jetstream23 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Every draft has one or two elite edge rushers towards the top, a Chase Young or Nick Bosa, etc.. Some drafts have a handful of guys. But I can't recall a recent Draft that seemed to have so many guys with legitimate pass rushing skills sprinkled up and down the Draft board. Two of the Top 5 players taken should include Hutchinson and Thibodeaux. Between 5 and 20 another three or four guys could easily go including Jermaine Johnson, Ojabo, Karlaftis? As you head into the back half of Round 1 and into Day 2 you easily have another 5, 6, 7 guys who could all be worthy of being taken before the end of Round 2. Travon Walker, Myjai Sanders, Enagbare, Cameron Thomas and on and on. Is it just me or does this seem to be a really deep Draft for Edge rushers in those first 3 rounds? I'm a big fan of "taking what the Draft gives you," and this year it seems to be Edge rushers. With that being both a premium position and a key need in a Saleh defense, should the Jets think about double-dipping and taking two Edge rushers if the board falls that way? It's situations like this where I worry that the Jets will miscalculate or miss out. This seems to have happened at least two or three times in recent years with WRs. There have been some really, really deep and talented WR drafts in the past decade and somehow the Jets have found themselves constantly missing out, waiting too long or ending up with the wrong guy (ex. Mims). It would be tough to see that happen this year with Edge rushers IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 That's why we wait to the top of round 2. OFFENSE in Rd 1. The G/T at 4 and WR at 10. No Sauce, no Stingley. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jetstream23 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: That's why we wait to the top of round 2. OFFENSE in Rd 1. The G/T at 4 and WR at 10. No Sauce, no Stingley. AVT is a great OG and some people even think #14 was too high for him (I don't). You want an OG at #4? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Pretty much no doubt the Jets will be drafting an edge - the question is who and when - but you can be pretty sure nobody will really know who until some old Jets edge rusher like maybe Shawn Ellis stomps up there with the card unless its in the 1st round then its the commish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 44 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: AVT is a great OG and some people even think #14 was too high for him (I don't). You want an OG at #4? AVT looks like he'll be be a mid to top level offensive guard and I'm happy to have him on the team, but, JD way overpaid for an interior offensive lineman. Don't forget the two third rounds picks it took to move up, one at the top of the round. Those picks should have been used to build depth and the first rounder should have been used on a premium position. Good GM's find non-premium guys in FA and day 2/3 and that includes interior offensive lineman. Day one board should only have Edge, OT, WR and CB. 4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Nice! So we’ll probably walk away with one in the 3rd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Edge and OL look beefed up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65 Toss Power Trap Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 We certainly need one. Hope we get a solid player. Wouldn't be surprise if we have a shot at a few, but we pick the one who gets injured right away or flames out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65 Toss Power Trap Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: It's situations like this where I worry that the Jets will miscalculate or miss out. Exactly. With all the draft capital the Jets have, how do you screw this up? They will. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: If this is true then let's draft 2 of them. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 The year to double dip edge. Two of the top 4 picks. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I don't think edge is all that great, nor is CB. There may be some depth but I do not see many huge difference makers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, section314 said: The year to double dip edge. Two of the top 4 picks. Premium position. The key to the defense we run. Draft has several of them. Let's take two! Wouldn't mind if the Jets used any combination of their first 4-5 picks. #35 and #38? #10 and #69? Mix in a WR, OL, TE, etc. but come away with a dynamite pass rush. No more gambling on guys like Zuniga. Have to come away with a promising pass rush, particularly if we're going to continue to roll with a young, inexperienced secondary. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Peace Frog said: That's why we wait to the top of round 2. OFFENSE in Rd 1. The G/T at 4 and WR at 10. No Sauce, no Stingley. Playing devils advocate, because I like Ikem, are you comfortable drafting a potential Guard at 4? Wilson was terrible when he had time in the pocket this year per PFF. Maybe this a WR separation problem? If it is I feel like elite play making weapons in the first may be more the play here. WR/Edge? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I would love an edge at 4, trade down from 10 and I could agree on going edge again with an extra pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: AVT is a great OG and some people even think #14 was too high for him (I don't). You want an OG at #4? Yes. Yes I do. Because for 2 years he’ll make us the best line in football and in 3 years he’ll be the LT for 8 more years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, GangGreen Machine said: Playing devils advocate, because I like Ikem, are you comfortable drafting a potential Guard at 4? Wilson was terrible when he had time in the pocket this year per PFF. Maybe this a WR separation problem? If it is I feel like elite play making weapons in the first may be more the play here. WR/Edge? Wilson was terrible early but improved with time. Full stop. Draft a potential all pro G that will be an all pro LT or RT in 2-3 years. At 4 there is no elite o playmaking talent. At 10 I’m taking London or Burks or Wilson. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Wilson was terrible early but improved with time. Full stop. Draft a potential all pro G that will be an all pro LT or RT in 2-3 years. At 4 there is no elite o playmaking talent. At 10 I’m taking London or Burks or Wilson. Hope we can get some high octane weapons behind that juggernaut of a line. I’m on board with G/T as long as edge/WR and TE are addressed early or in FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peace Frog Posted February 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, GangGreen Machine said: Hope we can get some high octane weapons behind that juggernaut of a line. I’m on board with G/T as long as edge/WR and TE are addressed early or in FA. That’s my point. Folks wanting to draft CB and S disgust me. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Yes. Yes I do. Because for 2 years he’ll make us the best line in football and in 3 years he’ll be the LT for 8 more years. Do you look into players that you praise so highly? Maybe you should. Ickey isn’t some other worldly prospect like you seem to think he is. He’s a good run blocker and a mediocre pass blocker. It really isn’t a good look if you think he’s going to be some great LT, which there is absolutely no evidence of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Do you look into players that you praise so highly? Maybe you should. Ickey isn’t some other worldly prospect like you seem to think he is. He’s a good run blocker and a mediocre pass blocker. It really isn’t a good look if you think he’s going to be some great LT, which there is absolutely no evidence of. I’m not making him my LT this year. Im making him my AVT on the right side and keep this kid upright and give him time. We get it, you hate Zach and hate offense. This isn’t the 1960s or 1980s. Offense matters and even though you hate Zach he’s the QB for 2 more years. Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, Peace Frog said: I’m not making him my LT this year. Im making him my AVT on the right side and keep this kid upright and give him time. We get it, you hate Zach and hate offense. This isn’t the 1960s or 1980s. Offense matters and even though you hate Zach he’s the QB for 2 more years. Get over it. Is it this hard to stay on topic? Let’s talk about Ickey. You said he’ll be an all pro LT. What makes you think that? Does he have the athleticism to play in space against top edge rushers? Does he have the footwork, technique? Does he have the length? Why are you so confident that he’ll be a great LT? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Big_Slick said: AVT looks like he'll be be a mid to top level offensive guard and I'm happy to have him on the team, but, JD way overpaid for an interior offensive lineman. Don't forget the two third rounds picks it took to move up, one at the top of the round. Those picks should have been used to build depth and the first rounder should have been used on a premium position. Good GM's find non-premium guys in FA and day 2/3 and that includes interior offensive lineman. Day one board should only have Edge, OT, WR and CB. 2-3 round is for high upside guys who most inevitably fail for the Jets. Rounds 4-5 are for depth. I’m good with the move up and hope they do it again this year if the guy the love is around in the twenties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Do you look into players that you praise so highly? Maybe you should. Ickey isn’t some other worldly prospect like you seem to think he is. He’s a good run blocker and a mediocre pass blocker. It really isn’t a good look if you think he’s going to be some great LT, which there is absolutely no evidence of. Also, who in the NFL has ever played all pro level guard then switched to LT because someone left. Sounds kind of college’y to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 this draft is deep, but i think its missing top tier talent. i literally don't see a single lock to be very good next season in the top 10. Last year there were like 5-6 in the top 12 that you knew would be studs day 1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, GangGreen Machine said: Also, who in the NFL has ever played all pro level guard then switched to LT because someone left. Sounds kind of college’y to me. Yea @Peace Frog just hypes up guys he doesn’t know anything about because it fits his narrative. Ickey will 100% not be an “all pro LT” he’ll be a great guard in the nfl because he’s relentless in a phone booth. He has the size to overpower guys and good agility for a guard. His pass blocking is ok, he definitely needs to work on it even as a guard. This skill set is completely different than what’s needed for a top tier LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, GangGreen Machine said: Also, who in the NFL has ever played all pro level guard then switched to LT because someone left. Sounds kind of college’y to me. Tackles that got kicked inside then ended up outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Yea @Peace Frog just hypes up guys he doesn’t know anything about because it fits his narrative. Ickey will 100% not be an “all pro LT” he’ll be a great guard in the nfl because he’s relentless in a phone booth. He has the size to overpower guys and good agility for a guard. His pass blocking is ok, he definitely needs to work on it even as a guard. This skill set is completely different than what’s needed for a top tier LT. You sound angry. You’re going to be angrier when we draft him. And he solidifies our line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, Peace Frog said: You sound angry. You’re going to be angrier when we draft him. And he solidifies our line. I’m not angry at all. I actually think it’s funny that you can’t defend your stance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, BurntDice said: I’m not angry at all. I actually think it’s funny that you can’t defend your stance. I’ve defended my opinion all I care to. You seem to think your opinion counts worth sh*t. Opinions are like assholes. You seem to love yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, Peace Frog said: I’ve defended my opinion all I care to. You seem to think your opinion counts worth sh*t. Opinions are like assholes. You seem to love yours. You haven’t defended why he’ll be an “all pro LT”. You just keep changing the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Every draft has one or two elite edge rushers towards the top, a Chase Young or Nick Bosa, etc.. Some drafts have a handful of guys. But I can't recall a recent Draft that seemed to have so many guys with legitimate pass rushing skills sprinkled up and down the Draft board. Two of the Top 5 players taken should include Hutchinson and Thibodeaux. Between 5 and 20 another three or four guys could easily go including Jermaine Johnson, Ojabo, Karlaftis? As you head into the back half of Round 1 and into Day 2 you easily have another 5, 6, 7 guys who could all be worthy of being taken before the end of Round 2. Travon Walker, Myjai Sanders, Enagbare, Cameron Thomas and on and on. Is it just me or does this seem to be a really deep Draft for Edge rushers in those first 3 rounds? I'm a big fan of "taking what the Draft gives you," and this year it seems to be Edge rushers. With that being both a premium position and a key need in a Saleh defense, should the Jets think about double-dipping and taking two Edge rushers if the board falls that way? It's situations like this where I worry that the Jets will miscalculate or miss out. This seems to have happened at least two or three times in recent years with WRs. There have been some really, really deep and talented WR drafts in the past decade and somehow the Jets have found themselves constantly missing out, waiting too long or ending up with the wrong guy (ex. Mims). I would be tough to see that happen this year with Edge rushers IMO. Problem is there is no Young and Bosa, it may be deep but there is no stud. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, BurntDice said: You haven’t defended why he’ll be an “all pro LT”. You just keep changing the topic. Could be. Maybe not. Relax Francis. This is about NOT drafting a DB before round 4. Like I said. Relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, Peace Frog said: Could be. Maybe not. Relax Francis. This is about NOT drafting a DB before round 4. Like I said. Relax. All I’m trying to do is discuss a prospect, which apparently you have no intention of doing. Keep hyping guys up without any evidence to support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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