Popular Post Jet_Engine1 Posted March 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2022 The Good: The Ugly: Very confusing, kid looks fast af on the field, and then had a bad day at the combine. Personally, I like him. I would LOVE him at 10 if Wilson is gone. I think he's way better than London (who had future Amazon drivers draped all over him on every catch), and would be a perfect complement to Davis/Moore etc. Thoughts? 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just like the "ras" doesn't necessarily mean production in the nfl neither does it equate to failure... if Burks falls to the 2nd like Elijah Moore did last year, I would be all for drafting him... but I Seriously doubt he will fall that far. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, jetsons said: Just like the ras doesn't necessarily mean production in the nfl neither does it equate to failure... if Burks falls to the 2nd like Elijah Moore did last year, I would be all for drafting him... but I Seriously doubt he will fall that far. He's gone by 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted March 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2022 This is the horrific RAS graph of the notoriously unathletic slug DeAndre Hopkins. 13 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: This is the horrific RAS graph of the notoriously unathletic slug DeAndre Hopkins. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I like Burks but I question if Douglas pulls the trigger on him. Douglas has only drafted 1 player below a 9.0 RAS in the first 3 rounds (Elijah Moore 8.6). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 45 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The Good: The Ugly: Very confusing, kid looks fast af on the field, and then had a bad day at the combine. Personally, I like him. I would LOVE him at 10 if Wilson is gone. I think he's way better than London (who had future Amazon drivers draped all over him on every catch), and would be a perfect complement to Davis/Moore etc. Thoughts? Unless there's a good explanation for the combine performance I can't see Douglas going this route, especially at 10. He's pretty consistently gone after guys with high RAS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I like the player a lot still and would like for him to be a trade up back into the end of the first round by douglas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Some people "play faster" than they test. Anquan Boldin was one and he had a great career: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoldAn00.htm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted March 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2022 The laughable and putris RAS graph for unproductive turd Cooper Kupp 2 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted March 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2022 Ultra slow Davante Adams 3 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I like Burks but I question if Douglas pulls the trigger on him. Douglas has only drafted 1 player below a 9.0 RAS in the first 3 rounds (Elijah Moore 8.6). I mean that’s been, by far, his best pick. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted March 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2022 I think some folks put too much emphasis on the RAS. RAS = Workout Warrior College Resume, Experience, Quality of Opponent, i.e. Film is a better evaluation tool for a guy's future. RAS shouldn't be ignored, but it's not an evaluation of playing football, which is what we want them to do well. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, T0mShane said: This is the horrific RAS graph of the notoriously unathletic slug DeAndre Hopkins. 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The laughable and putris RAS graph for unproductive turd Cooper Kupp 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Ultra slow Davante Adams Soooo, Draft Treylon Burks..? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 JD so far is a WR in the 2nd kinda guy. More of a trenches guy in the first. Hard to see him going WR at 4. Barring a trade 10 is the possibility Looking at the hill interest I wonder if he is targeting olave late first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: I think some folks put too much emphasis on the RAS. RAS = Workout Warrior College Resume, Experience, Quality of Opponent, i.e. Film is a better evaluation tool for a guy's future. RAS shouldn't be ignored, but it's not an evaluation of playing football, which is what we want them to do well. You are correct but our GM seems to be one of these folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Ultra slow Davante Adams This is bordering on abuse. You must stop immediately. Someone call a doctor for Jet-Engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Warfish said: I think some folks put too much emphasis on the RAS. RAS = Workout Warrior College Resume, Experience, Quality of Opponent, i.e. Film is a better evaluation tool for a guy's future. RAS shouldn't be ignored, but it's not an evaluation of playing football, which is what we want them to do well. Says the fan who has made all of his takes on college players from numbers given his claims that he doesn’t watch college football because it’s minor league football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said: This is bordering on abuse. You must stop immediately. Someone call a doctor for Jet-Engine. We're on the same side. Read my post again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Soooo, Draft Treylon Burks..? I am very bad at receiver analysis. A real blind spot in my otherwise flawless scouting repertoire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Burks 3 cone is 7.28? All the other “unathletic” Hopkins, Kupp etc had 3 cone under 7.00. Metcalf also had a terrible 3 cone (7.38) but a great 40 time 4.33 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 he tested very very badly on the 3 cone...which measures body control and change of direction. that, plus he wasnt asked to run a lot of routes in college. i think the combination of the 2 things is going to give teams pause. that being said, DK had the same issue and i think Deebo wasnt great in the 3 cone either...so those things will help Burks in the draft. I think he is going to go with one of the philly pics just because there is going to be a run on receiver around 10-18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I am very bad at receiver analysis. A real blind spot in my otherwise flawless scouting repertoire. I wanted DK Metcalf at 3 over QW and people mocked....MOCKED me!! ? I think Burk is a bigger Deebo, better than London (who will run a 4.7... if he does run a 40) and the second best WR in the draft behind G. Wilson. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: We're on the same side. Read my post again. Haha, I read his post and was like wut? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, C Mart said: Burks 3 cone is 7.28? All the other “unathletic” Hopkins, Kupp etc had 3 cone under 7.00. Metcalf also had a terrible 3 cone (7.38) but a great 40 time 4.33 i dont know how worried i would be about the 40 time. he has highlights outrunning the entire alabama team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 If it wasn't for the medical red flags Jamison Williams and George Pickens are by far the two best receivers in this draft If Douglas is confident that both can return at %100, that's who we would trade up for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 it doesn't sound like this ras is a very accurate depiction of a player. just look at the 40, and the 20 yd split time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, k-met57 said: i dont know how worried i would be about the 40 time. he has highlights outrunning the entire alabama team. Im not. Was just pointing out a glaring difference with his 3 cone vs the other WR posted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, genot said: If it wasn't for the medical red flags Jamison Williams and George Pickens are by far the two best receivers in this draft If Douglas is confident that both can return at %100, that's who we would trade up for. why is pickens by far one of the best receivers in this draft? what production has he had to warrant that praise? you can have that opinion, but its not based on anything but your projection of the player. He ran a 4.47 at the combine which i guess is fast for a 6'3 guy, but its not DK fast, his other testing was basically same as say Burks. His production was nothing to write home about in college. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 53 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: We're on the same side. Read my post again. It's true. TomShane gaslit me with his incessant posts about RAS scores. I've been duped. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xJayce Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Soooo, Draft Treylon Burks..? No, I think his RAS is too high... There has to be a someone with a lower score at there that will light it up in the NFL! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: I mean that’s been, by far, his best pick. Agreed, maybe that means he changes his philosophy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 40 minutes ago, k-met57 said: why is pickens by far one of the best receivers in this draft? what production has he had to warrant that praise? you can have that opinion, but its not based on anything but your projection of the player. He ran Ia 4.47 at the combine which i guess is fast for a 6'3 guy, but its not DK fast, his other testing was basically same as say Burks. His production was nothing to write home about in college. I think you're right. Probably oversold Pickens. I do feel he's more of a big play threat and better route runner than Burks. Problem with Pickens is he's missed a bunch of games the last two years. Good choice in the 2nd rd, if we double dip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: This is the horrific RAS graph of the notoriously unathletic slug DeAndre Hopkins. Of course. That's why Houston only got a 2nd round pick and a washed up David Johnson when they gave him to Arizona. Now I get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 He wore Alabama out. That's all I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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