Joe D, his philosophy - dragging us into a respectable org like the Ravens

[BornJetsFan1983]

We all know his history, how he learned in BAL etc, we have all seen the contracts he has signed etc. I thought it was just remarkable to see us lose out on M Williams or see Moses sign elsewhere. But it is a a stark reminder of where we want to be. M Williams was not signing with the NY Jets at that price, nor Moses at that price - regardless if we offered that money or not.

Joe offers guys what he thinks they are valued not what the market says they are worth and not a cent more. He doesn't pay the crappy team tax like so many before him have. By sticking to his guns with players he might lose out on so called top guys but he is building something more than just a good roster the right way. He is building a foundation for future negotiations and a reputation.

For every so called home run FA that wants top money, we have lost out on them in recent years because of cost. But we ahve also avoided the big over priced busts of years past. Look what Macc did with Mosely - just kept adding money till the ravens wouldn't, nor any team would match. Players used Macc and Jets GM's before him to inflate their contract offers with out ever having any intention to sign in NY. Years of that led to Mosely, Johnson, Bell  or guys like Barr etc...we just give out a little extra cash cause we needed that guy right? No we didn't need that guy and that is how our became so bad on top of bad drafts. Thanks to multiple seasons of Joe those days are gone and we are seeing the fruits of those efforts today with our recent S, TE and CB signings, 

M Williams was not coming here for that contract - it would've take the MAC approach of over paying him even more, and Williams would have been all to happy to entertain desperate offers to jack up him contract with where he ended up going. The jets are no longer that team used to bump up negotiations and i think overall we are all happy with that. 

Then there is a guy like Moses and when he signed in Baltimore it didn't sound too outrageous, i mean why didn't Joe keep him a Jet at that reasonable price? I think that is because Moses would have never signed that offer if it were from NY. 

This might be the first off season where our fans are happy with this approach. It has been like this since Joe's first day but the team was so bad we felt like we needed that flashy new toy, but slow and steady was always is best way to build a winner. The Ravens are a winner and they can offer and get a discount for players compared to worse teams. That is not because of Ray Lewis and our retuning QB joe Flacco super bowl years ago, It is because of years of good GM actions/negotiations and drafts including up to last year. 

We are not there yet but we are only a winning season away from becoming that team players use bad teams to try to negotiate their deals with us. Ok well maybe a couple winning seasons, but thanks to Joe we are slowly being dragged out of the hole years of bad decisions got us into.

I just said ravens because we saw them be the team this year that got a top guy that we did not chase after and the team that we lost a guy to. Neither one was going to take the Jets offer. But this could be any good team.

[Beerfish]

He is a superior planner, excellent at keeping things under the lid, he is very disciplined in his approach and is a master so far in accumulating resources.

HOWEVER

If he does not hit it out of the park with this draft his fate is not certain (oh he will be here longer won't get fired but my confidence in him will be shot).

In the end a GMs success is all about being a good drafter unless you already have a franchise qb who can drag you along.

He has the best draft resources of any team in the league this year, he has to have the best draft.

[Matt39]

Win some games 

[peekskill68]

All well and good provided he hits on his draft picks.   Still waiting to see if he's more Newsome or Idzik...

[Paradis]

despite kicking and screaming the whole way thus far, we're being drug along as well

[FidelioJet]

The team is the most professional, organized and well run I can ever remember...

But we need to hit on players.

 

[BigRy56]

JD has done a great job at resetting, acquiring an abnormal amount of assets, etc. Now it is time to execute and win some games this year. He is off to a great start in free agency. He has to take it home and then knock this draft out of the park. If he does that, this team is winning consistently sooner rather than later and he is our GM for a long time.

[Warfish]

15 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Win some games 

7-9

2-14

4-13

That is the Joe Douglas Era to-date.

His moves this offseason seem pretty good, and he's a heck of a trader, but ultimately a GM has to build a team that wins.

