Sauce Gardner

[Jet2020]

7 hours ago, chirorob said:

Id rather him than a safety.

Well it’ll be both. 

[Snell41]

I think what we have to accept, and Saleh already knows, is that Zach Wilson is terrible. To elide this problem, Saleh’s best and only chance to not end his own career is to hide Wilson behind a big defense and a superhuman running game. Giving Zach Wilson a high-value receiver is like giving an infant an AK-47. Draft CB, OLB. and Kenneth Walker. Run the ball 40 times a game. Hope for the best. Zach sucks.

Teflon Tom over here ?. I take a beating for saying the same thing. I think they should load this team with offense so it’s attractive to the best FA QB that hits the market/forces a trade after Zach craps the bed this season


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[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

YEAH I couldn't think of the other team but it was a comeback like 38-35 or something. Night game national tv.

He was electric.

[68JET11]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I think what we have to accept, and Saleh already knows, is that Zach Wilson is terrible. To elide this problem, Saleh’s best and only chance to not end his own career is to hide Wilson behind a big defense and a superhuman running game. Giving Zach Wilson a high-value receiver is like giving an infant an AK-47. Draft CB, OLB. and Kenneth Walker. Run the ball 40 times a game. Hope for the best. Zach sucks.

So I guess that means you're ok with taking OL at 4 or 10 lmao....

[Barton]

Did this guy folow the  best WR on the other time (playing both sides of the field and the slot)?

[varjet]

Zach is the Jets Garoppolo ona 6 year rookie deal.  They should be structuring their salary cap to absorb costs in years 5 and 6 (franchise).  Zach is never getting a Josh Allen contract, and I think the Jets are fine with that.  
 

Build a solid team and fill in the QB in 3-5 years. Maybe it is Zach.  I do think with a good team Zach could be as good as Garoppolo. 

[Jet Nut]

18 hours ago, JTJet said:

If we go double defense in the 1st round I will gouge out my eyes. 

New avatar for you then:

[Jet Nut]

Sauce and a WR first round?

Works for me if they dont like the EDGE available at 4 or OL and Hamilton

[PepPep]

My take on Sauce has been- LOVE the player, makes no sense for the Jets. 

HOWEVER, that depends on how the Jets view Hall and Echols. If they think neither will ever reach #1 CB status, and the reports that Hall is simply not a playmaker and has been targeted by teams for that reason are true, the Jets could very well target Sauce. He is one of the best players in the draft, a great fit and WOULD address a position of need. He's one of those guys where I will trust Saleh and JD. If they end up taking him at 4- fine, I'll assume they know what they are doing until I am proven wrong. Who knows, maybe they end up drafting Sauce and trading Hall for a 2nd which nets us a plug and play Guard for the next 10 years. Crazier things have happened...and I'll sign up for that any day.    

Having said that...I would still love Thib. (if he falls) over Sauce at 4. I think the 'lack of effort' rumors are just that- rumors and he is one of the most elite Pass Rush prospects in the draft. I will also GUARANTEE you he does not fall to 10. He had a solid combine, I would imagine him Pro Day will be even better and his tape along with his numbers and pure upside will get him picked in the top 5 easily. In other words, if we pass on Thib. the Giants will run to the podium for their version of JPP 2.0. 

When you look at the way the draft falls, its WAY more likely Sauce falls to 10 than Thib. The only team I think has a legit need at CB is ATL. And they may be looking to draft a WR or even QB at their spot. All they other teams, NYG, CAR, DEN have good starting CBs in place and have other glaring needs. 

Thib. at 4, Sauce at 10 -although all defensive- would be absolutely fine in my book. 

[Claymation]

30 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Sauce and a WR first round?

Works for me if they dont like the EDGE available at 4 or OL and Hamilton

That is what I am leaning towards right now, but that can change with Free Agency. You can easily pick up a Sanders/Mafe/Ebiketie in the 2nd

[PepPep]

37 minutes ago, varjet said:

Zach is the Jets Garoppolo ona 6 year rookie deal.  They should be structuring their salary cap to absorb costs in years 5 and 6 (franchise).  Zach is never getting a Josh Allen contract, and I think the Jets are fine with that.  
 

