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JD has done a great job at resetting, acquiring an abnormal amount of assets, etc. Now it is time to execute and win some games this year. He is off to a great start in free agency. He has to take it home and then knock this draft out of the park. If he does that, this team is winning consistently sooner rather than later and he is our GM for a long time.

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14 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He is a superior planner, excellent at keeping things under the lid

All of our recent prior front offices were sieves with every reporter in town getting fed info by someone in FO. Now, nothing

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16 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He is a superior planner, excellent at keeping things under the lid, he is very disciplined in his approach and is a master so far in accumulating resources.

HOWEVER

If he does not hit it out of the park with this draft his fate is not certain (oh he will be here longer won't get fired but my confidence in him will be shot).

In the end a GMs success is all about being a good drafter unless you already have a franchise qb who can drag you along.

He has the best draft resources of any team in the league this year, he has to have the best draft.

that's just stating the obvious.  he's all set up for a huge win in this draft.  it's going to be hard to miss like mac or idzik.  i mean it can still happen but it's just not likely.  i think people will also judge the 2020 draft in a different light after this season.

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1 minute ago, rangerous said:

that's just stating the obvious.  he's all set up for a huge win in this draft.  it's going to be hard to miss like mac or idzik.  i mean it can still happen but it's just not likely.  i think people will also judge the 2020 draft in a different light after this season.

Not sure I know what you mean?  The 2020 draft is mac and idzik like.

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If he drafts the players I've mentioned, he'll do fine lol...

Seriously, all GM's hit and miss, if he add to this team with as many starters as last year he's on his way to doing better than 2021. Like a few have said, he's got enough draft pieces in the first 3 rounds to put at least 4 in the starting lineul. That's all we can ask for from him as a GM. The rest is up to the coaches to make this team win. 

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11 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Not sure I know what you mean?  The 2020 draft is mac and idzik like.

could be there were a few late bloomers like mims, zuniga and even perine.  about the only thing people care about from that draft is becton.

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39 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Not sure I know what you mean?  The 2020 draft is mac and idzik like.

It’s really quite baffling. Would love to know how he whiffed so bad at that draft. 
Feel like he’s got the right philosophy and approach. And 2021 looks a lot better.
Was he not on the same page with the coaches? Just still too new? Or just plain ol bad luck?

Either way, hope this draft is more like last year and that one we can put behind us. 

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If the Jets are not much better this season, or if this draft initially looks like 2020, JD will not get the 2023 draft.  
 

If the Jets are not in playoffs or at least in the playoff hunt in 2023, JD will not get the 2024 draft (or if he does, it will be the last year of his contract).  
 

I think that is a fair approach for both sides. 

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3 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Win some games 

Fukkin ay….  We are about the 3rd worst team in the league and i like what i see so far in FA but end of the day…. We can’t seem to win more than 6 games a year and JDs 1st draft is amongst the worst we’ve had in years.   He’s getting better…. But lets see. 

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54 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Some of the best GM's and head coaches in the history of the NFL have had multiple atrocious draft classes.  I'm talking embarrassing lists of guys who never did a damn thing in the league.  Yet somehow, Joe Douglas, who has had what looks to be one bad class and one outstanding class, MUST have a home run draft OR ELSE!  

Year one he found two starters at premium positions in Hall and Becton.  The Becton injuries could obviously cut his career short but as of today, he's a talent with limitless potential with some things to prove.  This will be his year to do that.  If he even comes close to his ceiling, it's two high level starters at premium positions and possibly a backup safety type in Asytyn Davis.  Two premium position starters and a backup isn't a bad class.  Throw Braden Mann in the mix and it looks even better.

Year two he trades up to take a guy who will be a multi-time pro bowler in AVT, a WR who will probably be the best WR this team has drafted in my 36 years as a fan, a starting RB, nickel back and several other players who will be anywhere from spot starter to special teamer to out of the NFL.

The best GMs on the planet hit on roughly 50% of their picks.  Douglas has a very real shot at being well over 50% through his first two drafts.  But sure, he had some misses, so he's gotta bat 1.000 this year or he's gone.

SMH

Who is Becton???  Haven’t seen him in a while.  Agreed with most of your post. BUT his 1st draft sucked IMO.  I believe he IS getting his sea legs, his balls and will be good BUT he got off to a shaky start. 

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Just now, southparkcpa said:

Who is Becton???  Haven’t seen him in a while.  Agreed with most of your post. BUT his 1st draft sucked IMO.  I believe he IS getting his sea legs, his balls and will be good BUT he got off to a shaky start. 

I still follow the old school of thought which is to give a draft class 3 years.  This is year three.  I know an increasing number of fans love to write players off as soon as possible but I'm not there yet.