So far, we're not that.  Hopefully that changes in 2022.

 

[20andOut]

14 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He is a superior planner, excellent at keeping things under the lid

All of our recent prior front offices were sieves with every reporter in town getting fed info by someone in FO. Now, nothing

[rangerous]

16 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He is a superior planner, excellent at keeping things under the lid, he is very disciplined in his approach and is a master so far in accumulating resources.

HOWEVER

If he does not hit it out of the park with this draft his fate is not certain (oh he will be here longer won't get fired but my confidence in him will be shot).

In the end a GMs success is all about being a good drafter unless you already have a franchise qb who can drag you along.

He has the best draft resources of any team in the league this year, he has to have the best draft.

that's just stating the obvious.  he's all set up for a huge win in this draft.  it's going to be hard to miss like mac or idzik.  i mean it can still happen but it's just not likely.  i think people will also judge the 2020 draft in a different light after this season.

[kevinc855]

This is to much ball washing for me. We have sucked under his tenure so far BUT

If we develop into a contender I will happily eat crow. When the wins start coming I’m getting on the JD train 

[Beerfish]

1 minute ago, rangerous said:

that's just stating the obvious.  he's all set up for a huge win in this draft.  it's going to be hard to miss like mac or idzik.  i mean it can still happen but it's just not likely.  i think people will also judge the 2020 draft in a different light after this season.

Not sure I know what you mean?  The 2020 draft is mac and idzik like.

[68JET11]

If he drafts the players I've mentioned, he'll do fine lol...

Seriously, all GM's hit and miss, if he add to this team with as many starters as last year he's on his way to doing better than 2021. Like a few have said, he's got enough draft pieces in the first 3 rounds to put at least 4 in the starting lineul. That's all we can ask for from him as a GM. The rest is up to the coaches to make this team win. 

[rangerous]

11 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Not sure I know what you mean?  The 2020 draft is mac and idzik like.

could be there were a few late bloomers like mims, zuniga and even perine.  about the only thing people care about from that draft is becton.

[Embrace the Suck]

Joe D, his philosophy - dragging us into a respectable org like the Ravens

All the while a good percentage has been like...

[addage]

29 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He is a superior planner, excellent at keeping things under the lid, he is very disciplined in his approach and is a master so far in accumulating resources.

HOWEVER

If he does not hit it out of the park with this draft his fate is not certain (oh he will be here longer won't get fired but my confidence in him will be shot).

In the end a GMs success is all about being a good drafter unless you already have a franchise qb who can drag you along.

He has the best draft resources of any team in the league this year, he has to have the best draft.

I appreciate the sentiment!!!

But, if you set the employment standard as "hit it out of the park", you are dooming yourself and the Jets to continued misery.

Yes, the Jets have had really, really poor gm's for decades.  Johnny Lam Jones?  Vernon Gholston?  Blair Thomas?  Just writing those names gives you a case of nausea.

But you have to adopt a teenager's view of the world--That was then, this is now.

So now we have JD.  And, of course, he screwed up big time with his first draft.  So we began with a "here we go again" reaction.  And we don't know whether Wilson is the real deal.  I'm hopeful, but its a crap shoot still.

But since then, he has been excellent.  Fixed the cap.  Managed trades at a "hit it out of the park" level.  Hired what looks to be a strong coaching staff.  And has steadily added reasonable, but cost effective, vets through FA.  He has built the OL to very good and--if Becton is ok--an excellent OL.

I hope he hits it out of the park, but I don't think he has to to keep his job.  He has a lot of capital.  He needs 2-4 early contributors and another 2 developmental players.  If he does that, he has transformed the team.

We all want more.  We want Zach to be the starting QB we haven't had for decades.  And we want JD to hit on 4-5 of his early round picks with another 2-3 developmental players.

I don't think we are a playoff team this year.  But I am assuming we will be knocking on the door really hard.  And that we are set up to contest with Buffalo in 2023.

