Popular Post TinFoil Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 I think the Sauce should be the pick at 4. He won’t be there at 10 in my opinion. thoughts? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I am 100% convinced that if a player has catchy nickname their draft value increases a lot by fans. Remember how good Teez Tabour was going to be? Gardner is pretty good and TinFoil is probably correct, he probably will not last to 10 but that does not mean we have to take him at 4. I'll be disappointed if we took him due to how todays NFL is but I'd sure rather have him than Hamilton or Trayvon Walker. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peebag Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: I am 100% convinced that if a player has catchy nickname their draft value increases a lot by fans. Remember how good Teez Tabour was going to be? Gardner is pretty good and TinFoil is probably correct, he probably will not last to 10 but that does not mean we have to take him at 4. I'll be disappointed if we took him due to how todays NFL is but I'd sure rather have him than Hamilton or Trayvon Walker. You can imagine how disappointed I was with Deez Nutz. Dude could not carry the load. 1 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Even though the Saleh defense supposedly does not need elite CBs, which i do not believe, I believe that Sauce is likely to be the player that makes the biggest difference in the Jets' play-the player at 4 who is going to make the biggest difference in their record. That is assuming we believe that Thib is a headcase. Sauce will not make it to 10. Wilson, Walker or Jermaine Johnson will make it to 10. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinFoil Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 It’s not just because of a nickname the CB is legitimate imo Jermain Johnson at 10 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I really like Sauce and would have no problem taking him at 4 if they thought he won't be there at 10. That said I think because of the Ridley situation and the Seahawk situation we should go Edge at 4. I don't think either is a threat to take Sauce anymore I also want to see "WR1 gets lost in the Sauce" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, TinFoil said: It’s not just because of a nickname the CB is legitimate imo Jermain Johnson at 10 I could absolutely get behind Sauce + Johnson II. Would be a homerun. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinFoil Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 I think the hawks will nab him at 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinFoil Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 Hawks like CBs in the sauce mold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I am 100% convinced that if a player has catchy nickname their draft value increases a lot by fans. Remember how good Teez Tabour was going to be? Gardner is pretty good and TinFoil is probably correct, he probably will not last to 10 but that does not mean we have to take him at 4. I'll be disappointed if we took him due to how todays NFL is but I'd sure rather have him than Hamilton or Trayvon Walker. See the same issue. I think he's a great prospect and a complete player. I also think it doesn't matter much with the way the game is officiated. Coverage is impossible. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 @TinFoil you are not a newbie here, reveal yourself! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I wouldn’t ever take a CB over an Edge. I’m crushing Travon Walker. Like him much more than the edge guys who will be there at 10. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TinFoil Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bronx said: @TinFoil you are not a newbie here, reveal yourself! Um my name is Matthew? I lurk mostly. I gave Freestarter a hard time which I regret. But that’s about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinFoil Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 Travon is epic and would love the pick. I just see Gardener as a shut down corner. And Jermain Johnson as a top flight Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 @AFJF and I had a conversation today and we both said the same thing. Sauce isn't going to be there at 10. Taking him at 4 is looking like the pick. Free agency shapes things but with so many needs, they aren't going to spend on a CB in free agency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, TinFoil said: I think the Sauce should be the pick at 4. He won’t be there at 10 in my opinion. thoughts? If Thib or Hutchinson isn't available then this is a slam dunk. If they want to draft Ekwonu, I would be fine with that but only if the plan is to start him at LT. But Sauce must be the pick if we don't go the other routes. 10th is a position to draft the 1st or 2nd WR off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post More Cowbell Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 We need to draft him just so we can say the opposing WR is covered with sauce. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe Willie White Shoes Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 32 minutes ago, TinFoil said: Travon is epic and would love the pick. I just see Gardener as a shut down corner. And Jermain Johnson as a top flight Edge. There is no such thing as a shut down corner in today's NFL. And even if there were, with 3-4 WR sets, it doesn't make much difference any more. Defense is all about getting to the QB. A CB at 4 is a wasted pick IMO. