Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted March 15, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: Doesn't sound like a guy I'd want. He's 26 so I'm a bit skeptical on the "on the downside of his athleticism" part of that post. I know some of y'all peaked in HS but we're talking about NFL players here. 2 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92ShaunEllis92 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: He's 26 so I'm a bit skeptical on the "on the downside of his athleticism" part of that post. I know some of y'all peaked in HS but we're talking about NFL players here. Undersized LBers, like RBs in general, tend to show their wear & tear after 5+ years in the league and their diminishing returns become quite evident rather drastically - Sam Mills and Zach Thomas being exceptions - Jack has the goods and history within the scheme and CS, but he’s not a top dollar talent anymore and I wouldn’t commit too much $$$ or years if the Jets pursued him. My 2¢ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaconJet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, football guy said: Jeff Ulbrich was his coach at UCLA as well. A lot of ties to the current staff. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I know some of y'all peaked in HS.... Lord knows I certainly did.... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenReaper Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 37 minutes ago, AlexVanDyke said: This would be a great signing. He fits the saleh template for smaller faster LBs, he is very productive and has been his whole career and he knows our staff. Jack signed a larger contract 4 years ago and has a big number. This is a case of new coach, fresh approach and getting rid of a big cap number. It’s not a red flag. He is a good football player. We should not fall into trap of not getting guys bc they were in bad teams. I assure Jax was not so bad because of Jack. He was a very productive member of the good jax teams a few years ago and like o said, got a new contract with a large cap number this year. this could be really fortuitous for us Like many have said here. I'm not that familiar with Jack's play. But if Saleh is...and wants to pursue Jack. Then I'll trust that knowledge Saleh has of him to be an upgrade and good fit for the defense. Opportunities like this do happen in the frantic FA...ya know.. Hell...it's only Mar. 15th. 2022 FA...gonna be a wild ride. Enjoy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 34 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I'm trying to look at his contract details and it seems overthecap.com is broken. Does that site work for anyone else or is it just dead now? I guess you could say it’s been a casualty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 108 total tackles last year and only 26 years old doesn't sound too bad. His PFF grade from last year is horrendous though 37.7 but I know PFF isn't the end all be all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolchak Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 This would be a good signing for the Jets. Even if it's just to rehash the Darron Lee material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, Warfish said: Lord knows I certainly did.... same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManCave Analyst Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I watch his play quite often , because I often draft him on several of my fantasy teams that you play with defensive players. He is a 26 year old 6’1” and 255 lb linebacker who is a tackling machine. He is able to go sideline to sideline to stop the run. Not really sure about how coaches rate his coverage skills , because I focus my on his ability to tackle. Jacksonville drafted him with the 5th pick in round 2 because I believe his draft stock dropped coming off an injury. If your an NFL coach and can’t refine his playing skills to play for you, then you Should be Fired. I’ve never heard anything bad about his attitude or willingness to play. It’s my opinion to Claim him off waivers , find a way to coach him up , and sign him to an extension.Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 47 minutes ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said: Undersized LBers, like RBs in general, tend to show their wear & tear after 5+ years in the league and their diminishing returns become quite evident rather drastically - Sam Mills and Zach Thomas being exceptions - Jack has the goods and history within the scheme and CS, but he’s not a top dollar talent anymore and I wouldn’t commit too much $$$ or years if the Jets pursued him. My 2¢ Jack is 6’1”. Mills and Thomas were 5’9” and 5’11”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 55 minutes ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said: Undersized LBers, like RBs in general, tend to show their wear & tear after 5+ years in the league and their diminishing returns become quite evident rather drastically - Sam Mills and Zach Thomas being exceptions - Jack has the goods and history within the scheme and CS, but he’s not a top dollar talent anymore and I wouldn’t commit too much $$$ or years if the Jets pursued him. My 2¢ Is he undersized? I thought he was like 6'2" and 250 or so. Could be wrong but I don't remember him being undersized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I always liked the guy even when he was at UCLA as a swing defense/offense player. I thought he was a key player for them on defense but I guess this is probably about money. Interested to see if there is interest in him and where he signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92ShaunEllis92 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Jack is 6’1”. Mills and Thomas were 5’9” and 5’11”. 3 minutes ago, Maxman said: Is he undersized? I thought he was like 6'2" and 250 or so. Could be wrong but I don't remember him being undersized. I recall that was the knock on him in ‘16 and why he plummeted to the 2nd round that year when many projected him to go top 15. I stand corrected as he’s bigger than I thought, but it does seem like he’s be a fit if he still has his speed and isn’t too costly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said: I recall that was the knock on him in ‘16 and why he plummeted to the 2nd round that year when many projected him to go top 15. I stand corrected as he’s bigger than I thought, but it does seem like he’s be a fit if he still has his speed and isn’t too costly. I thought the issue when he was drafted was whether he'd be a S or LB in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 I was opposed to signing Myles Jack until I remembered the guy he’d be replacing is Blake Cashman. 2 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: I'm trying to look at his contract details and it seems overthecap.com is broken. Does that site work for anyone else or is it just dead now? Probably just too much traffic this time of year. It has become 'The' go to resource for every one in football. Jason has done a tremendous job with that project. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 This is why LBs and safeties are still a low priority position, every year teams dump those players first for cap reasons. The jets should be able to upgrade lb with a sound vet or two for a reasonable price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I thought we all loved Muma? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzyJet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I don't even know why this would be a hard decision. signing Jack is the biggest no brainer move I've ever seen and I'd be shocked if he's not a Jet by the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Probably just too much traffic this time of year. It has become 'The' go to resource for every one in football. Jason has done a tremendous job with that project. yea I mean it's an excellent site but if it doesn't work it's useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Warfish said: Nor have I. I'm admittedly unfamiliar with the player. But I think it's a question worth asking: Why was he cut by the worst team in the NFL last year when money clearly wasn't an issue, and he was their best LB? If there is a good answer, ok. If not... Detroit traded Laken Tomlinson for nothing after drafting him in round 1. They've cut or virtually given away (for low draft picks) plenty of others who did well elsewhere. So Jacksonville wouldn't exactly be breaking new ground here. He's a cap casualty, not a guy they benched. Every team makes priority choices because they don't have unlimited cap/resources. They chose Kirk & Scherff for $40MM/year (and more). Something's gotta give. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, Sperm Edwards said: Detroit traded Laken Tomlinson for nothing after drafting him in round 1. That's because he wasn't terribly good for them. He didn't become good till he got to the 49'ers. Not an apples to apples situation. Just now, Sperm Edwards said: So Jacksonville wouldn't exactly be breaking new ground here. No, no one in the NFL is the first at anything at this point. Doesn't really mean much. Just now, Sperm Edwards said: He's a cap casualty, not a guy they benched. Every team makes priority choices because they don't have unlimited cap/resources. They chose Kirk & Scherff for $40MM/year (and more). Something's gotta give. Most teams don't drop their best LB when they have a ton of cap space to spend, just to spend it elsewhere and still need a LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 24 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: yea I mean it's an excellent site but if it doesn't work it's useless. Worked yesterday for me and the day before and the day before. I've never had it not work to be honest. And lo and behold i just went there and no issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share Posted March 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Worked yesterday for me and the day before and the day before. I've never had it not work to be honest. And lo and behold i just went there and no issues. Must be me. What browser are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: That's because he wasn't terribly good for them. He didn't become good till he got to the 49'ers. Not an apples to apples situation. No, no one in the NFL is the first at anything at this point. Doesn't really mean much. Most teams don't drop their best LB when they have a ton of cap space to spend, just to spend it elsewhere and still need a LB. The greater point is that just because a bad team is moving on from a player doesn't make the player worthless. Jack has been an injury concern since before he was drafted. The last 3 seasons he missed 5, 2, and 2 starts (on top of the games he left early). Sometimes teams make a decision and it's just a wrong one e.g. Jets going with Avery Williamson over Demario Davis. Part of the reason some teams are bad is they do make bad decisions like that. Or maybe there's a personal issue between him & Lawrence and there's nothing to decide as to which one sticks. Or maybe there's a good reason why not, that they're keenly aware of, and that's also a good reason to stay away. I wouldn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: The greater point is that just because a bad team is moving on from a player doesn't make the player worthless. Oh aye, of course not. 8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Jack has been an injury concern since before he was drafted. The last 3 seasons he missed 5, 2, and 2 starts (on top of the games he left early). Sometimes teams make a decision and it's just a wrong one e.g. Jets going with Avery Williamson over Demario Davis. Fair. 8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Part of the reason some teams are bad is they do make bad decisions like that. Like us. 8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Or maybe there's a personal issue between him & Lawrence and there's nothing to decide as to which one sticks. Or maybe there's a good reason why not, that they're keenly aware of, and that's also a good reason to stay away. I wouldn't know. I think what I'd wanted to hear is a cogent argument for why we Jets Fans should want the Jets (another bad team who makes bad decisions) to sign the guy. To get to that, asking why a horrible team would let their best LB go is a valid question, I think. "They're dumb" isn't really a serious answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Warfish said: Then why is the worst team in the NFL, who had money to spare, cutting their leading tackler? Horrible teams don't usually cut "good young players" when trying to get gud, do they? Thats what the Saints thought ...Vilma...etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Thats what the Saints thought ...Vilma...etc But the answer there was clear: System Change, and New Regime didn't see him fitting in their scheme. If that is the answer here, that's fine. Just hadn't heard that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelScott Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: But the answer there was clear: System Change, and New Regime didn't see him fitting in their scheme. If that is the answer here, that's fine. Just hadn't heard that. Fwiw, it is a new (coaching) regime. I'd be lying if I said I knew a ton about Pederson's D scheme compared to Myers, but it could certainly be a factor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: But the answer there was clear: System Change, and New Regime didn't see him fitting in their scheme. If that is the answer here, that's fine. Just hadn't heard that. Quote After years of running an old Seattle-based scheme that was outdated in today's NFL, the Jaguars are shifting to more of a 3-4/4-3 scheme that in and of itself allows for a more multiple defense.Aug 3, 2021 The Jets and Niners are running that old Seattle-based scheme that was outdated in today's NFL. That contributed to Jack having a sh*t rating in 2021. Caldwell will be running them this year, but he has basically been running with Bowles - he was the Jets ILB coach under Bowles and Bowles runs a 3-4. Jack was set to make over $10M which is why nobody traded for him. They decided they would rather have Kirk and Scherff than an LB that doesn't fit their scheme. He might be a nice pickup for the Jets. I wouldn't break the bank, but it is a sensible want. Quincy Williams came over last year for the same reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswinbaby! Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Tranquilo said: More like Myles Jet? Or Frequent Flier Myles Jet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Maxman said: Is he undersized? I thought he was like 6'2" and 250 or so. Could be wrong but I don't remember him being undersized. How dare you use facts to ruin a perfectly good argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Warfish said: Oh aye, of course not. Fair. Like us. I think what I'd wanted to hear is a cogent argument for why we Jets Fans should want the Jets (another bad team who makes bad decisions) to sign the guy. To get to that, asking why a horrible team would let their best LB go is a valid question, I think. "They're dumb" isn't really a serious answer. How about he isn't a scheme fit. Is that serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: I was opposed to signing Myles Jack until I remembered the guy he’d be replacing is Blake Cashman. And Cashman has already been ruled out for Weeks 1-4 after stretching too hard for the remote. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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