Build a solid team and fill in the QB in 3-5 years. Maybe it is Zach.  I do think with a good team Zach could be as good as Garoppolo. 

Weird take. Zach is nothing like Jimmy G. He's only going to his second year. From what we have seen so far, he would be lucky to be as good as Jimmy G. He's also clearly more talented than Jimmy G (or has more upside). Which is why Jimmy J was drafted in the second round and Zach went 2nd overall. You are comparing apples to oranges in the QB world. 

If Zach blossoms in year 2 and continues to get even better in year 3. If that also leads to Jet wins and playoff appearances you can bet your bottom dollar he will get a 'Josh Allen' contract- whatever that means (b/c QB contracts will be slightly different by then and the comparison will have aged). 

If Zach continues to struggle for the next 2-3 years and it leads to more losing you can bet your bottom dollar the Jets will draft a new QB. Whether that means JD and Saleh get replaced or not, that I don't know. 

As far as building a team- I'm not sure what is so hard to understand. JD is building this team through the draft. Sure, we will see a splash signing here and there (btw- probably without lengthy commitments). But for the most part he will be holding on to his draft picks and building that way. If Zach is legit and this is a playoff caliber, potential contender in the next few years- yes, we may see JD get more aggressive in FA to 'take us over the top'- or whatever. But for the most part, JD will be building through the draft and only filling certain holes in FA (like I said, without major commitments or lengthy contracts).        

[section314]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

Zach is the Jets Garoppolo ona 6 year rookie deal.  They should be structuring their salary cap to absorb costs in years 5 and 6 (franchise).  Zach is never getting a Josh Allen contract, and I think the Jets are fine with that.  
 

Build a solid team and fill in the QB in 3-5 years. Maybe it is Zach.  I do think with a good team Zach could be as good as Garoppolo. 

By no means is this an attack on you, but if that turns out to be his upside, we are in huge trouble.

[NYJCAP2]

I wouldn’t mind if the Jets take him but I don’t believe they will. 
 

In a couple years I’ll be wishing they did.

[THE BARON]

20 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

 

This guy will be the pick at 4. They will then draft one of these other edges at 10 (Johnson, Walker, Ojobo, Thibodeaux)

If anyone has been reading my posts,  you have to know just how much I like this FOOTBALL PLAYER.  Never mind any of the measurables.  

A player like Sauce gives your team leadership and identity.  More than an athlete or a CB.   He's a football player and he's got his head on right.  He's already an adult.  Big Ticket can learn from him as well as can others who are on his team and in his locker room.

And now this.  The type of defense that Saleh runs is PERFECT for Sauce.  With the Saleh defense, you don't want specialists, you wan do-all football players at the second and third level of the defense.  

That is Sauce.

Now... I would not draft him at number 4 if Ekwonu is there, but I would consider doing something to move up a spot or two IF they get Ekwonu at number four and believe that Sauce wont be there at 10,

And please don't tell me the Jets don't need another OT.  Becton has to graduate kindergarten.  That might take another decade or two.

So.  What to do if Ekwonu is taken by the Jags with their first overall pick.  And if they are smart, they will do just that.  Like SAUCE, Ekwonu is a football player, leader and already an adult. 

Trade down out of the fourth overall a few spots to may be 6,7,8 and take SAUCE there.  Then take another player at 10 and use what ever you get for the trade-down to add to the stable.

Also... in FA, I'd love to see the Jets land center Jensen and yes... guard Cappa.   Good players on the offensive line are a must.  Elite players on the offensive line will win you a playoff spot and playoff games.

In the modern NFL, never underestimate the importance of the offensive line.

The changes in Tampa are why Brady is retiring until he finds another team that still has a pro bowl quality offensive line and a few skill players.

 

[TheClashFan]

20 hours ago, Beerfish said:

4.52,,,,slow....bust

I think the big SAUCE necklace weighs him down a bit...

 

[section314]

11 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

If anyone has been reading my posts,  you have to know just how much I like this FOOTBALL PLAYER.  Never mind any of the measurables.  

