Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 34 minutes ago, Lith said: They had better make good use of that cap space this week. Yeah this is bull***t, though. They have SO much space next year there’s no reason to force-feed heavy cap hits this year and light ones next year. Not with so many rostered players under their rookie contracts just from 2021 and 2022’s drafts alone. I’m plenty of a draft hawk for certain players, but this is a self-inflicted wound that is easily healed, so the excuse isn’t totally/intellectually honest. Next year they’re sitting on some $100MM or more of cap space without cutting or restructuring or getting a pay cut from Mosley (nor Davis, nor JFM, nor C.Lawson if any don’t perform to their pay rate). If they actually wanted Cooper he was very, very easy to fit without screwing their future. (I’m not shooting you as the messenger; but I am shooting Hughes as the messenger here - despite his request - because it’s crap). 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, johnnysd said: I think Hughes is about $5 million low on the cap for the rookies. He’s right, it’s $19M cap space but because of how many picks the have the impact on the top 51 number is closer to $14M (a guy comes off the top 51 for each draft pick). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Love how our FA is now officially over according to Jets fans just because one player was traded elsewhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: It's not about the draft picks. It is about the $20 million per and the player. Cooper is known underachiever and is also known for coming up small in big spots. Read this: https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dallas-trade-amari-cooper-free-agency-quit-michael-gallup-dak-prescott#gid=ci029b562990002436&pid=jarvis-amari It seems every season ends like this for Cooper. He pads stats with some huge games and then disappears for others. Do some of you follow the sport? This has been the knock on him throughout his career. He doesn't fit what the Jets are building. Stop the whining. He isn't worth the trouble. I wish we had even 1 WR with enough ability that he could “pad his stats” here ?♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, derp said: You’re assuming they’re going to cut players, some of whom they’ll have to replace close to dollar for dollar if they cut them, and missing the $13M hit the draft class is going to require. It’s definitely not $60M. Yes. Impact players is how you win on the NFL. Play makers. Teams have playmakers and big contracts all over the field. Spend for good players. As we currently don’t have any. cap dollars will free up next year with the likes of Davis, Mosley and others. We have no real dead cap money. there’s plenty of cap space. Spend it. It’s time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Jets would not have to extend Metcalf. He has 2 rookie years left and potentially 2 tags, so they would control him for 4 years, and an extension would likely not increase the cap hit in the first 2 years. I don't think that Seattle will trade him but he is super young with true #1 capability. He is a bit of a head case so the Jets would need to make sure that can head in the right direction and not to Antonio Brown land. Respectfully I think his rookie deal is up this year, so we’d have the 2 tags but those numbers are going to be really high. It’s a move Joe D should make but won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Zach actually went to JD's office! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Our cap space needed for the draft is like $19.something million Dammmmmmnnnn!!! That's a high amount. Is that the pool of money as in the cash we'll have to spend year one? Cause only the top 53 guys counts. Nevertheless I get your point. We definitely need to be carefully spending wise. Esit: I see someone answered that in a post right above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Yeah this is bull***t, though. They have SO much space next year there’s no reason to force-feed heavy cap hits this year and light ones next year. Not with so many rostered players under their rookie contracts just from 2021 and 2022’s drafts alone. I’m plenty of a draft hawk for certain players, but this is a self-inflicted wound that is easily healed, so the excuser isn’t totally/intellectually honest. Next year they’re sitting on some $100MM or more of cap space without cutting or restructuring or getting a pay cut from Mosley (nor Davis, nor JFM, nor C.Lawson if any don’t perform to their pay rate). If they actually wanted Cooper he was very, very easy to fit without screwing their future. (I’m not shooting you as the messenger; but I am shooting Hughes as the messenger here - despite his request - because it’s crap). The Jets have cap and no talent, a team full of terrible players and JAGs and we are being picky, this is soooooo JETS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said: Love how our FA is now officially over according to Jets fans just because one player was traded elsewhere. It's a board full of Beningos and Greenys. They are not happy unless they complain. They reacted to losing Robbie Anderson like the Jets lost Wesley Walker. Now you mention Anderson and its crickets. Cooper now joins the Browns and their dysfunctional passing game. Let's see how that works out and where Cooper is a year from now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, SR24 said: Yeah exactly and DK is going to be significantly more expensive to acquire and then to extend. But DK is an actual big time #1 WR that would change the way defenses play against us and open up the field. Plus he's only 24. That's the type of guy you want to be aggressive going after and spend resources on if you want to give your young QB the best chance at success IMO. Of course