Hal N of Provo Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Zach won the job last season and would have started for anyone that drafted him at number 2. All the blubbering and pretending like Zach didn’t play well enough to win the job ignores reality. Bonus PSA: eVerYOne LoOks Good IN thE PresEAson isn’t true either It’s 7 minutes to watch every preseason pass. Bonus PSA: My Quite looked bad in camp. 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 He has a long way to go. And the offense looked better when he was not in there. Its a process. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Preseason champs! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Bronx said: Preseason champs! Just correcting the BS narrative that lives on in JN. He played well enough for a team to start him. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, Hal N of Provo said: Just correcting the BS narrative that lives on in JN. He played well enough for a team to start him. Do you feel better now? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: He has a long way to go. And the offense looked better when he was not in there. Its a process. That’s not even the argument I’m trying to have. Haters like to pretend they just turned it over to Zach inexplicably. It’s fiction. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, The Crusher said: Do you feel better now? You like the “they just gave it to Zach for free” narrative. Are you going to defend it? If not stop with the parroting it and acting like it’s an established fact. It comes up regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, Hal N of Provo said: You like the “they just gave it to Zach for free” narrative. Are you going to defend it? If not stop with the parroting it and acting like it’s an established fact. It comes up regularly. I don't like it at all. He wasn't ready to start with the this brand new offense being installed, No shame in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 He looked fine in the preseason, that's what hurt so much from game 1 until he came back from injury. From the time the line fell apart and he forgot how to throw the ball made me confused as to what happened. I have no issues with him moving forward, I expect professional athletes to work on their game and get better over the course of their career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, The Crusher said: Do you feel better now? And yes, now I do. That rant will keep me happy through at least the first week of camp. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Hal N of Provo said: Bonus PSA: My Quite looked bad in camp. Only PSA that matters: Zach was appointed the starting QB. The team avoided any competition for him. He earned nothing. To earn something, you have to compete. There was no competition. And the result: Zach Wilson was the worst QB in the NFL in Year 1. He must improve materially in Year 2. Mike White or no Mike White. If you REALLY believed in him, you'd be looking forward, not back. Because you'd have no doubt he'd prove his doubters wrong in 2022 and beyond. Obviously, you're just not that sure of him yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Rarely do you see pre-season brought up to support the worst rated player at their position after the 'actual' season is over. Anyway, nothing matters except how ZW plays in real games next season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 45 minutes ago, Big_Slick said: Rarely do you see pre-season brought up to support the worst rated player at their position after the 'actual' season is over. Anyway, nothing matters except how ZW plays in real games next season. Uh…. The only thing I brought it up because your little club likes to pretend that Zach was hot garbage and didn’t deserve a chance. Just targets one of your clubs parroted talking points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Only PSA that matters: Zach was appointed the starting QB. The team avoided any competition for him. He earned nothing. To earn something, you have to compete. There was no competition. And the result: Zach Wilson was the worst QB in the NFL in Year 1. He must improve materially in Year 2. Mike White or no Mike White. If you REALLY believed in him, you'd be looking forward, not back. Because you'd have no doubt he'd prove his doubters wrong in 2022 and beyond. Obviously, you're just not that sure of him yourself. You are missing the point of the thread. The Zach hater crew makes the same claim over and over and treats it like a known fact. I’m responding to one of their talking points that isn’t true. They claim Zach was hot garbage before the season and it was crazy to let him start. This isn’t true. Not even debating Zach as a starter here or his skills. I’m only pointing out that in camp and preseason he looked good enough to start and learn on the job. Refuting one regularly parroted claim. —- edit: in this thread anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Hal N of Provo said: Uh…. The only thing I brought it up because your little club likes to pretend that Zach was hot garbage and didn’t deserve a chance. Just targets one of your clubs parroted talking points. I'd never belong to any club that would have me as a member. Actually, after JD pulled the trigger on Zach I wanted him to get all the reps possible and to start from day one. The Jets bet the farm on Zach and he should get every chance possible to prove he's a FQB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: Zach won the job last season and would have started for anyone that drafted him at number 2. All the blubbering and pretending like Zach didn’t play well enough to win the job ignores reality. Bonus PSA: eVerYOne LoOks Good IN thE PresEAson isn’t true either It’s 7 minutes to watch every preseason pass. Bonus PSA: My Quite looked bad in camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: You are missing the point of the thread. The Zach hater crew makes the same claim over and over and treats it like a known fact. I’m responding to one of their talking points that isn’t true. They claim Zach was hot garbage before the season and it was crazy to let him start. This isn’t true. Not even debating Zach as a starter here or his skills. I’m only pointing out that in camp and preseason he looked good enough to start and learn on the job. Refuting one regularly parroted claim. Can you post all these claims Zach looked bad in pre-season? All I recall was Zach looked like he belonged and everyone drooling over him. The knock was he never played against starters in the pre-season. It was such a talking point that there was an article that pointed out it is a positive that Zach is playing well against 2nd and 3rd tier talent because it is better than what he saw at BYU. IOW, some of the most rediculous arguments were made to defend him, not put him down. As a result, Zach Wilson led Jets posted historically bad numbers during the season and Zach has a lot to prove. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Are you trying to insult Mike White or was that just autocorrect? I genuinely don’t know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 I don't get the argument here. Zach's the QB going into 2022. I don't think there's much else to say other than he'll just need to step it up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: Zach won the job last season and would have started for anyone that drafted him at number 2. All the blubbering and pretending like Zach didn’t play well enough to win the job ignores reality. Bonus PSA: eVerYOne LoOks Good IN thE PresEAson isn’t true either It’s 7 minutes to watch every preseason pass. Bonus PSA: My Quite looked bad in camp. trying to convince ppl online of anything is already a losing battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, peebag said: I don't get the argument here. Zach's the QB going into 2022. I don't think there's much else to say other than he'll just need to step it up. Not arguing that. Arguing against a commonly agreed on history some on JN subscribe to. It’s more often used to smear JD than Zach actually. 29 minutes ago, Drums said: Are you trying to insult Mike White or was that just autocorrect? I genuinely don’t know. I like Mike White. I think he can continue to develop and I’d love to see him back. I don’t think he’s the conspired against superstar some say he is. 30 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Can you post all these claims Zach looked bad in pre-season? All I recall was Zach looked like he belonged and everyone drooling over him. The knock was he never played against starters in the pre-season. It was such a talking point that there was an article that pointed out it is a positive that Zach is playing well against 2nd and 3rd tier talent because it is better than what he saw at BYU. IOW, some of the most rediculous arguments were made to defend him, not put him down. As a result, Zach Wilson led Jets posted historically bad numbers during the season and Zach has a lot to prove. Zach needs a better season this year and I think he will. This is not about that at all. In reply to your bolded question, I regularly see posts that ignore the history of last season and ignore the facts Zach had a good camp and preseason. I agree with your memory of it. I @ you in the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: You like the “they just gave it to Zach for free” narrative. Are you going to defend it? If not stop with the parroting it and acting like it’s an established fact. It comes up regularly. Well, they kinda did, but they didn't really have any better options with players on the roster. JD thought that other positions were more necessary than backup QB, and the reasoning makes sense. They didn't draft him at #2 to be backup, but they also have to recognize that giving players positions for free doesn't turn out well, even with hardworking players. Especially with Zach, QBs like him are competitive and need somebody to challenge the spot he's given. That's why I think he played so much better after the injury - because Mike White and Joe Flacco showed that what he had been doing wasn't good enough. Give him competition and he will play better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freestater Posted March 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2022 Zach looked better as the year went on, played less hero-ball. O-line was playing better but the WR crew was significantly worse by years end. How about this for a rare treat in Florham Park; a rookie QB getting to stay in the same system for a couple years at least, crazy huh? Mark me down for cautiously optimistic. Gonna depend wildly on the supporting cast we get him this offseason. Time for JD to wake up from the nap. No more mulligans left, Douglas. You used all of them on the front 9. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Does anyone know @Hal N of Provo address? I want to contact the police for a wellness check. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 20 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Does anyone know @Hal N of Provo address? I want to contact the police for a wellness check. As long as the police wear a salad bowl on their head while they visit that’s fine. I hate to force the helmets on others, but it protects me from mind control ray scatter, so I must insist. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Preseason is obviously a true barometer of how the player's career will pan out. Are the Jets retiring Ratliff and Clowney's jerseys this year? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 minute ago, maury77 said: Preseason is obviously a true barometer of how the player's career will pan out. Are the Jets retiring Ratliff and Clowney's jerseys this year? Not what I said. I refuted one hater talking point with a narrow scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: That’s not even the argument I’m trying to have. Haters like to pretend they just turned it over to Zach inexplicably. It’s fiction. They turned it over to Wilson the second they drafted him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 42 minutes ago, T0mShane said: They turned it over to Wilson the second they drafted him. Right. And in the preseason and camp it looked fine. He played very well. Anybody who drafted him at 2 would have played him day 1 with how well he played. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted March 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2022 Hal… Who hurt you? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: Not arguing that. Arguing against a commonly agreed on history some on JN subscribe to. It’s more often used to smear JD than Zach actually. I like Mike White. I think he can continue to develop and I’d love to see him back. I don’t think he’s the conspired against superstar some say he is. Zach needs a better season this year and I think he will. This is not about that at all. In reply to your bolded question, I regularly see posts that ignore the history of last season and ignore the facts Zach had a good camp and preseason. I agree with your memory of it. I @ you in the other thread. This is a creation in your own mind. Nobody said he was not good in pre-season (like that even means anything) Saying he wasn't ready to start the regular season is 100% accurate. Zach was a bottom of the league QB. How can you argue it was the right thing to do starting him. That is an insane position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: This is a creation in your own mind. Nobody said he was not good in pre-season (like that even means anything) Saying he wasn't ready to start the regular season is 100% accurate. Zach was a bottom of the league QB. How can you argue it was the right thing to do starting him. That is an insane position. After the preseason and camp he had who is going to sit him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 33 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: Right. And in the preseason and camp it looked fine. He played very well. Anybody who drafted him at 2 would have played him day 1 with how well he played. He threw 20 passes over two games in preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 Just now, T0mShane said: He threw 20 passes over two games in preseason. And hundreds against the starters in camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: And hundreds against the starters in camp. Thousands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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