A player like Sauce gives your team leadership and identity.  More than an athlete or a CB.   He's a football player and he's got his head on right.  He's already an adult.  Big Ticket can learn from him as well as can others who are on his team and in his locker room.

And now this.  The type of defense that Saleh runs is PERFECT for Sauce.  With the Saleh defense, you don't want specialists, you wan do-all football players at the second and third level of the defense.  

That is Sauce.

Now... I would not draft him at number if Ekwonu is there, but I would consider doing something to move up a spot or two IF they get Ekwonu at number four and believe that Sauce wont be there at 10,

And please don't tell me the Jets don't need another OT.  Becton has to graduate kindergarten.  That might take another decade or two.

So.  What to do if Ekwonu is taken by the Jags with their first overall pick.  And if they are smart, they will do just that.  Like SAUCE, Ekwonu is a football player, leader and already an adult. 

Trade down out of the fourth overall a few spots to may be 6,7,8 and take SAUCE there.  Then take another player at 10 and use what ever you get for the trade-down to add to the stable.

Also... in FR, I'd love to see the Jets land center Jensen and yes... guard Cappa.   Good players on the offensive line are a must.  Elite players on the offensive line will win you a playoff spot and playoff games.

In the modern NFL, never underestimate the importance of the offensive line.

The changes in Tampa are why Brady is retiring until he finds another team that still has a pro bowl quality offensive line and a few skill players.

 

Honest question......do you think he lasts till #4?  

[Tranquilo]

9 minutes ago, section314 said:

Honest question......do you think he lasts till #4?  

I think he will be there at 4, but you're taking a huge risk if you're looking to trade back up from 10 and get him at 6-8. I think his clock starts at 4.

[section314]

6 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

I think he will be there at 4, but you're taking a huge risk if you're looking to trade back up to 10 and get him at 6-8. I think his clock starts at 4.

This seems to be such a weird draft. Nothing would surprise me.

[UntouchableCrew]

I'm warming up to the idea.

I was vehemently against it, but the more I read about the draft class I think getting a stud CB might be the best/safest thing for this team on a go forward.

[TuscanyTile2]

21 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

 

This guy will be the pick at 4. They will then draft one of these other edges at 10 (Johnson, Walker, Ojobo, Thibodeaux)

I'm sure @Gastineau Lives would be on board with drafting a guy named Sauce who plays on Sundays ("Sunday Sauce").  I'm quite certain @The Crusher could be talked into this as well.

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/270298/grandmas-sunday-sauce/

[TuscanyTile2]

21 hours ago, JTJet said:

If we go double defense in the 1st round I will gouge out my eyes. 

There's probably a real chance we do go defense 2x in the 1st round.

[THE BARON]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

Honest question......do you think he lasts till #4?  

The earliest I see Sauce going is 8.  Perhaps even 7

The first six guys off the board, and not in this order are going to be

Ekwonu, Neal, Hutchinson, Thibodeau, Picket, and one or two of the following will go before Sauce

Cross, Ojabo...

I also see the fist DB taken to be Hamilton (S) before either of the two CB's (Sauce/Stingley) are taken

And I see Stingley sliding down past ten. 

Absolute dream off season for the Jets.

1. Jags miss the boat and they don't take Ekwonu

2. Jets take Ekwonu with # 4

3. Sauce falls to 10 and the Jets get him there.

4. Jets sign FA center Jensen or guard Cappa

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I'm warming up to the idea.

I was vehemently against it, but the more I read about the draft class I think getting a stud CB might be the best/safest thing for this team on a go forward.

You're warming up the sauce?

[Gastineau Lives]

37 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I'm sure @Gastineau Lives would be on board with drafting a guy named Sauce who plays on Sundays ("Sunday Sauce").  I'm quite certain @The Crusher could be talked into this as well.

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/270298/grandmas-sunday-sauce/

If his name was gravy, no dice.

[Jethead]

2 hours ago, THE BARON said:

If anyone has been reading my posts,  you have to know just how much I like this FOOTBALL PLAYER.  Never mind any of the measurables.  