he's more expensive. If he's tradeable the Jets should push hard to make it happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: meh - I had a hard time getting excited about this guy. He's not a dominant #1 type guy. Don't get me wrong - good WR - and probably a #1 but I don't think he's a guy that changes the way defenses plan. Check out CeeDee Lambs numbers next year. They'll be down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, Sperm Edwards said: Yeah this is bull***t, though. They have SO much space next year there’s no reason to force-feed heavy cap hits this year and light ones next year. Not with so many rostered players under their rookie contracts just from 2021 and 2022’s drafts alone. I’m plenty of a draft hawk for certain players, but this is a self-inflicted wound that is easily healed, so the excuser isn’t totally/intellectually honest. Next year they’re sitting on some $100MM or more of cap space without cutting or restructuring or getting a pay cut from Mosley (nor Davis, nor JFM, nor C.Lawson if any don’t perform to their pay rate). If they actually wanted Cooper he was very, very easy to fit without screwing their future. (I’m not shooting you as the messenger; but I am shooting Hughes as the messenger here - despite his request - because it’s crap). I still don’t think they’re in borrow from next year to improve this year mode, and frankly I don’t think they should be unless they’re at the level of a playoff team. The teams who we see doing that - KC, Dallas, Green Bay - are legit contenders. Then there’s teams like New Orleans who were and are paying for it now. I think that’s the kind of move you make to extend your window of being competitive, not open it. And I get the impact on Wilson’s development, which I think is the argument you can make for maxing out a little more this year. We’ll see how that evolves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Only Jet fans will cry about a receiver that any team who has him cant wait to get rid of him while we have an elite wr prospect in garrett wilson staring us in the face at 10. Its really just unbelievable this fanbase. Only jets fans have gone 11 years since a playoff game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted March 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2022 50 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Haha, Browns have done everything to help Mayfield. Jets do not. FU Joe Douglas FU. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Yes. Impact players is how you win on the NFL. Play makers. Teams have playmakers and big contracts all over the field. Spend for good players. As we currently don’t have any. cap dollars will free up next year with the likes of Davis, Mosley and others. We have no real fear cap money. there’s plenty of cap space. Spend it. It’s time. You’re just repeating your initial post, minus the cap figure. You’re absolutely entitled to your belief about how they should build a team, but the 2022 cap figure you presented was wrong and misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 minute ago, The Crusher said: Haha, Browns have done everything to help Mayfield. Jets do not. FU Joe Douglas FU. You forgot a very important detail... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Only Jet fans will cry about a receiver that any team who has him cant wait to get rid of him while we have an elite wr prospect in garrett wilson staring us in the face at 10. Its really just unbelievable this fanbase. And we still have mims. too soon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, johnnysd said: I think Hughes is about $5 million low on the cap for the rookies. I actually learned this the other day, drafting rookies push the bottom 9 players off the cap since only the top 51 count against the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Jets would not have to extend Metcalf. He has 2 rookie years left and potentially 2 tags, so they would control him for 4 years, and an extension would likely not increase the cap hit in the first 2 years. I don't think that Seattle will trade him but he is super young with true #1 capability. He is a bit of a head case so the Jets would need to make sure that can head in the right direction and not to Antonio Brown land. DK is in the final year of his deal, he was a 2nd round pick. So really 1 year + 2 tags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: But DK is an actual big time #1 WR that would change the way defenses play against us and open up the field. Plus he's only 24. That's the type of guy you want to be aggressive going after and spend resources on if you want to give your young QB the best chance at success IMO. Of course he's more expensive. If he's tradeable the Jets should push hard to make it happen. Oh I agree he’s been my #1 WR target but I just don’t think Joe D will trade the premium and then extend him at $20+mil a year. I’d be pumped if he did, but I don’t see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: For those who are mad we didn't go after Cooper, how exactly were we going to fix the team in FA with Cooper taking up $20M of the $48M cap space we have? Plus our first 5 picks in the draft are going to count against the cap, not to memtion a high amount coming from the 4th and 10th overall picks. We're talking probably $9-16M in cap space. This isn’t true, though, unless they want it to be so. Douglas isn’t Ma Kettle balancing her checkbook. The Jets are locked into so little after this year it’s ridiculous to use that as an excuse. https://overthecap.com/calculator/new-york-jets/ Here — tap on 2023 and have fun playing. Also no team with any credibility would sign new players, front-load each of their contract unnecessarily, and then cry poverty for the current season. Making new contracts hit more as the cap rises isn’t what screws the future; it’s more when teams are already so screwed that they get deeper into it by creating fluff voidable years that don’t exist and repeatedly stretch restructured signing bonuses into seasons where the players won’t even be under contract. And even then most find a way to be competitive. It’s an excuse that bites without any teeth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 41 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: The Browns pulled the deal. Hahahahahaha. Nothing more needs to be said. Thank you Joe Douglas! Thank you!!! Browns have built a nice offense around Baker. But go ahead, do you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 LoL This joke GM and bald headed liar HC think they will roll out a “improved” defense and and some rookie and JAG a** WR’s in this modern NFL……. 