite as good, or if they are then it’s pretty obvious the guy is special (Fitzgerald and Johnson being the recent ones). Yeah agreed. could we name any of the Qbs throwing to a lot of these guys in college without doing a lot of googling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 this is why the shrine game and senior bowl end up being really big for a lot of these smaller school guys. You have a better QB throwing to you and you can show your skills against higher competition. This is why so many skill guys take a jump after these events. WR is an interesting position, because stats wise you are usually very dependent on others (QB and OL). However, none of those factor into building the skill necessary to be an elite WR. Most of it is break point development drills, juggs machine, odd ball catching, hand eye coordination work, hand strengthening. You honestly can develop most of your game on your own without a QB or playing organized football. Now eventuallly you need the experience of playing against a defender, reading coverage, and understanding leverage. But a lot of the skill development can be done on your own which is different than a lot of other positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 also one of the most privately tutored positions in the game today. QB is probably still 1, but then WR is 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Not a really small school, but this guy wouldn't be a horrible consolation prize in the mid rounds if we don't get Drake or Christian. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 11:13 AM, Greenseed4 said: Not a really small school, but this guy wouldn't be a horrible consolation prize in the mid rounds if we don't get Drake or Christian. Good Size and Seems to have some speed. Also in the category of not really a small school but a worthy consolation, David Bell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Wayne Chrebet, Hofstra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntoTheGreen Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 2/14/2022 at 11:17 PM, Beerfish said: Yeah agreed. could we name any of the Qbs throwing to a lot of these guys in college without doing a lot of googling? Leftwich to Moss or was he after Moss? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 1:22 PM, Chrebetfan80 said: this is why the shrine game and senior bowl end up being really big for a lot of these smaller school guys. You have a better QB throwing to you and you can show your skills against higher competition. This is why so many skill guys take a jump after these events. On 2/17/2022 at 1:22 PM, Chrebetfan80 said: this is why the shrine game and senior bowl end up being really big for a lot of these smaller school guys. You have a better QB throwing to you and you can show your skills against higher competition. This is why so many skill guys take a jump after these events. WR is an interesting position, because stats wise you are usually very dependent on others (QB and OL). However, none of those factor into building the skill necessary to be an elite WR. Most of it is break point development drills, juggs machine, odd ball catching, hand eye coordination work, hand strengthening. You honestly can develop most of your game on your own without a QB or playing organized football. Now eventuallly you need the experience of playing against a defender, reading coverage, and understanding leverage. But a lot of the skill development can be done on your own which is different than a lot of other positions. Quick Twitch ability, contested catch %, dropped ball %, YAC and ST ability are what you’re looking for with these later round picks . Place them all in a pot, stir them up and see who is among the top players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 13 hours ago, IntoTheGreen said: Leftwich to Moss or was he after Moss? Pennington to Moss, Leftwich was after. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntoTheGreen Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, derp said: Pennington to Moss, Leftwich was after. My memory is that bad lol I thought Pennington was after leftwich. Geeze. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Bobby Jones - Texaco Tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92ShaunEllis92 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 There’s solid WR talent & depth players that JD can draft in the 2nd-4th rounds: Trey Burks -Ark David Bell - Purdue Jahan Dotson - PSU skyy Moore - West Michigan Jalen Tolbert - Alabama state Romeo Dubbs - Nevada Pickens - UGA Alec Pierce - Cincy Charleston Rambo - The U Metchie - Alabama Khalil Shakir - Boise St Jets should come out of this draft with Drake London and one of the WRs mentioned above along with a TE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 13 hours ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said: There’s solid WR talent & depth players that JD can draft in the 2nd-4th rounds: Trey Burks -Ark David Bell - Purdue Jahan Dotson - PSU skyy Moore - West Michigan Jalen Tolbert - Alabama state Romeo Dubbs - Nevada Pickens - UGA Alec Pierce - Cincy Charleston Rambo - The U Metchie - Alabama Khalil Shakir - Boise St Jets should come out of this draft with Drake London and one of the WRs mentioned above along with a TE I've been working my way through the projected mid-round receivers. In addition to Christian Watson and Alex Pierce, I really am liking Khalil Shakir. I think he would be a really nice fit in the Jets' scheme, and a potential great value pick on day 3. https://youtu.be/Hg2a6A7L-VA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 15 hours ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said: There’s solid WR talent & depth players that JD can draft in the 2nd-4th rounds: Trey Burks -Ark David Bell - Purdue Jahan Dotson - PSU skyy Moore - West Michigan Jalen Tolbert - Alabama state Romeo Dubbs - Nevada Pickens - UGA Alec Pierce - Cincy Charleston Rambo - The U Metchie - Alabama Khalil Shakir - Boise St Jets should come out of this draft with Drake London and one of the WRs mentioned above along with a TE I cant see Burks making it past the first. Id like to get him in a Deebo role as the Jets pick at #10. Other than that I like Pierce, Watson, and Bell if WR is not selected in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 8:14 PM, 92ShaunEllis92 said: There’s solid WR talent & depth players that JD can draft in the 2nd-4th rounds: Trey Burks -Ark David Bell - Purdue Jahan Dotson - PSU skyy Moore - West Michigan Jalen Tolbert - Alabama state Romeo Dubbs - Nevada Pickens - UGA Alec Pierce - Cincy Charleston Rambo - The U Metchie - Alabama Khalil Shakir - Boise St Jets should come out of this draft with Drake London and one of the WRs mentioned above along with a TE Dontario Drummond still flyin' low 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Paradis said: Dontario Drummond still flyin' low Justyn Ross..... still really curious how he runs at combine w/ foot rehab. and still like the idea of looking at him later in draft as long as his neck is good. any inside info here? can't find much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Do you think we can get Moss at #10? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Stark said: Justyn Ross..... still really curious how he runs at combine w/ foot rehab. and still like the idea of looking at him later in draft as long as his neck is good. any inside info here? can't find much @sec101row23 has offered some thoughts on the oddity of what he was asked to do in the offense this past year -- but i think it's just hard to gauge his value. There's scintillating freshman film, then the "red flag" variety of injuries, followed up with a flat finish. Depending on how some private workouts go and interviews, some team (I'll hazard a guess) will develop a "we can harness the Ross" type man-crush -- and not want to leave him hanging around on day 3, and make him a late round three pick. *shrugs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jet Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 3:14 PM, 92ShaunEllis92 said: There’s solid WR talent & depth players that JD can draft in the 2nd-4th rounds: Trey Burks -Ark David Bell - Purdue Jahan Dotson - PSU skyy Moore - West Michigan Jalen Tolbert - Alabama state Romeo Dubbs - Nevada Pickens - UGA Alec Pierce - Cincy Charleston Rambo - The U Metchie - Alabama Khalil Shakir - Boise St Jets should come out of this draft with Drake London and one of the WRs mentioned above along with a TE Starting to hear some buzz about Dotson being a late first round pick now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 12 hours ago, Paradis said: @sec101row23 has offered some thoughts on the oddity of what he was asked to do in the offense this past year -- but i think it's just hard to gauge his value. There's scintillating freshman film, then the "red flag" variety of injuries, followed up with a flat finish. Depending on how some private workouts go and interviews, some team (I'll hazard a guess) will develop a "we can harness the Ross" type man-crush -- and not want to leave him hanging around on day 3, and make him a late round three pick. *shrugs* yup. I think I read that post about his role in offense. every mock I look at, or try to click through I keep seeing his name so damn late. I still like the ability and have kind of started to talk myself into scenarios where he's one of the JETS 4th round picks. I saw where he's working out again and training working to show his long speed and catch ability.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 18 hours ago, Aussie Jet said: Starting to hear some buzz about Dotson being a late first round pick now. Dotson has a lot of E. Moore to his game, better college tape even... But not sure anyone is "rising" in the middle of February. I find reports about "sources" and "buzz" of evolving views and rankings -- to be laughable. Granted, i've never worked in an NFL front office, but the notion that teams are doing anything but developing a sense of WHO these players are, seems completely ridiculous. Until the combine/proday/workouts happen, its just names on boards. I'd wager Dotson could be as high as WR3 or 4 on some teams list (depending on the make up of their WR room) and as low as WR7 or 8 on others. If there's legit "buzz" then really all that means in that some Jeremiah type has confirmed that Dotson is well liked (and always has been). They're just figuring that out, for example. that NFL teams like Dotson more than they thought they did... I expect Dotson's name to higher in 6 weeks than it is now, and Olave's to be lot lower. 12 hours ago, Stark said: yup. I think I read that post about his role in offense. every mock I look at, or try to click through I keep seeing his name so damn late. I still like the ability and have kind of started to talk myself into scenarios where he's one of the JETS 4th round picks. I saw where he's working out again and training working to show his long speed and catch ability.... There's a nice cluster of round 3-4 WRs the Jets could maybe have to choose from. George Pickens if we're lucky Dontario Drummond Jaleen Tolbert Justyn Ross 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 11:14 PM, 92ShaunEllis92 said: There’s solid WR talent & depth players that JD can draft in the 2nd-4th rounds: Trey Burks -Ark David Bell - Purdue Jahan Dotson - PSU skyy Moore - West Michigan Jalen Tolbert - Alabama state Romeo Dubbs - Nevada Pickens - UGA Alec Pierce - Cincy Charleston Rambo - The U Metchie - Alabama Khalil Shakir - Boise St Jets should come out of this draft with Drake London and one of the WRs mentioned above along with a TE You left off Christian Watson who I think can be this years Claypool. 6'5 with sub 4.4 speed. Depending on how he performs in the Combine, he could get into the top of the second round and maybe even sneak into the end of round although I doubt it. This guy would be PERFECT for Wilson as is he a GREAT deep ball receiver and red zone target. He would be an excellent compliment to Moore. If we were to come away with a McBride and Watson, I would be really stoked! Add a later round gem like Kyle Phillips and maybe another TE like Cole Turner and Wilson will be set for offense weapons for years to come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 On 2/14/2022 at 7:00 PM, GangGreen Machine said: Liking this small school guy This guy had himself a day at the combine. Watson and Skyy Moore should be targets for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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