Cimini on some draft buzz

[T0mShane]

No on Thibodeaux (no sh*t) but maybe a yes on…Kyle Hamilton!

4. No dibs on Thibs: A lot of fans want the Jets to draft Oregon's Kayvon Thibodeauxbecause they need an edge rusher (so what else is new?) and he's a big name. Frankly, I'd be surprised if they take Thibodeaux with the fourth pick.

One AFC scout called him "overrated," saying Thibodeaux lacks the natural bend to be an elite outside pass-rusher. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay has questioned his fire. Some talent evaluators wonder about his commitment to football, saying he spends too much time talking about off-the-field interests.

Let's be clear: These opinions didn't come from anyone affiliated with the Jets, but the emerging narrative makes me believe he's not a fit in coach Robert Saleh's "all-gas, no brake" world.

 

 

6. Ball hawk needed: The addition of Whitehead, along with the return of Lamarcus Joyner, improves the safety situation, but the defense still lacks a playmaker on the back end. Some folks in the scouting community still think the Jets could draft Notre Dame safety Kyle Hamilton, who would be the ideal complement to Whitehead. The Jets need a deep stopper after allowing a league-high 33 completions of 20-plus air yards.

[Jets723]

The only two things I’m pretty positive are that we will draft a WR and safety within our first four picks.  I still feel we get an edge at 4 but who knows 

[T0mShane]

Two other fun tidbits in this article:

1. When Revis got drafted, he was home with his family in Aliquippa, PA. Who was in that room? A ten year old Jordan Whitehead.

2. Douglas, for the second year in a row, has handed out at least $80 mil guaranteed to free agents. Yikes.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/89073/for-zach-wilsons-sake-new-york-jets-may-end-this-wide-receiver-drought

[T0mShane]

Just now, Jets723 said:

The only two things I’m pretty positive are that we will draft a WR and safety within our first four picks.  I still feel we get an edge at 4 but who knows 

4. Kyle Hamilton

10. Travon Walker or Trevor Penning (if they trade Becton)

[jago]

two special DB prospects, sauce and hamilton.
league rules and scheme roles may favor ham?

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

4. Kyle Hamilton

10. Travon Walker or Trevor Penning (if they trade Becton)

I would be fine with Hamilton but I feel we grab a safety in the second round 

[UntouchableCrew]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

4. Kyle Hamilton

10. Travon Walker or Trevor Penning (if they trade Becton)

I don't see Hamilton at 4. but if he falls to 10 he's the pick there.

I think if Ekwonu is there he's the pick at 4, and think a bevy or others (Travon Walker, Jermaine Johnson, Sauce Gardner) are possibilities as well.

[Jet Life]

Feels like Edge at 4 and WR at 10 will be the picks 

[Asymmetrical]

I will expire if they pick a safety at 4. KT terrifies me and I'd take him over Hamilton without blinking.

[WestCoastMole]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

No on Thibodeaux (no sh*t) but maybe a yes on…Kyle Hamilton!

4. No dibs on Thibs: A lot of fans want the Jets to draft Oregon's Kayvon Thibodeauxbecause they need an edge rusher (so what else is new?) and he's a big name. Frankly, I'd be surprised if they take Thibodeaux with the fourth pick.

One AFC scout called him "overrated," saying Thibodeaux lacks the natural bend to be an elite outside pass-rusher. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay has questioned his fire. Some talent evaluators wonder about his commitment to football, saying he spends too much time talking about off-the-field interests.

Let's be clear: These opinions didn't come from anyone affiliated with the Jets, but the emerging narrative makes me believe he's not a fit in coach Robert Saleh's "all-gas, no brake" world.

 

 

6. Ball hawk needed: The addition of Whitehead, along with the return of Lamarcus Joyner, improves the safety situation, but the defense still lacks a playmaker on the back end. Some folks in the scouting community still think the Jets could draft Notre Dame safety Kyle Hamilton, who would be the ideal complement to Whitehead. The Jets need a deep stopper after allowing a league-high 33 completions of 20-plus air yards.

