jeremy2020 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: What's off base about my statement? I'm not worried about Saleh missing an opportunity to network...there's plenty of opportunity for that throughout the course of the year and Saleh has already been on the coaching staff of multiple teams. Other than that, everything you mention is about GMs meeting people...and JD is going. That you literally wrote the combine is just about rookie players. Again, I'm not arguing either way on whether Saleh needs to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, football guy said: According to Connor Hughes, staff is "deep in film study on free agent & draft class." Will partake in prospect meetings virtually. If this is any indication that the coaching staff will have a larger say in free agency I think this is great news. I've always felt NFL coaches are best equipped to scout pros/identify who fits in their system, whereas the college scouts are best at identifying talent and determining how they project whether they'll be able to fit into an NFL scheme once taught what the coaching staff looks for. It's hard for a coach to properly evaluate college guys because they're so used to watching film on pro guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: These teams get streams of data on players from their time in college and supplement that with the data taken at the combine. Sitting in a luxury box hundreds of feet away from the field while guys run 40s doesn't really add much to the process that can't be seen on a TV in Florham park. These players have been put through their paces, measured and tested pretty much since sophomore year of high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 52 minutes ago, Warfish said: Well, maybe Saleh can Coach from hom then too, after all he can see everything on TV, the outcome won't be meaningfully different, right? Sorry, at some point I expect exceptionally well paid people to actually be on-site, doing their jobs. Insanity, I know. Watching guys run around in their underwear and coaching a football team during a game are equivocal for the sake of this discussion? Then yes he should be 100% there or fired. That bastard! I thought he had guys for that? If not? Then yes he should be fired. That bastard! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, BeaconJet said: Excellent point. Ideally we don't want Saleh pounding the table for a borderline prospect that he fell in love with at the combine, over the scouts/GMs analysis (i.e. what Rex Ryan used to do)? Just speculating. I was trying to tip toe around the R word, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Shanahan and Mcvay also not going. I think the younger coaching generation don't see the benefit to sitting in the stands while players run and jump. Analytics rule the day and the "eye" test of players running around in underwear doesn't really add much....at least for some teams. The better question is, what is the rationale in going? Idzik and Mac went to every combine. I dunno. Seems like an opportunity to get face time with players even if it’s not in a formal interview setting. I don’t see any downside in them being there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Matt39 said: I dunno. Seems like an opportunity to get face time with players even if it’s not in a formal interview setting. I don’t see any downside in them being there. They can’t afford to miss a week of “self-scouting” from last year’s program-wide redshirt season, and also Saleh has to be around to pick out the bathroom tile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, T0mShane said: They can’t afford to miss a week of “self-scouting” from last year’s program-wide redshirt season, and also Saleh has to be around to pick out the bathroom tile. They’re staying home to watch film was an interesting excuse lol. The Jets make nothing easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Part of me wondered if they actually wanted to do some stuff virtually since the teams have been forced to do that so much the past couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Gives Saleh plausible deniability when another young player arbitrarily decides to stop playing hard for Robert Saleh. Yeah, like which ones? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Matt39 said: They’re staying home to watch film was an interesting excuse lol. The Jets make nothing easy. Mcvay and the Rams, Shanahan and the Niners are regarded as teams ahead of the curve. If they think their time is better used back at team HQ to watch film of Rookies/Free agents and to process all the data from 2021 as opposed to watching players run around in underwear, not sure why it bothers anyone that the Jets are doing the same. There were was a time when fans mocked analytics also and demanded coaches use the "old school" approach instead. Regardless, the Jets will still have scouts at the combine. So it's not like we aren't going to have a presence, you just won't see JD dozing off in the luxury box this year..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Mcvay and the Rams, Shanahan and the Niners are regarded as teams ahead of the curve. If they think their time is better used back at team HQ to watch film of Rookies/Free agents and to process all the data from 2021 as opposed to watching players run around in underwear, not sure why it bothers anyone that the Jets are doing the same. There were was a time when fans mocked analytics also and demanded coaches use the "old school" approach instead. Regardless, the Jets will still have scouts at the combine. So it's not like we aren't going to have a presence, you just won't see JD dozing off in the luxury box this year..... It’s unconventional for a bad team to skip key offseason events that’s all. No downside to having all hands on deck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Man, some of you are acting like he will be on family vacation with Kevin Hart poolside in Malibu. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, Matt39 said: It’s unconventional for a bad team to skip key offseason events that’s all. No downside to having all hands on deck. There’s no downside to just speaking with them virtually. Stop reaching. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, Drums said: Man, some of you are acting like he will be on family vacation with Kevin Hart poolside in Malibu. Sounds better then going to the combine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Any day JD is kept away from all-you-can-eat hotel buffets is a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 No problem with it at all. The draft is Douglas' show. I assume Saleh will be more involved in pro days once the field has been narrowed down a bit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmhertz Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Like who as an example? Becton and QW, have no use for those two lazy bums 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, hmhertz said: Becton and QW, have no use for those two lazy bums Total nonsense. You might want to pick a player who played more than on quarter of a game before missing the season and one who is one of the best players on the team. People who think Q is a dog who quit on the team need to take a break from talking football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Matt39 said: It’s unconventional for a bad team to skip key offseason events that’s all. No downside to having all hands on deck. Its so unconventional that two of the best HCs in the league are also doing the same Didnt read the article but when it was reported last night the comment was there was too much to do at 1JD but the team will be well represented in Indy. Plus HC coach, GMs scout players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Drums said: Man, some of you are acting like he will be on family vacation with Kevin Hart poolside in Malibu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 hours ago, faba said: Not a problem for me-he has seen some prospects already up close. Let the scouts do their homework plus combine is not end all to what a player can actually do Spot on Frank...all Saleh has to do is coach them up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Matt39 said: It’s unconventional for a bad team to skip key offseason events that’s all. No downside to having all hands on deck. The downside it takes away from time they believe can be better used watching film and preparing for free agency. This doesn't seem to be about laziness but rather a resource allocation decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: The downside it takes away from time they believe can be better used watching film and preparing for free agency. This doesn't seem to be about laziness but rather a resource allocation decision. If they can do zoom interviews then they can also watch film on the road. The combine is a week not a month. Just seemed like a strange decision when the team has so many picks (and the draft that will make or break Douglas). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: a resource allocation decision. This is the same coach who opted to move across the country with seven kids and start a major home renovation job that carried deep into his first season as a Head Coach in the NFL but now he can’t spare four days in early March because there’s just too much film to watch of his own team? Now he’s worried about allocating his time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: This is the same coach who opted to move across the country with seven kids and start a major home renovation job that carried deep into his first season as a Head Coach in the NFL but now he can’t spare four days in early March because there’s just too much film to watch of his own team? Now he’s worried about allocating his time? Yeah the excuses on this one are even more homerish than usual. I’d like to hear Douglas answer this question truthfully. The team has a boatload of picks. The staff not being there is very odd. Almost as odd as a coach not being in the war room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 You can ask a player if his mother is a prostitute just as easily on zoom as you can in person. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Yeah the excuses on this one are even more homerish than usual. I’d like to hear Douglas answer this question truthfully. The team has a boatload of picks. The staff not being there is very odd. Almost as odd as a coach not being in the war room. Especially given the fact that the 2020 draft class—which Douglas allegedly conducted by himself—is catastrophic because of character concerns and Saleh’s presence allegedly corrected that for the 21 draft. So, what, Saleh is gonna prevent the next Mims pick via Zoom? Because he can’t tear himself away from watching Bills tape for a few hours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 A little strange, but it seems like he's attending the interviews remotely which is obviously the only part of the process that is really pertinent for the HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, The Crusher said: Watching guys run around in their underwear I.e. Talent Evaluation 4 hours ago, The Crusher said: and coaching a football team during a game I.e. Talent Management 4 hours ago, The Crusher said: are equivocal for the sake of this discussion? Then yes he should be 100% there or fired. That bastard! He should be there. I'll turn it around, why in your view should he not be there, specifically? Does he have nothing to offer on the question of talent and system fit? 4 hours ago, The Crusher said: I thought he had guys for that? If not? Then yes he should be fired. That bastard! If he's irrelevant to evaluating potential talent for his systems and his team, maybe he's not the right guy. Guess we'll see. So far he has the worst Defense in Jets Franchise history as his only resume item in NY. Maybe he's too busy redesigning his pathetic defense system? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I’m keen seems like a dumb idea to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: This is the same coach who opted to move across the country with seven kids and start a major home renovation job that carried deep into his first season as a Head Coach in the NFL but now he can’t spare four days in early March because there’s just too much film to watch of his own team? Now he’s worried about allocating his time? Stop it! Silly analogy and even worse take on the time consumption of an event like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 39 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Especially given the fact that the 2020 draft class—which Douglas allegedly conducted by himself—is catastrophic because of character concerns and Saleh’s presence allegedly corrected that for the 21 draft. So, what, Saleh is gonna prevent the next Mims pick via Zoom? Because he can’t tear himself away from watching Bills tape for a few hours? Especially since Saleh wasnt here for the 2020 draft class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 24 minutes ago, Warfish said: I.e. Talent Evaluation I.e. Talent Management He should be there. I'll turn it around, why in your view should he not be there, specifically? Does he have nothing to offer on the question of talent and system fit? If he's irrelevant to evaluating potential talent for his systems and his team, maybe he's not the right guy. Guess we'll see. So far he has the worst Defense in Jets Franchise history as his only resume item in NY. Maybe he's too busy redesigning his pathetic defense system? He doesnt coach the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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