3 - 4 wins HERE WE COME! The key should be improving the offense period. You have a rookie QB JD who historically struggled you big idiot tool, you can’t handle this offseason with the same approach!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, FidelioJet said: I think more SOJF are afraid of spending money to bring in good players in their prime. Because that’s exact what Cooper is. Stop being scared a get players to help the team win. Well your answer is right in your post. He is a good player. He is certainly not elite and is a serious underachiever and disappears completely on Dallas teams that have more weapons than we do. And $20 million is a LOT of opportunity cost. Had he been released, signing him would have been a different conversation but Cleveland was willing to take his entire salary. And he is a one year rental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, SR24 said: Respectfully I think his rookie deal is up this year, so we’d have the 2 tags but those numbers are going to be really high. It’s a move Joe D should make but won’t. Yes I thought he was a low first rounder. That would affect things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 @bla bla bla We talked about Seattle as a trading partner last night on your show (especially the guy dumping $5 on a stupid trade idea for DK). I just don't see them dealing with us at all. For those proposing Seahawks as a trading partner, please share the blunt! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Well your answer is right in your post. He is a good player. He is certainly not elite and is a serious underachiever and disappears completely on Dallas teams that have more weapons than we do. And $20 million is a LOT of opportunity cost. Had he been released, signing him would have been a different conversation but Cleveland was willing to take his entire salary. And he is a one year rental I promise you coop is better then anything JD will bring in here. Watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, derp said: He’s right, it’s $19M cap space but because of how many picks the have the impact on the top 51 number is closer to $14M (a guy comes off the top 51 for each draft pick). Well that's good. I had the read the $19 million figure many times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, SR24 said: Oh I agree he’s been my #1 WR target but I just don’t think Joe D will trade the premium and then extend him at $20+mil a year. I’d be pumped if he did, but I don’t see it Is he even on the block? I have heard only that DK Metcalf is NOT on the block. Why the hand wringing and wishful thinking for a player that is under contract with another team? And if he were to go on the block, does anyone really see Seattle trading him to the Jets after the Adams trade? This is real life, not the Draft Day movie or some Madden game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Yes I thought he was a low first rounder. That would affect things. Yep if we had 2yrs of control I’d pay pretty much whatever they wanted lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSALLDAY24X Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Who ever was in the market for a wide receiver that cost 20 millon and requires draft picks should stick to playing Madden. Have y'all seen the past 2 drafts with receivers taken in the first 2 rounds? Receivers grow in trees. Quality QB's Oline+Pass rushers don't and that should be the focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, oatmeal said: The Jets have cap and no talent, a team full of terrible players and JAGs and we are being picky, this is soooooo JETS Like I said, let’s see if they still sit on their hands and accept table scraps in FA. The nice part about trading for Cooper would’ve been a lack of need to not just outbid other teams - including those in low/zero tax and/or sunny weather states - but further just flat-out convincing them to come here instead of to a good team. If he ends up with Robinson at $16MM I’m not going to be pissed about missing out on a couple day 3 picks for Cooper at $20MM. If he ends up with Keelan Cole & TY Hilton? I likely won’t be thrilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Haha, Browns have done everything to help Mayfield. Jets do not. FU Joe Douglas FU. Has it worked? Just doing stuff doesn't mean you are building a SB team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Is he even on the block? I have heard only that DK Metcalf is NOT on the block. Why the hand wringing and wishful thinking for a player that is under contract with another team? And if he were to go on the block, does anyone really see Seattle trading him to the Jets after the Adams trade? This is real life, not the Draft Day movie or some Madden game. All great points, exactly why I don’t think there’s even 1% chance we get him. “Hey Seattle we’ll give you your pick back if you give us your only good remaining player” ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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