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11 minutes ago, long time suffering Jets f said:

Welp Adams and Godwin have both been franchised. Jets with lots of cash to spend and quickly running out of options.

How is this different then any other year?  All of the top options will either get extended or franchise tagged.  

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25 minutes ago, long time suffering Jets f said:

Welp Adams and Godwin have both been franchised. Jets with lots of cash to spend and quickly running out of options.

Has the new league year even started… ?

 

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4 hours ago, Bronx said:

I partially agree that we shouldn't eat his contract. However, he would immediately be our #1. If he gets released, we would probably lose the chance of acquiring him.

He is a good player per below:

This past season, Cooper hauled in 68 of his 104 targets for 865 yards and eight touchdowns. Despite not being able to extend his three-season streak of 1,000 yards receiving, Cooper should expect to have a sizable market whenever he is released by the Cowboys. Cooper will also be able to sign with a new team immediately, even if this release comes prior to the start of the new league year
 

I disagree.  Moore, as a rookie, was on pace for a better season than that if he stays healthy. Moore is the Jets #1.  Corey Davis puts up 60/900/6 a season.  Cooper is not going to be worth the $17 million+ it will take to land him and he's not worth trading picks to acquire his bloated contract.  

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6 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Of course he does.  Thats why hes taking garrett wilson at 10 in the draft.

Davis, Moore, Wilson, Berrios and McBride.

Watchout!!!!

I would be happy with this BUT we need a top receiver this year to help Zach out. Sign Allen Robinson and draft Wilson and McBride and a guard a bit later. Then we'll be in business. The problem with relying on rookie WRs to help take Zach to the next level is that they don't really hit their stride until year 2 or 3. We need another proven really good receiver for next year. We have the money and the picks. We can still pick up an edge and corner and that's just the first two rounds!

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14 hours ago, Bronx said:

New York Jets 'ready to strike' in trade market to help Zach Wilson

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It's trash like this feeds the narrative that Offenses are wholly reliant on the quarterback... there's obvious correlation there with how competent the QB is, but it's the New York Wilsons... It should say to help the offense. 

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9 hours ago, Claymation said:

Garrett Wilson has a comp of Stephon Diggs. So if you draft him, you are in essence getting Stephon Diggs.

Man - they said zach wilson has a mix of Mahomes and Rodgers. So we are gonna get Aaron Mahomes?!?!

kind of a silly way to put things, no?

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5 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

I disagree.  Moore, as a rookie, was on pace for a better season than that if he stays healthy. Moore is the Jets #1.  Corey Davis puts up 60/900/6 a season.  Cooper is not going to be worth the $17 million+ it will take to land him and he's not worth trading picks to acquire his bloated contract.  

20M for a #1 WR, which Cooper is, isn’t a lot.  It won’t take a giant trade to get him either.

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2 hours ago, heymangold said:

20M for a #1 WR, which Cooper is, isn’t a lot.  It won’t take a giant trade to get him either.

He is not a sure #1.  I'd prefer they continue to develop Moore as the #1.  He's on the right path.  You'd be paying Cooper #1 money for #2 production, which is why he is on the way out of Dallas.  If he is a #1 why isn't Dallas keeping him? Lamb is supplanting him as the #1. If Moore isn't injured, he puts up numbers equal to Lamb's rookie season. If  Moore develops as expected, he will be the top target for the Jets next season and Cooper fights with Davis for #2 targets. Do  the Jets want to pay Cooper and Davis $30-35 million combined to catch 100-120 passes between them?  I don't think so.  Sign Berrios to a $10 million contract and fill in with a veteran or rookie at the #4 spot and whoever as #5.  Moore catches 80 passes next year for 1200 yards and 8-9 TDs. Davis goes 60/900/5 and Berrios 50/600/5.  That's a good receiving corps.  If that's not good enough, draft a WR with the #10 or one of the 2nd round picks and save $20 million.  

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11 hours ago, heymangold said:

Man - they said zach wilson has a mix of Mahomes and Rodgers. So we are gonna get Aaron Mahomes?!?!

kind of a silly way to put things, no?

Why is that? Comps are for style of plays and not their production. 

For the record, Zach's story is still unwritten.

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12 hours ago, heymangold said:

20M for a #1 WR, which Cooper is, isn’t a lot.  It won’t take a giant trade to get him either.

You're probably going to redo his deal anyway if you trade for him ... he's not got much security year on year and I'm sure JD could improve the cap hit aspect of it without too much trouble if he wanted to.

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On 3/8/2022 at 9:50 AM, Joe W. Namath said:

Again, we will sign mid tier guys like we did last year.  Blockbuster trades for Adams and Metcalf are never, ever happening.  A few mid tier free agents plus a killer draft, this team will be much better next year.

