Mogglez Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: @Mogglez told you that you should become a Bears fan because you wanted the Jets to draft Fields over Wilson? Seriously? You’re full of shlt. No, I did lol. It was around the time Fields got named the starter and those who wanted him came crawling out to tell those of us that we should have taken him in just about every thread they could. I got sick of it and went a little too far. That being said, one goober went as far as saying that he was done rooting for the Jets entirely on draft day when we took Wilson, disappeared for 6 months, and then came back to talk sh*t, so I felt extra saucy about it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post docdhc Posted March 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Green Ghost said: As much as I like Mayfield, I don’t think it will take as much to acquire him. 1. The Jets hadn’t drafted his replacement yet, so they weren’t at the disadvantage the Browns are here. JD had the option of bringing him back last year since we were going to stink anyway, and his cap number was low. 2. Darnold also had two more years of his rookie deal plus a team option year. Because the Jets suck so much, a few teams thought the Jets were the problem and Sam could be a good nfl qb. (Fools) 3. Mayfield has only one year of control left (plus the option) so despite the fact he’s a better qb, his contract has less value to a new team. You’re going to dump a team you rooted for for 58 years for Baker Mayfield? Don’t let the door hit you on the way out 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jet Nut Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mogglez said: No, I did lol. Yeah I remember now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, docdhc said: You’re going to dump a team you rooted for for 58 years for Baker Mayfield? Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Green Ghost said: As much as I like Mayfield, I don’t think it will take as much to acquire him. 1. The Jets hadn’t drafted his replacement yet, so they weren’t at the disadvantage the Browns are here. JD had the option of bringing him back last year since we were going to stink anyway, and his cap number was low. 2. Darnold also had two more years of his rookie deal plus a team option year. Because the Jets suck so much, a few teams thought the Jets were the problem and Sam could be a good nfl qb. (Fools) 3. Mayfield has only one year of control left (plus the option) so despite the fact he’s a better qb, his contract has less value to a new team. Just a quick correct here. Both Darnold and Baker will be playing this year on their 5th year options. So when Darnold was traded he only had one year left on the rookie contract, plus the 5th year option, which Carolina picked up. Baker is being traded, with only his 5th year option left. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: Just a quick correct here. Both Darnold and Baker will be playing this year on their 5th year options. So when Darnold was traded he only had one year left on the rookie contract, plus the 5th year option, which Carolina picked up. Baker is being traded, with only his 5th year option left. Nice catch! I knew Darnold had one more year of control when he was dealt, but yeah, you’re right. Wow, Mayfield is gonna be a bargain as far as compensation for whoever gets him. How does it work if the Browns can’t make a trade and they release him? I know Mayfield’s money is guaranteed, but would the Browns have to pay it or would the team who picks him up be liable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Baker Mayfield can play. He was clearly hurt last year. He's not a great QB and he wasn't worthy of being picked 1st overall, but he can play. Darnold is a backup QB at best at this point. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 43 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: . Excellent Points 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Nice catch! I knew Darnold had one more year of control when he was dealt, but yeah, you’re right. Wow, Mayfield is gonna be a bargain as far as compensation for whoever gets him. How does it work if the Browns can’t make a trade and they release him? I know Mayfield’s money is guaranteed, but would the Browns have to pay it or would the team who picks him up be liable? I’m not 100% certain and others probably know more then me….but I believe if he is just outright released Browns owe that money to him. Now, if you recall, there’s been issues before getting our 1st rounders signed due to a haggle over offset language. So if he is released AND has offset language in his original contract with the Browns, then Browns would be off the hook for the amount of his new contract. So if he gets cut and signs with a new team for $10 million this year, the Browns would only have to pay eight. If there’s no offset language then Baker gets the 18 owed by the Browns plus whatever his new contract is worth. Chances are he’ll get traded, but compensation will likely be low because the Browns are in a bad negotiating spot and the team who trades for him has no control over him after this year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: I’m not 100% certain and others probably know more then me….but I believe if he is just outright released Browns owe that money to him. Now, if you recall, there’s been issues before getting our 1st rounders signed due to a haggle over offset language. So if he is released AND has offset language in his original contract with the Browns, then Browns would be off the hook for the amount of his new contract. So if he gets cut and signs with a new team for $10 million this year, the Browns would only have to pay eight. If there’s no offset language then Baker gets the 18 owed by the Browns plus whatever his new contract is worth. Chances are he’ll get traded, but compensation will likely be low because the Browns are in a bad negotiating spot and the team who trades for him has no control over him after this year. I read in a few places that Baker is guaranteed his $18m this year, so I don’t think the offset was put in his deal. Which makes sense because he was the overall top pick. I agree with you completely about compensation. I can’t see any team giving up a lot for him in a situation where they know the Browns have to trade him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 hours ago, The Crusher said: At this point Jamal should change his nick name from Prez to Pestilence. How about change his name from Prez to Plague. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alka said: How about change his name from Prez to Plague. Dynamic. I like it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 hours ago, defensedoesntgetyoulaid said: At this point I'd start Darnold's mole over the man himself Uggh. If I were him, I’d get that checked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, IndianaJet said: Just a quick correct here. Both Darnold and Baker will be playing this year on their 5th year options. So when Darnold was traded he only had one year left on the rookie contract, plus the 5th year option, which Carolina picked up. Baker is being traded, with only his 5th year option left. Sam will be making $18,585,000 Baker, $18,858,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Green Ghost said: Sorry ZachEY, but you’re a distant second with that. Remember @14 in green? He hated Darnold so much his name was the example @GREENBEAN used when he referred to the Darnold haters in his first video for JN. 14 was my favorite poster ever (don’t ask me why, lol). Smart, handsome, well spoken, he had it all. I miss him so much. ? Gee, thanks for the clue. I was really struggling to figure this mystery out. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Green Ghost said: Sorry ZachEY, but you’re a distant second with that. Remember @14 in green? He hated Darnold so much his name was the example @GREENBEAN used when he referred to the Darnold haters in his first video for JN. 14 was my favorite poster ever (don’t ask me why, lol). Smart, handsome, well spoken, he had it all. I miss him so much. ? You merely adopted the Darnold hate. I was born into it, molded by it. I didn’t see that one game against the Packers until I was a man, and by then it was nothing to me but blinding. 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Here are a coupleinteresting Mayfield tidbits. @Beerfish is going to love these… ? According to Adam Shefter, a team contacted the Browns offering to take on his contract, but the Browns had to throw in a draft pick. In a separate satirical tweet, Browns GM Andrew Berry is “quoted” saying, “I don’t understand what’s going on. A Baker Mayfield should be worth a couple picks.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Here are a coupleinteresting Mayfield tidbits. @Beerfish is going to love these… ? According to Adam Shefter, a team contacted the Browns offering to take on his contract, but the Browns had to throw in a draft pick. In a separate satirical tweet, Browns GM Andrew Berry is “quoted” saying, “I don’t understand what’s going on. A Baker Mayfield should be worth a couple picks.” They have 0 leverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Grandy said: They have 0 leverage. Totally agree. The Browns made their bed here though, I have no sympathy for them. In fact, I hope this all blows up in their face. As for Baker, he’ll get a shot somewhere. If he’s as good as I think he is, he’ll be hellbent on making the Browns look even worse. If he doesn’t? That’s on him. As much as I like him, he’s at a crossroad now. This is put up or shut up time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Green Ghost said: Obviously I'm no one that you know and I meant to sound more funny than harsh but I guess it didn't come out that way. What you said just hit me because I have rooted for the Jets as long as you have, despite moving away from NY over 32 years ago, and still have no desire to root for the local team. It's understandable why people switch, it's easier to see the games on TV, there's more coverage by the local media, and more comaraderie with friends and neighbors. It just surprised me that a player who is controversial and basically unproven would get you to switch after all that time. Anyway, good luck, I think the odds aren't good for either the Jets or Mayfield winning a Super Bowl any time soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Grandy said: They have 0 leverage. As long as Schneider and Carroll are running the show, the Browns have a fighting chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I love the anti-Baker sentiment from Jet fans. As if we already have our stud franchise QB. Wouldn't mind if Zach put up identical numbers to Baker in his first 3 years. 2020 Browns 62.8% 3,563yds 26 TD's 8 Ints 95.9 2019 Browns 59.4% 3,827yds 22 TD's 21 Ints 78.8 2018 Browns 63.8% 3,725yds 27 TD's 14Ints 93.7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 17 hours ago, GreenFish said: I understand why Baker will get another chance. He's had flashes. Darnold is a bust. I don't even think he makes for a good backup QB. Geno Smith was playing NFL games last year. Darnold is better than Geno. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Sam, but there are worse backups in the NFL. I don't think anyone is bringing in Darnold to be their franchise QB. Just a guy to compete with another scrub like Drew Lock. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said: I love the anti-Baker sentiment from Jet fans. As if we already have our stud franchise QB. Wouldn't mind if Zach put up identical numbers to Baker in his first 3 years. 2020 Browns 62.8% 3,563yds 26 TD's 8 Ints 95.9 2019 Browns 59.4% 3,827yds 22 TD's 21 Ints 78.8 2018 Browns 63.8% 3,725yds 27 TD's 14Ints 93.7 Those would be 3 of the best seasons in franchise history. Which is true, and also very sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 15 hours ago, Mogglez said: While I regret going about that the way that I did because it was uncalled for, if multiple people are telling you that you come off as bitter that you didn’t get “your guy” or something along that line when discussing QBs, then maybe there is something to it. I’ve done it, so I can’t pretend to be innocent here ??