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: I am 100% convinced that if a player has catchy nickname their draft value increases a lot by fans. Remember how good Teez Tabour was going to be? Gardner is pretty good and TinFoil is probably correct, he probably will not last to 10 but that does not mean we have to take him at 4. I'll be disappointed if we took him due to how todays NFL is but I'd sure rather have him than Hamilton or Trayvon Walker. Quentin Jammer. The perfect CB name doesn’t exis… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: There is no such thing as a shut down corner in today's NFL. And even if there were, with 3-4 WR sets, it doesn't make much difference any more. Defense is all about getting to the QB. A CB at 4 is a wasted pick IMO. Sack for loss > Pass Deflected sack fumble > interception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Gardiner at #4 Hamilton at #10 Our roster is terrible. We need help everywhere. Don’t make this harder than it is. Just take the two best players in round 1. Same thing in round 2. Then rinse and repeat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Green Ghost said: Gardiner at #4 Hamilton at #10 Our roster is terrible. We need help everywhere. Don’t make this harder than it is. Just take the two best players in round 1. Same thing in round 2. Then rinse and repeat. I think teams are realizing sacks for a loss, QB hurries/hits, batted balls, and strip sacks are far more game changing than passes deflected and interceptions. Heck some deep ball interceptions are glorified punts in a way. I’d love to have a couple guys with 10+ sacks, several batted balls and a couple forced fumbles than a DB group with 5-8 interceptions and a handful of batted balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, GangGreen Machine said: I think teams are realizing sacks for a loss, QB hurries/hits, batted balls, and strip sacks are far more game changing than passes deflected and interceptions. Heck some deep ball interceptions are glorified punts in a way. I’d love to have a couple guys with 10+ sacks, several batted balls and a couple forced fumbles than a DB group with 5-8 interceptions and a handful of batted balls. I’m not saying a good edge isn’t important, I’m saying we need help everywhere. As long as that’s the case, I want the two best players in the draft at #4 & 10, and I think Gardiner and Hamilton are those two guys. A lock down secondary can only help a pass rush, no? No player(s) we take in the 1st round are going to give us a winning record this year anyway. We can’t afford gambles. We need to draft “can’t miss guys”, and stockpile as much talent as we can, as quickly as we can because right now we’re similar to an expansion team. When that changes, we can look to draft positionally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I like the rule - don’t draft positions you won’t want to extend at market rate for the draft position. CB is fine in round 1. Make a board and draft. Get good players and don’t fall in love. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: I’m not saying a good edge isn’t important, I’m saying we need help everywhere. As long as that’s the case, I want the two best players in the draft at #4 & 10, and I think Gardiner and Hamilton are those two guys. A lock down secondary can only help a pass rush, no? No player(s) we take in the 1st round are going to give us a winning record this year anyway. We can’t afford gambles. We need to draft “can’t miss guys”, and stockpile as much talent as we can, as quickly as we can because right now we’re similar to an expansion team. When that changes, we can look to draft positionally. In a league that has rendered pass defense virtually impossible, using one of the two early picks on a DB would be stupid. Using both on DBs would be absurdly and ridiculously stupid. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Machine Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: I’m not saying a good edge isn’t important, I’m saying we need help everywhere. As long as that’s the case, I want the two best players in the draft at #4 & 10, and I think Gardiner and Hamilton are those two guys. A lock down secondary can only help a pass rush, no? No player(s) we take in the 1st round are going to give us a winning record this year anyway. We can’t afford gambles. We need to draft “can’t miss guys”, and stockpile as much talent as we can, as quickly as we can because right now we’re similar to an expansion team. When that changes, we can look to draft positionally. A lock down secondary isn’t what the NFL is about anymore unfortunately. I wish it was still that way but it just isn’t. Coordinators scheme guys open now. I’ll take a million Aaron Donald’s and TJ watts over any Trevon diggs or Stephon Gilmore’s in this day and age. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 hours ago, More Cowbell said: We need to draft him just so we can say the opposing WR is covered with sauce. this is right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 It would be ridiculous to pass on Hutch or Walker, for Gardner, when you can draft a pass rusher and a corner who might be just as good as Gardner at 10. McDuffie. He's 2 inches shorter. Not a disqualifier. He's just as good as Gardner. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doitny Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 i wouldnt pick a CB at 4 or 10. Hall and MC2 were pretty good. but if you cant get to the QB and give him all day to throw, either one of them or Gardner wont be able to cover the WR for long. the way they call penalties on CBs now im not sure teams get coverage sacks anymore. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Maxman said: @AFJF and I had a conversation today and we both said the same thing. Sauce isn't going to be there at 10. Taking him at 4 is looking like the pick. Free agency shapes things but with so many needs, they aren't going to spend on a CB in free agency. I’ll have to think about it 4 hours ago, More Cowbell said: We need to draft him just so we can say the opposing WR is covered with sauce. Done! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Beerfish said: I am 100% convinced that if a player has catchy nickname their draft value increases a lot by fans. Remember how good Teez Tabour was going to be? Gardner is pretty good and TinFoil is probably correct, he probably will not last to 10 but that does not mean we have to take him at 4. I'll be disappointed if we took him due to how todays NFL is but I'd sure rather have him than Hamilton or Trayvon Walker. Eli Apple anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I'm on the sauce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Pass rush closes out games and championships. Great secondaries (with no rush) can only up until…back to back afc title games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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