2023 is the year Douglas and Saleh have circled on their calendar so going all in is not in the cards this year.

There are very few killer drafts and the few that there are generally are an exception to the mean.   Chances are we draft to the mean and don't improve measurable from the rest of the league unless we are super special when it comes to developing players.  To date there is nothing that distinguishes Joe Douglas as a guy capable of drafting better than the rest of the league on average.  

The future of this team making a big jump in our ability to compete is directly tied to Zach Wilson becoming an elite QB.  It's much less risky to put proven talent around him to get him there then depend on drafting better than mean average players and doing an amazing job of coaching them up to NFL speed in 1 year.  

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13 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

He is not a sure #1.  I'd prefer they continue to develop Moore as the #1.  He's on the right path.  You'd be paying Cooper #1 money for #2 production, which is why he is on the way out of Dallas.  If he is a #1 why isn't Dallas keeping him? Lamb is supplanting him as the #1. If Moore isn't injured, he puts up numbers equal to Lamb's rookie season. If  Moore develops as expected, he will be the top target for the Jets next season and Cooper fights with Davis for #2 targets. Do  the Jets want to pay Cooper and Davis $30-35 million combined to catch 100-120 passes between them?  I don't think so.  Sign Berrios to a $10 million contract and fill in with a veteran or rookie at the #4 spot and whoever as #5.  Moore catches 80 passes next year for 1200 yards and 8-9 TDs. Davis goes 60/900/5 and Berrios 50/600/5.  That's a good receiving corps.  If that's not good enough, draft a WR with the #10 or one of the 2nd round picks and save $20 million.  

Too many drops and injuries last season.  
 

Davis can be good I think, but if he doesn’t step up, he can be cut after next season.  If he and Cooper are playing well, enjoy the production, pay them, and that’s the value of a rookie QB contract.  Those two WRs together cost less than a top QB. 

Moore needs to catch in traffic to be a WR1.   He did not do that last season.   He also needs to stay on the field.   I like him and his potential, but I’m not ready to bank on him being WR1 yet. 

The Jets need to spend money.  

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1 minute ago, Hal N of Provo said:

Too many drops and injuries last season.  
 

Davis can be good I think, but if he doesn’t step up, he can be cut after next season.  If he and Cooper are playing well, enjoy the production, pay them, and that’s the value of a rookie QB contract.  Those two WRs together cost less than a top QB. 
 

The Jets need to spend money.  

They do, but they need the player to come here. And they better not give out stupid money where it destroys the cap for years to come. Trumaine Johnson is an example of this.

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Just now, Claymation said:

They do, but they need the player to come here. And they better not give out stupid money where it destroys the cap for years to come. Trumaine Johnson is an example of this.

Cooper in the only target left.   60/ 3 years and a late draft pick.  

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1 minute ago, Claymation said:

They do, but they need the player to come here. And they better not give out stupid money where it destroys the cap for years to come. Trumaine Johnson is an example of this.

and that is the balance and why i don't kill JD for the way he has handled FA so far. The big splash is nice and gets everyone excited - until they turn into Trumaine and others. 

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On 3/8/2022 at 6:23 AM, Bronx said:

New York Jets 'ready to strike' in trade market to help Zach Wilson

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FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- When it comes to protecting his draft picks, New York Jets general manager Joe Douglas reminds me of Ben Stiller's character in the movie "Meet the Parents" -- specifically, the airplane scene in which Greg Focker snaps at a flight attendant who wants him to check his luggage.

"If you can get it from my kung-fu grip, then you can come and have it, OK?" he says, clutching the bag intensely against his chest.

Douglas has made 15 player trades in two-plus years on the job, not once parting with anything higher than a sixth-round selection. Yeah, he's had a vice-like grip on those picks.

Is this the year that it changes?

"If the right opportunity presents itself in the trade market," he said last week at the scouting combine, "we're ready to strike."

Sources say Douglas appears more willing than ever to make a bold trade, perhaps because he's under more pressure to win. He certainly has dropped plenty of hints since the end of the season, mentioning the team's deep draft portfolio (nine picks, including five in the first three rounds) and financial flexibility.

In other words, the Jets have the ammo to pull off a big deal. Whether they do it depends on how they view themselves.

The Jets are a tweener team, stuck somewhere between starting over and being "one piece away." They're actually closer to the former, coming off a 4-13 season, but there's no law that says a stage-two rebuilding team can't import a quality veteran. Player and position are the keys.