 

[TuscanyTile2]

41 minutes ago, Warfish said:

7-9

2-14

4-13

That is the Joe Douglas Era to-date.

His moves this offseason seem pretty good, and he's a heck of a trader, but ultimately a GM has to build a team that wins.

So far, we're not that.  Hopefully that changes in 2022.

 

He was along for the ride in the 7-9 season.  But this is the season we hired him for.  The one where he finally puts his stamp on the team.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

39 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Not sure I know what you mean?  The 2020 draft is mac and idzik like.

It’s really quite baffling. Would love to know how he whiffed so bad at that draft. 
Feel like he’s got the right philosophy and approach. And 2021 looks a lot better.
Was he not on the same page with the coaches? Just still too new? Or just plain ol bad luck?

Either way, hope this draft is more like last year and that one we can put behind us. 

[varjet]

If the Jets are not much better this season, or if this draft initially looks like 2020, JD will not get the 2023 draft.  
 

If the Jets are not in playoffs or at least in the playoff hunt in 2023, JD will not get the 2024 draft (or if he does, it will be the last year of his contract).  
 

I think that is a fair approach for both sides. 

[Darnold's Forehead]

What is he compared to our previous GMs?  It's easy to point out the team's lack of success and put the blame on him.  He's the GM, so it's only natural, but he came to a team with sh*t for starters and even worse sh*t for depth, all thanks to his predecessors.  He's had to overpay for depth, overpay for starters and we've been the worst team in the league regarding injuries so far in his tenure.  He didn't hire Gase, he didn't draft Sam, he's been smart in FA despite the unfortunate injuries, and he's 1 for 2 in drafting.

And for everyone saying "The Jets have all these picks, he needs to nail the draft"...  Sure, but he's the one who got us these picks, so he's already done a great job there, and that's something you cannot take away from him regardless of his first "Gase" draft.

The inability of some people around here to distinguish his level-headed and smart thinking from our previous disasters at GM is both alarming and sad.  I honestly fear we'll need to worry about Saleh before JD, because it's not always a talent issue (as displayed by our defense this year).

[AFJF]

Some of the best GM's and head coaches in the history of the NFL have had multiple atrocious draft classes.  I'm talking embarrassing lists of guys who never did a damn thing in the league.  Yet somehow, Joe Douglas, who has had what looks to be one bad class and one outstanding class, MUST have a home run draft OR ELSE!  

Year one he found two starters at premium positions in Hall and Becton.  The Becton injuries could obviously cut his career short but as of today, he's a talent with limitless potential with some things to prove.  This will be his year to do that.  If he even comes close to his ceiling, it's two high level starters at premium positions and possibly a backup safety type in Asytyn Davis.  Two premium position starters and a backup isn't a bad class.  Throw Braden Mann in the mix and it looks even better.

Year two he trades up to take a guy who will be a multi-time pro bowler in AVT, a WR who will probably be the best WR this team has drafted in my 36 years as a fan, a starting RB, nickel back and several other players who will be anywhere from spot starter to special teamer to out of the NFL.

The best GMs on the planet hit on roughly 50% of their picks.  Douglas has a very real shot at being well over 50% through his first two drafts.  But sure, he had some misses, so he's gotta bat 1.000 this year or he's gone.

SMH

[southparkcpa]

3 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Win some games 

Fukkin ay….  We are about the 3rd worst team in the league and i like what i see so far in FA but end of the day…. We can’t seem to win more than 6 games a year and JDs 1st draft is amongst the worst we’ve had in years.   He’s getting better…. But lets see. 

[southparkcpa]

54 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Some of the best GM's and head coaches in the history of the NFL have had multiple atrocious draft classes.  I'm talking embarrassing lists of guys who never did a damn thing in the league.  Yet somehow, Joe Douglas, who has had what looks to be one bad class and one outstanding class, MUST have a home run draft OR ELSE!  