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22 minutes ago, AFJF said:

I still follow the old school of thought which is to give a draft class 3 years.  This is year three.  I know an increasing number of fans love to write players off as soon as possible but I'm not there yet.

I respect you and your opinions…. You’ve earned it BUT gun to your head, Becton closer to a bust or a pro bowler???.  I hate to say it….  But i say bust.   Reminds me of Gholsten.  We gave him years, brought in coaches, specialists etc.  I hope I’m wrong.   

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3 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

The team is the most professional, organized and well run I can ever remember...

But we need to hit on players.

 

 

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

7-9

2-14

4-13

That is the Joe Douglas Era to-date.

His moves this offseason seem pretty good, and he's a heck of a trader, but ultimately a GM has to build a team that wins.

So far, we're not that.  Hopefully that changes in 2022.

 

Spot on.

That’s the state of the New York Jets in two posts.

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1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Douglas is the best GM in football and I dont think its close.  The clinic he has put on the last 2 years should be documented and studied for generations to come.

Your unbridled support and optimism about JD is admirable. And, I 100% hope you’re correct.

But the only thing that matters is winning. We all agree on that. To that end, he can continue to have the best of offseasons in terms of trades, FA, etc but you and I both know the two most critical decisions he has made for this organization will determine what happens going forward. Whether the Jets win or lose is 75% driven by the two people he handpicked, the HC and the QB. They will likely determine whether JD succeeds or fails here. He needs to have hit on AT LEAST one of them.

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11 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

I respect you and your opinions…. You’ve earned it BUT gun to your head, Becton closer to a bust or a pro bowler???.  I hate to say it….  But i say bust.   Reminds me of Gholsten.  We gave him years, brought in coaches, specialists etc.  I hope I’m wrong.   

Much appreciated, and I hesitantly agree.  If I had to predict his future, I'd say he eats himself out of the league.  Only thing preventing that is if something happens that lights a fire under his ass and gets him to grow up and take his job seriously.  As of now, that appears to be the case.  The team intentionally embarrassed him (a good move IMO) by leaking the fact that he was putting on weight during rehab.  That's a horrible look.  I think he comes to camp in great shape for that reason.  However, after a season or two, does that fire die down and see him hit another speed bump?  Possibly.

We don't know yet.  I fully acknowledge it's possible, but won't write him off just yet.

If he does mature and stays at a good weight, it means a HoF caliber LT, starting CB, a backup safety and a punter.   We've seen wayyyyy worse than that around here and that's not a bad class overall.

 

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44 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Douglas is the best GM in football and I dont think its close.  The clinic he has put on the last 2 years should be documented and studied for generations to come.

Jesus….. Best in the NFL????    LMAO.  

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1 hour ago, southparkcpa said:

Who is Becton???  Haven’t seen him in a while.  Agreed with most of your post. BUT his 1st draft sucked IMO.  I believe he IS getting his sea legs, his balls and will be good BUT he got off to a shaky start. 

respect your opinion, and you're a great poster. Just want to put something in perspective that may give some of the negative JD posters food for thought.

The first time you do something, are you great at it?  Most aren't and need to learn from their mistakes, or even grow into a job. JD certainly isn't perfect, no GM is. Most of us on here were giving him good marks for his 2021 draft, up until rnd 3 and 4 with Polite, and Captain Morgan, and we certainly praised Hall in rnd 5. Some even gave him props for trading down in rnd 2 and still getting a receiver like Mims. Did we have a crystal ball that knew Becton would get hurt, or Mims would turn out to be crap so far. No, but there is still a wait and see for at least Becton. Nobody knows if GASE was pounding the table for any of those picks. While I might believe that, that's not the point. The point I'm making is that while he learned some of his craft in good organizations, he still wasn't the one making the decisions, so it would be nice to give him a pass on that draft, like learning geometry (because I sucked at it) the first time you went to HS. He's shown an uncanny ability in his trading skills, and while his first FAgency wasn't the best, I'm betting he had a plan in mind to get us to a point were we could actually make picks in FA, like he's done this year and a few good ones last year with money in the bank. I'm sick of losing too, but to me this is the first GM we've had here in a long time that actually seems like he knows what he's doing after his first year on the job. For that I'll give him a chance to remake this team. Like I said in a previous post, it's up to the coaches now to get us over the hump. If he has another draft like last year, there's no reason we shouldn't win between 7-9 games. The only team in the East that we probably won't win at least one game from would be the Bills. I really think we go 1-1 with NE, or 2-0, and could be 2-0 against the Phins. That's progress right there. Just my opinion.

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