If they can acquire a player who helps second-year quarterback Zach Wilson -- paging wide receivers -- it absolutely makes sense to do a deal. Wilson's development is priority No. 1 for the organization, which has hitched its future to the former BYU star, whose rookie year (55.6 completion percentage, nine passing TDs in 13 starts) was underwhelming. This is why it's paying close attention to the receiver market.

A blue-chip receiver can make a huge difference. In 2020, the Buffalo Bills acquired Stefon Diggs in a blockbuster trade, sending their 2020 first-round pick and three Day 3 choices to the Minnesota Vikings. Diggs responded with an All-Pro season, helping to elevate quarterback Josh Allen and leading the Bills to the AFC Championship Game.

But those 2020 Bills, coming off a 10-6 season and wild-card appearance, were in a far better place than the '22 Jets. For the Bills, Diggs was that one player.

With four picks in the top 38, the Jets could find a top-shelf receiver in the draft, perhaps Garrett Wilson or Chris Olave from Ohio State, Treylon Burks from Arkansas or Drake London from USC. But there's a learning curve with a rookie and Wilson needs the help now, which makes the veteran market so intriguing for the Jets.

Coach Robert Saleh called it a "fine balance." You can find instant impact from the draft, but Saleh says 2021 rookie stars such as Ja'Marr Chase and Jaylen Waddle were anomalies for the Cincinnati Bengals and Miami Dolphins, respectively. Normally, it takes two or three years for a receiver to hit his full stride, he said.

"Then you look at what the Rams did, purchasing developed players already, but those guys come with a premium," Saleh said. "Buffalo did it with Stefon Diggs. You buy it at a premium, but are you at that point where you can make that jump because of the amount of things we have to get done as an organization to be able to put ourselves in those positions where it’s one or two players away? So there’s a balance."

Saleh raises a valid point -- clearly, the Jets are more than one or two players away -- but, again, it goes back to the quarterback. If Douglas finds a trade that can help accelerate Wilson's development, do it. It's called protecting your biggest investment.

Several veteran receivers are rumored to be on the trading block, including Amari Cooper (Dallas Cowboys), Robby Anderson (Carolina Panthers) and Jarvis Landry (Cleveland Browns). Each one is coming off a down year, but they're all under 30 with proven track records.

Cooper is expected to be released, which would mean no trade compensation but a big contract. Calvin Ridley (Atlanta Falcons) would've been an intriguing option, but he was suspended for at least the 2022 season for betting on games in 2021, the NFL announced Monday.

For Douglas, it comes down to a cost-value judgment if an opportunity arises.

There are mitigating factors when it comes to evaluating receivers, so don't get caught up in the stats. In 2015, former Jets GM Mike Maccagnan bought low on receiver Brandon Marshall, who had a subpar 2014. They got him for a fifth-round pick from the Chicago Bears, and Marshall responded with 109 catches and 1,502 yards, both franchise records.

Non-receivers reportedly available in trades are Cowboys defensive end DeMarcus Lawrence and New York Giants cornerback James Bradberry. Both are need positions for the Jets, but it's buyer beware because they can address those areas in the draft for a lot less money.

The Jets will be a fascinating team to watch over the next few weeks because their moves -- and non-moves -- will say a lot about how they view themselves and how much heat Douglas is feeling to get it turned around.

"We're going to get this team better," he said, "any avenue we can."

You missed the”Out” after strike in the title.

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38 minutes ago, Claymation said:

They do, but they need the player to come here. And they better not give out stupid money where it destroys the cap for years to come. Trumaine Johnson is an example of this.

Is not like we have any player who's worth any money

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2 hours ago, Biggs said:

There are very few killer drafts and the few that there are generally are an exception to the mean.   Chances are we draft to the mean and don't improve measurable from the rest of the league unless we are super special when it comes to developing players.  To date there is nothing that distinguishes Joe Douglas as a guy capable of drafting better than the rest of the league on average.  

The future of this team making a big jump in our ability to compete is directly tied to Zach Wilson becoming an elite QB.  It's much less risky to put proven talent around him to get him there then depend on drafting better than mean average players and doing an amazing job of coaching them up to NFL speed in 1 year.  

Even if we draft to the mean we essentially improve twice as much as other teams because we have basically 2 full drafts worth of picks including 4 of the first 38 picks and two top 10 picks. It is one of the highest amounts of draft capital ever from what I read. We should improve significantly from the draft as long as only bat .500

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On 3/8/2022 at 8:00 AM, The Crusher said:

I agree offensive line help and weapons will help more directly but at the same time playing behind as much as he did isn’t helpful either. I realize Zach was historically bad but the defense was also historically bad. Haha, 2000-2001 Jets.. Making history baby. 

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