Year one he found two starters at premium positions in Hall and Becton.  The Becton injuries could obviously cut his career short but as of today, he's a talent with limitless potential with some things to prove.  This will be his year to do that.  If he even comes close to his ceiling, it's two high level starters at premium positions and possibly a backup safety type in Asytyn Davis.  Two premium position starters and a backup isn't a bad class.  Throw Braden Mann in the mix and it looks even better.

Year two he trades up to take a guy who will be a multi-time pro bowler in AVT, a WR who will probably be the best WR this team has drafted in my 36 years as a fan, a starting RB, nickel back and several other players who will be anywhere from spot starter to special teamer to out of the NFL.

The best GMs on the planet hit on roughly 50% of their picks.  Douglas has a very real shot at being well over 50% through his first two drafts.  But sure, he had some misses, so he's gotta bat 1.000 this year or he's gone.

SMH

Who is Becton???  Haven’t seen him in a while.  Agreed with most of your post. BUT his 1st draft sucked IMO.  I believe he IS getting his sea legs, his balls and will be good BUT he got off to a shaky start. 

[AFJF]

Just now, southparkcpa said:

Who is Becton???  Haven’t seen him in a while.  Agreed with most of your post. BUT his 1st draft sucked IMO.  I believe he IS getting his sea legs, his balls and will be good BUT he got off to a shaky start. 

I still follow the old school of thought which is to give a draft class 3 years.  This is year three.  I know an increasing number of fans love to write players off as soon as possible but I'm not there yet.

[southparkcpa]

22 minutes ago, AFJF said:

I still follow the old school of thought which is to give a draft class 3 years.  This is year three.  I know an increasing number of fans love to write players off as soon as possible but I'm not there yet.

I respect you and your opinions…. You’ve earned it BUT gun to your head, Becton closer to a bust or a pro bowler???.  I hate to say it….  But i say bust.   Reminds me of Gholsten.  We gave him years, brought in coaches, specialists etc.  I hope I’m wrong.   

[jetstream23]

3 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

The team is the most professional, organized and well run I can ever remember...

But we need to hit on players.

 

 

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

7-9

2-14

4-13

That is the Joe Douglas Era to-date.

His moves this offseason seem pretty good, and he's a heck of a trader, but ultimately a GM has to build a team that wins.

So far, we're not that.  Hopefully that changes in 2022.

 

Spot on.

That’s the state of the New York Jets in two posts.

[Joe W. Namath]

Joe Douglas is the best GM in football and I dont think its close.  The clinic he has put on the last 2 years should be documented and studied for generations to come.

[jetstream23]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Douglas is the best GM in football and I dont think its close.  The clinic he has put on the last 2 years should be documented and studied for generations to come.

Your unbridled support and optimism about JD is admirable. And, I 100% hope you’re correct.

But the only thing that matters is winning. We all agree on that. To that end, he can continue to have the best of offseasons in terms of trades, FA, etc but you and I both know the two most critical decisions he has made for this organization will determine what happens going forward. Whether the Jets win or lose is 75% driven by the two people he handpicked, the HC and the QB. They will likely determine whether JD succeeds or fails here. He needs to have hit on AT LEAST one of them.

[AFJF]

11 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

I respect you and your opinions…. You’ve earned it BUT gun to your head, Becton closer to a bust or a pro bowler???.  I hate to say it….  But i say bust.   Reminds me of Gholsten.  We gave him years, brought in coaches, specialists etc.  I hope I’m wrong.   

Much appreciated, and I hesitantly agree.  If I had to predict his future, I'd say he eats himself out of the league.  Only thing preventing that is if something happens that lights a fire under his ass and gets him to grow up and take his job seriously.  As of now, that appears to be the case.  The team intentionally embarrassed him (a good move IMO) by leaking the fact that he was putting on weight during rehab.  That's a horrible look.  I think he comes to camp in great shape for that reason.  However, after a season or two, does that fire die down and see him hit another speed bump?  Possibly.