Indeed Tom these comments didn't come from within the Jets organization. But what I find more than curious is the roar of the Old Establishment Media trying to shove Kyle Hamilton down the throats of the New York Jets. This is the only player in the draft the Media is pulling this stunt with. This should send up a Red Flag with the Jets Front Office and the New York Jet Fan Base.

[Origen]

Honestly at this point I'm rooting for JD to trade the 4 and 10 for the entire 6th round.

[jbt]

We need 2 wrs, 2 edge, 1rb from this draft 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, WestCoastMole said:

Indeed Tom these comments didn't come from within the Jets organization. But what I find more than curious is the roar of the Old Establishment Media trying to shove Kyle Hamilton down the throats of the New York Jets. This is the only player in the draft the Media is pulling this stunt with. This should send up a Red Flag with the Jets Front Office and the New York Jet Fan Base.

Yeah the same people who had Adams as the best player in the draft are pumping Hamilton up. Hamiltons tape doesn’t lie. He’s just a guy.

[STLuLu]

6 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

I would be fine with Hamilton but I feel we grab a safety in the second round 

The draft experts are saying that Hamilton is the best player in the draft. I say draft him at pick 4. The Jets need all the playmakers they can get no matter what side of the ball they are on.

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, WestCoastMole said:

Indeed Tom these comments didn't come from within the Jets organization. But what I find more than curious is the roar of the Old Establishment Media trying to shove Kyle Hamilton down the throats of the New York Jets. This is the only player in the draft the Media is pulling this stunt with. This should send up a Red Flag with the Jets Front Office and the New York Jet Fan Base.

If it’s true that Saleh is blaming the failures of his trash defense on not having a good free safety (lol), and considering Douglas wanted to give Marcus Williams $15+ mil per, Hamilton will probably be the pick at 4. No way they’re drafting Thibodeaux. Not a weak-fish Saleh lapdog-type, and they can just say that Carl Lawson is coming back. 

[kevinc855]

Ok I understand we willl go defense at 4.

BUT GIVE ZACH A RECIEVER AT 10

[Barton]

Jets give up alot of plays over 20 yards because they dont get to the freakin QB. 

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, STLuLu said:

The draft experts are saying that Hamilton is the best player in the draft. I say draft him at pick 4. The Jets need all the playmakers they can get no matter what side of the ball they are on.

Around this time of year, the Internet Based Draft Youngins start coalescing around safe players that probably won’t bust so they don’t end up on the record supporting a player who ended up being garbage. They still think they were right about Jamal Adams.

[Jets723]

8 minutes ago, STLuLu said:

The draft experts are saying that Hamilton is the best player in the draft. I say draft him at pick 4. The Jets need all the playmakers they can get no matter what side of the ball they are on.

Like I said I’d be fine with it.  I know a lot if fans in here are not but I agree he is a bigtime prospect.  We also have the 10th pick and extra second rounder to fill out other holes so I’d have no issue with it 

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

Ok I understand we willl go defense at 4.

BUT GIVE ZACH A RECIEVER AT 10

It’s pretty clear they will.  It’s not like they have ignored offense.  Over the past two drafts their top 6 picks have been offense, they signed two TE and like I said it’s pretty clear they will go WR at 10 or at the very least 35 

[Snell41]

The draft experts are saying that Hamilton is the best player in the draft. I say draft him at pick 4. The Jets need all the playmakers they can get no matter what side of the ball they are on.

The draft experts also said Quinnen was the best player in the draft. Jamal Adams a sure fire all pro. Leonard Williams should be fitting his yellow jacket as we speak. You want a player that will have absolutely zero impact on actually winning games, go ahead and take Kyle Hamilton at 4.


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[Tranquilo]

My guess is Travon Walker and Drake London

[jago]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

4. Kyle Hamilton

10. Travon Walker or Trevor Penning (if they trade Becton)

i dont think travon gets past the giants.

[Green Ghost]

I’ve been saying we should take Sauce and Hamilton for a couple months now. The only way I’d think we shouldn’t take both is if

A.Thibs is somehow there at #4 or

B. if one of them is gone at #10.

either way I want defense with both picks. I don’t think there’s a difference making WR worth taking in the top 10, and I don’t think our CS trusts Wilson to utilize one if there was.