♂️. Was not going to respond to this but I decided I will obviously. Being in a business as I am that runs 100% on emails and text, I am very mindful of what I write, can this be misunderstood as aggressive when I am just trying to get a point across without coming off that way. Even with as careful as I am in my replies, sometimes things just get interpreted incorrectly, especially when telling someone something they don't want to hear like this co-op will cost you an additional 10k at closing. I will say when discussing things here, I am much more relaxed. Maybe that sometimes translates as I am bitter, I really don't know, but IMO, it is similar to that extra 10k discussion. I am telling you that Wilson is playing horrible football and is making mistakes that go beyond rookieness. Then I might throw in that I liked this guy better or you remember that I had said it and suddenly I hate Wilson and love Fields when in actuality, I had stopped following Fields the minute we drafted Wilson. I can't even tell you a thing about Fields and how he played last season. I literally watched maybe 30 minutes of his play all last season. All I am saying is this thing with deciding I am bitter about something is sort of a two way street. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Jamal Adams being stuck in Seattle with Sam Darnold and Geno Smith as his QBs sounds absolutely DELICIOUS. ? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I don't think the Browns are giving Mayfield away. They should wait until a QB goes down and get max value for him. They need it for what they gave away to get Watson and I suspect they aren't to happy with Mayfield crying about their interest in Watson. I think they want a 1 and they might get it if they hold out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Mayfield right now (minus the TB12 comparison) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92ShaunEllis92 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 What type of offense can Mayfield thrive in at the pro level? WCO? I don’t see him landing anywhere except Seattle, Detroit?, Giants? I don’t see where he could honestly land at the at salary and what Cleveland may demand for in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said: Was not going to respond to this but I decided I will obviously. Being in a business as I am that runs 100% on emails and text, I am very mindful of what I write, can this be misunderstood as aggressive when I am just trying to get a point across without coming off that way. Even with as careful as I am in my replies, sometimes things just get interpreted incorrectly, especially when telling someone something they don't want to hear like this co-op will cost you an additional 10k at closing. I will say when discussing things here, I am much more relaxed. Maybe that sometimes translates as I am bitter, I really don't know, but IMO, it is similar to that extra 10k discussion. I am telling you that Wilson is playing horrible football and is making mistakes that go beyond rookieness. Then I might throw in that I liked this guy better or you remember that I had said it and suddenly I hate Wilson and love Fields when in actuality, I had stopped following Fields the minute we drafted Wilson. I can't even tell you a thing about Fields and how he played last season. I literally watched maybe 30 minutes of his play all last season. All I am saying is this thing with deciding I am bitter about something is sort of a two way street. Hey man, I totally get it. As I said, I have regrets about how I came off when I got into it that day with you, and other people, so I’ll take this chance to formally apologize for that. At the end of the day, we all just want what’s best for the team and I shouldn’t have reacted the way that I did to criticism of Wilson’s poor play at the time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 59 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Hey man, I totally get it. As I said, I have regrets about how I came off when I got into it that day with you, and other people, so I’ll take this chance to formally apologize for that. At the end of the day, we all just want what’s best for the team and I shouldn’t have reacted the way that I did to criticism of Wilson’s poor play at the time. That means a lot dude. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 hours ago, RichardTodd27 said: I love the anti-Baker sentiment from Jet fans. As if we already have our stud franchise QB. Wouldn't mind if Zach put up identical numbers to Baker in his first 3 years. 2020 Browns 62.8% 3,563yds 26 TD's 8 Ints 95.9 2019 Browns 59.4% 3,827yds 22 TD's 21 Ints 78.8 2018 Browns 63.8% 3,725yds 27 TD's 14Ints 93.7 Oh for God sake, you want to Zack throw 21 picks next season?. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Oh for God sake, you want to Zack throw 21 picks next season?. Really? Baker was pretty banged up last year and needed surgery. Showed toughness just being out there. And no I wouldn't want Zach to throw 21 picks next year. Just want him to do better than last year's horrific 9 TD's and 11 Int's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said: Baker was pretty banged up last year and needed surgery. Showed toughness just being out there. And no I wouldn't want Zach to throw 21 picks next year. Just want him to do better than last year's horrific 9 TD's and 11 Int's. The body of work for Baker is mediocre at best. The Browns are admitting they sceewed up big time taking him number 1 overall. Baker as of right now is a mega bust. I would hope foe better from our QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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