Popular Post Pointdexter Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 As a cb I have to admit he checks a lot of boxes. Just shocked at how badly this board wants us to spend a top 10 pick on him for the following reasons: 1) Premium man cover skills are not a must in this defensive scheme. 2) Pressuring the QB, in today's NFL, is way more effective to defending the pass than high end cover guys. Give an NFL QB 3-5 seconds and he will pick even the best corners apart. I would much rather spend a high draft pick on Jermaine Johnson (or someone similar) who can make the QB uncomfortable. 3) Today's NFL is won on offense and we are still way behind other teams with high end players on that side of the ball. I get that people love his nickname. I get that the perceived value of drafting him is very high because of his talent. But let's get a premium player at a premium position if we're drafting top 10. Now if we want to trade back and take a corner, that's a different story. 8 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Last i check CB is a premium position and he is a premium player. Also your not trading down from to 10 to draft sauce. When he is projected to go in the top 10.. that being said WR at 10 is my choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JiF Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 Ummmm, CB is as premium of position as it gets and Sauce might be the best player in the draft so that's sounds quite premium as well. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 He has a great nickname. Apple sauce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Its not the nickname. Its the combination of size speed and production. He really is the "unicorn" of this draft. OL, edge or this frickin guy at 4 are the only acceptable answers imo. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Splash that Sauce on Baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 56 minutes ago, Pointdexter said: As a cb I have to admit he checks a lot of boxes. Just shocked at how badly this board wants us to spend a top 10 pick on him for the following reasons: 1) Premium man cover skills are not a must in this defensive scheme. 2) Pressuring the QB, in today's NFL, is way more effective to defending the pass than high end cover guys. Give an NFL QB 3-5 seconds and he will pick even the best corners apart. I would much rather spend a high draft pick on Jermaine Johnson (or someone similar) who can make the QB uncomfortable. 3) Today's NFL is won on offense and we are still way behind other teams with high end players on that side of the ball. I get that people love his nickname. I get that the perceived value of drafting him is very high because of his talent. But let's get a premium player at a premium position if we're drafting top 10. Now if we want to trade back and take a corner, that's a different story. I think the love comes from the way this draft is built. He wouldn't prevent us from going after a top Edge Rusher and I'd argue the value at WR is the end of the 1st or beginning of the 2nd. It depends if you buy into the rumors of teams throwing at Hall cause they know he won't make a play on the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, Pointdexter said: As a cb I have to admit he checks a lot of boxes. Just shocked at how badly this board wants us to spend a top 10 pick on him for the following reasons: 1) Premium man cover skills are not a must in this defensive scheme. This is not 100% true. You can argue that Saleh played man more that he wanted to cover up deficiencies at the safety position. But the bottom line is that the Jets played A LOT of man last year and CB play was critical in their success/failure on defense. Furthermore, Gardner is specifically a great fit for this defense because he is so good at both zone and man, having played a ton of both at Cincy. 2) Pressuring the QB, in today's NFL, is way more effective to defending the pass than high end cover guys. Give an NFL QB 3-5 seconds and he will pick even the best corners apart. I would much rather spend a high draft pick on Jermaine Johnson (or someone similar) who can make the QB uncomfortable. Sure, I will give you that. I agree. But its relative. If the Jets feel that Gardner is much higher on their board than the 3rd best Edge, why would they take an Edge over Gardner? Just because of positional importance? Furthermore, while there is good Edge depth in this draft- even after Hutch and Thib (Johnson, Karl., Walker). There is nobody like Gardner at the CB position. He is truly a special player and stands out as the top CB prospect in this draft. 3) Today's NFL is won on offense and we are still way behind other teams with high end players on that side of the ball. I come back to the same thing I mentioned above. You don't just ignore your draft board and take someone based on positional need/value. In other words. If we are talking about taking a WR at 4- there IS no WR worth taking at 4 and you will not be able to convince me otherwise. While this draft is pretty deep with solid WR prospects, its a weak WR draft class, especially at the top. I'm not taking London, Wilson, Burks or Williams (coming off injury) at 4. Sorry, not happening. Maybe I take Ekwonu or Neal if he is at the top of my board, but I don't think that is what you meant by your statement. I get that people love his nickname. I get that the perceived value of drafting him is very high because of his talent. But let's get a premium player at a premium position if we're drafting top 10. Now if we want to trade back and take a corner, that's a different story. An alpha, versatile, shut-down CB with size and elite stats and top notch measurables to back it up IS a premium player at a premium position. Its not just the undeniable talent and his nickname. There are a few things not 100% accurate (IMO) in your analysis. I'm not 100% on board with taking Gardner at 4. But if the Jets decided to go that route I would definitely not be disappointed. Also, it depends a lot on how the rest of the draft goes. Imagine this: The Jets draft Gardner at 4, a Pass Rusher at 10 (JJ? Walker? Karl? whomever). Then they move back up into the bottom of Rd. 1 by trading Hall or Echols and take Burks or Olave in the twenties. This addresses a lot of holes and keeps our our draft capital intact to take a LB/OT/S/TE- whatever in Rds. 2 and 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Pointdexter said: As a cb I have to admit he checks a lot of boxes. Just shocked at how badly this board wants us to spend a top 10 pick on him for the following reasons: 1) Premium man cover skills are not a must in this defensive scheme. 