Build up the defense, because the Jet offense will be operating in KISS mode again this year.

[TheClashFan]

Still hoping JD can pull off a trade down from #4, even if he can't get the normal point value in return because the QB class is weak.

I'd agree that Edge and WR should be the picks in the first, wherever they might be.

[STLuLu]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Around this time of year, the Internet Based Draft Youngins start coalescing around safe players that probably won’t bust so they don’t end up on the record supporting a player who ended up being garbage. They still think they were right about Jamal Adams.

Adams was a pro bowl safety in Bowles' defensive scheme. But he would be a bad fit in Saleh's scheme so the fact that he's gone is a good thing. Saleh's scheme requires a ball hawking safety like Kyle Hamilton so i think he wouldn't be a bust for the Jets.

[Jet Nut]

23 minutes ago, WestCoastMole said:

Indeed Tom these comments didn't come from within the Jets organization. But what I find more than curious is the roar of the Old Establishment Media trying to shove Kyle Hamilton down the throats of the New York Jets. This is the only player in the draft the Media is pulling this stunt with. This should send up a Red Flag with the Jets Front Office and the New York Jet Fan Base.

So if they pick a player you don't want you are convinced he was a product of the media who are pulling a stunt and the Jets are being duped into picking him.  Pretty much every evaluator has him in their top 5 but for some reason its total BS?  JD and his staff will fall back on this media stunt.  

LOL

 

[Lith]

33 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

2. Douglas, for the second year in a row, has handed out at least $80 mil guaranteed to free agents. Yikes.

But I thought I read that he was cheap.  You can argue that he has not spent well over the last few years, but the narrative that he won't spend is nonsense.

[Jets723]

2 minutes ago, STLuLu said:

Adams was a pro bowl safety in Bowles' defensive scheme. But he would be a bad fit in Saleh's scheme so the fact that he's gone is a good thing. Saleh's scheme requires a ball hawking safety like Kyle Hamilton so i think he wouldn't be a bust for the Jets.

I think the problem is fans immediately bring up Adams whenever the subject of possibly drafting Hamilton comes up which I feel is unfair.  Now Hamilton wouldn’t be my first choice but I would t be upset if we did take him there 

[DetroitRed]

12 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

It’s pretty clear they will.  It’s not like they have ignored offense.  Over the past two drafts their top 6 picks have been offense, they signed two TE and like I said it’s pretty clear they will go WR at 10 or at the very least 35 

They need to take 2 WRs this draft.  I would not be scared to take them both in the first 3 rounds

[Lith]

15 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Ok I understand we willl go defense at 4.

BUT GIVE ZACH A RECIEVER AT 10

Prepare to be disappointed.  I expect that both 4 & 10 will be defense.  35 & 38 will be offense.  I would probaby go edge at 4 ad WR at 10, but I am not expecting that is what JD will do.  Offense will be addressed day 2.

[PepPep]

How about Edge at 4 and Devin Lloyd? Saleh would love him and Mosley out there together. 

[TuscanyTile2]

11 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

My guess is Travon Walker and Drake London

I also think Travon Walker will be the pick at #4 (if he's available).  

[Augustiniak]

remember when hooker was supposed to be the next ed reed b/c of his ball hawking skills?  Well he sucked.  Don’t take a safety thinking he’s going to transcend the position.  I still think the jets take thibs if he’s there at 4 b/c he’d be the best pass rusher they’d have since Abraham and as we’re seeing the drafting now is all about scheme fit.

[STLuLu]

10 minutes ago, Snell41 said:

 

The draft experts also said Quinnen was the best player in the draft. Jamal Adams a sure fire all pro. Leonard Williams should be fitting his yellow jacket as we speak. You want a player that will have absolutely zero impact on actually winning games, go ahead and take Kyle Hamilton at 4.


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I agree about Q Williams...they did say he was the best player. But I don't recall them saying that about L Williams. That was about Rex being Rex, wanting another D lineman, which they didn't need. I also don't remember them saying that about Adams because there was a lot of good players in that draft. Also, I can't blame the Jets for drafting him because they needed a safety that year and plus, he was a pro bowl player.