We don't know yet.  I fully acknowledge it's possible, but won't write him off just yet.

If he does mature and stays at a good weight, it means a HoF caliber LT, starting CB, a backup safety and a punter.   We've seen wayyyyy worse than that around here and that's not a bad class overall.

 

[southparkcpa]

44 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Douglas is the best GM in football and I dont think its close.  The clinic he has put on the last 2 years should be documented and studied for generations to come.

Jesus….. Best in the NFL????    LMAO.  

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, southparkcpa said:

I respect you and your opinions…. You’ve earned it BUT gun to your head, Becton closer to a bust or a pro bowler???.  I hate to say it….  But i say bust.   Reminds me of Gholsten.  We gave him years, brought in coaches, specialists etc.  I hope I’m wrong.   

No one’s happy about year 2, but Gholston?

Gholston almost never played, save a 4-game stretch when filling in during a suspension. He never earned his way onto the field for his whole career.

Becton had a solid rookie season - particularly for a young + raw prospect - at LT; plus one cringy-press summer followed by essentially a totally-missed season, which itself was catapulted by a fluke injury.

Gholston had 0 good seasons out of a lifetime. Becton’s had 1 good season out of 2, and the HC hasn’t ruled out that he could regain his starting LT job (he’s merely said it’s not just getting handed back to him after the season Fant had).

Becton was good year 1. Gholston was never good ever. I get the frustration with him, but they’re not even close to the same. 

[Hex]

42 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Jesus….. Best in the NFL????    LMAO.  

He's better than Trent Baalke I can tell you that

[68JET11]

1 hour ago, southparkcpa said:

Who is Becton???  Haven’t seen him in a while.  Agreed with most of your post. BUT his 1st draft sucked IMO.  I believe he IS getting his sea legs, his balls and will be good BUT he got off to a shaky start. 

respect your opinion, and you're a great poster. Just want to put something in perspective that may give some of the negative JD posters food for thought.

The first time you do something, are you great at it?  Most aren't and need to learn from their mistakes, or even grow into a job. JD certainly isn't perfect, no GM is. Most of us on here were giving him good marks for his 2021 draft, up until rnd 3 and 4 with Polite, and Captain Morgan, and we certainly praised Hall in rnd 5. Some even gave him props for trading down in rnd 2 and still getting a receiver like Mims. Did we have a crystal ball that knew Becton would get hurt, or Mims would turn out to be crap so far. No, but there is still a wait and see for at least Becton. Nobody knows if GASE was pounding the table for any of those picks. While I might believe that, that's not the point. The point I'm making is that while he learned some of his craft in good organizations, he still wasn't the one making the decisions, so it would be nice to give him a pass on that draft, like learning geometry (because I sucked at it) the first time you went to HS. He's shown an uncanny ability in his trading skills, and while his first FAgency wasn't the best, I'm betting he had a plan in mind to get us to a point were we could actually make picks in FA, like he's done this year and a few good ones last year with money in the bank. I'm sick of losing too, but to me this is the first GM we've had here in a long time that actually seems like he knows what he's doing after his first year on the job. For that I'll give him a chance to remake this team. Like I said in a previous post, it's up to the coaches now to get us over the hump. If he has another draft like last year, there's no reason we shouldn't win between 7-9 games. The only team in the East that we probably won't win at least one game from would be the Bills. I really think we go 1-1 with NE, or 2-0, and could be 2-0 against the Phins. That's progress right there. Just my opinion.

[HighPitch]

With all these pics joe needs to draft 4 solid starters at a minimum.

With all these signings its clear we need to go wr-edge-OL.

I cant see him messing this up.

[Joe W. Namath]

Joe Douglas came here to do 2 things, sign stud free agents to reasonable contracts and kick ass.  And hes all out of free agents.