A player like Sauce gives your team leadership and identity.  More than an athlete or a CB.   He's a football player and he's got his head on right.  He's already an adult.  Big Ticket can learn from him as well as can others who are on his team and in his locker room.

And now this.  The type of defense that Saleh runs is PERFECT for Sauce.  With the Saleh defense, you don't want specialists, you wan do-all football players at the second and third level of the defense.  

That is Sauce.

Now... I would not draft him at number 4 if Ekwonu is there, but I would consider doing something to move up a spot or two IF they get Ekwonu at number four and believe that Sauce wont be there at 10,

And please don't tell me the Jets don't need another OT.  Becton has to graduate kindergarten.  That might take another decade or two.

So.  What to do if Ekwonu is taken by the Jags with their first overall pick.  And if they are smart, they will do just that.  Like SAUCE, Ekwonu is a football player, leader and already an adult. 

Trade down out of the fourth overall a few spots to may be 6,7,8 and take SAUCE there.  Then take another player at 10 and use what ever you get for the trade-down to add to the stable.

Also... in FA, I'd love to see the Jets land center Jensen and yes... guard Cappa.   Good players on the offensive line are a must.  Elite players on the offensive line will win you a playoff spot and playoff games.

In the modern NFL, never underestimate the importance of the offensive line.

The changes in Tampa are why Brady is retiring until he finds another team that still has a pro bowl quality offensive line and a few skill players.

 

Solid reasoning but Neal is better than Ikey IMO.

[TuscanyTile2]

If the Lions draft him, they can pair Sauce with Penei Sewell.

"Nonni-approved!"

 

[THE BARON]

1 hour ago, Jethead said:

Solid reasoning but Neal is better than Ikey IMO.

Could be, yes.   I dont thin so, but could be.  At least I hope the Jags see it your way <wink>

[JohnnyLV]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

There's probably a real chance we do go defense 2x in the 1st round.

All of this is so premature. After FA we will have a much better idea of where we are going with the Top 4 picks. I am convinced ANY of this years EDGE are worth a Top 10 pick. They all seem like optimistic projection and physical tools types of reaches that should go in the 2nd round. Saleh said exactly the same thing. I would be very surprised with EDGE before 2nd round unless we trade down early and then back up at bottom of first. 

[Rhg1084]

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[roscoeword]

On 3/6/2022 at 10:05 PM, NYSportsKing said:

He seems so safe to me. Like probably the lowest bust rate of anyone in the top 10 from this year's class (maybe just outside of Hutch). 

The only thing that worries me slightly is how grabby he can be so far past the line of scrimmage. Something that shouldn't be hard to fix but is just further testament to his physicality and stickiness.

Wow, good scouting on that one

[JetBlue]

I still can't believe we actually drafted the best defensive player in this years draft.   Too bad as good as he has been, Zach has been that bad.... In the Jets way of things, I guess it had to balance out this way.  We couldn't draft our FQB AND HOF caliber CB in back to back drafts....

Thank God for Garret Wilson, Breece Hall and Jermaine Johnson.  They, along with Sauce, literally have saved JDs job.  

[FootballLove]

Hard to call...JD could go O/D line early and solidify those lines. But sooner or later he has to turn his big guns to other positions.....DB/WR/RB. We won't be good until that happens. If it's time for other positions, Sauce Gardner at 4 makes a ton of sense, especially if we can land a top WR like Garrett Wilson at 10. That would be amamzing....we could win BOTH O and D rookies of the year! Don't know if Breece Hall RB will still be around in the 2nd, but if he is, GRAB HIM! Only position we'd miss is pass rusher, but every year at least one falls further than we think. Maybe that Jermain kid might slip and JoeD can move up a few spots at the bottom of the first and steal him. We'll find out sooooon!

 

remember, hindsight is 20/20! This is the post I wish I had made. Don't we all! 

[Green Ghost]

On 3/6/2022 at 4:56 PM, Green Ghost said:

We’re not winning more than 7 games next year no matter who we take at #4.

We need to keep getting good players right now, it’s not about contending in ‘22. That isn’t happening.

This guy^^^^ knows his sh*t….