2) Pressuring the QB, in today's NFL, is way more effective to defending the pass than high end cover guys. Give an NFL QB 3-5 seconds and he will pick even the best corners apart. I would much rather spend a high draft pick on Jermaine Johnson (or someone similar) who can make the QB uncomfortable. 3) Today's NFL is won on offense and we are still way behind other teams with high end players on that side of the ball. I get that people love his nickname. I get that the perceived value of drafting him is very high because of his talent. But let's get a premium player at a premium position if we're drafting top 10. Now if we want to trade back and take a corner, that's a different story. 100 also consider our whole def system is based up front and pur CB by design is not as important than say the rec Ryan def, then it gets even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pointdexter Posted March 28, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 CB is still a premium position? With the rules favoring the offense so dramatically, even the best corners struggle at times. The days of Deion or Revis locking down one side of the field are done. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturalscience Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 He does have a treasure trove of possible catch phrases. "Covered in Sauce" "Sauce has got em covered" "The sauce is all over that guy" "Is that sauce on you?" "Sticky Sauce" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 hours ago, freestater said: Its not the nickname. Its the combination of size speed and production. He really is the "unicorn" of this draft. OL, edge or this frickin guy at 4 are the only acceptable answers imo. Hey the Nickname is awesome too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 Sauce Gardner has Jalen Ramsey level value - he's just not worth the pick in Saleh's system. You don't need to draft a corner at 4 if you're running zone and not blitzing that much Jets fans are stuck in this 3-4 "Revis Island" way of thinking. We aren't that defense any more 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Pointdexter said: CB is still a premium position? With the rules favoring the offense so dramatically, even the best corners struggle at times. The days of Deion or Revis locking down one side of the field are done. 4 hours ago, freestater said: Its not the nickname. Its the combination of size speed and production. He really is the "unicorn" of this draft. OL, edge or this frickin guy at 4 are the only acceptable answers imo. Agree with both of these. I don't think cornerback is nearly as important as it used to be, but Sauce is an undeniably great prospect. I'd prefer JJ II, one of the OT's if Becky is truly done here, maybe roll-the-dice on Travon Walker for that crazy upside, but I wouldn't be upset with Sauce. He's on the short list of players that, if drafted by JD, will not elicit a 'Storming of the Bastille' moment from me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 If we take him at 4, I would be pissed. Hope we take best available edge at 4. If we then took Gardner at 10, that would be fine. As long as 35 or 38 (or both) are used for WR. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I feel like the pick at #4 will either be Ekwonu, Jermaine Johnson or Thibodeaux. With that said, Sauce Gardner sitting there at #4 could also mean some appetizing trade bait sits in the Jets hand for a team that actually DOES value a man-cover CB. This Draft is definitely deeper at Edge and maybe even OT in the 1st round than it is at CB so that could work in a trade-down scenario. It feels like there's Gardner and then a small group of "other guys" that could start going in the mid to late 1st. But with Edge, there will be at least 2 gone by #4 and likely another 2 to 3 gone by #15. Then you get a whole other group of Edge guys at the end of the 1st into the middle of the 2nd. There simply aren't 3 or 4 Sauce Gardners in this Draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Pointdexter said: As a cb I have to admit he checks a lot of boxes. Just shocked at how badly this board wants us to spend a top 10 pick on him for the following reasons: 1) Premium man cover skills are not a must in this defensive scheme. 2) Pressuring the QB, in today's NFL, is way more effective to defending the pass than high end cover guys. Give an NFL QB 3-5 seconds and he will pick even the best corners apart. I would much rather spend a high draft pick on Jermaine Johnson (or someone similar) who can make the QB uncomfortable. 3) Today's NFL is won on offense and we are still way behind other teams with high end players on that side of the ball. I get that people love his nickname. I get that the perceived value of drafting him is very high because of his talent. But let's get a premium player at a premium position if we're drafting top 10. Now if we want to trade back and take a corner, that's a different story. Other than QB, CB is the one position that can lose a game for you in a single instant. It is a high value position. Along with that, Sauce is the type of player that fits very well in Saleh's defense. Sauce is a do-all type of CB. If you are running a 4-2-5, you need CBs that are complete football players. Cover skills, ability to be physical and above all, instincts and smarts that enable plays to be sniffed out and made any time any place. He's a perfect fit. Sauce and Ickey are the two best players in the draft. I don't like the edge rushers in this draft at all. My big board. Ekwonu Sauce Hamilton London If the the Jets get any one of them, it was a good draft. If they manage two of the four, I build a JD shrine on my front lawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lith said: If we take him at 4, I would be pissed. Hope we take best available edge at 4. If we then took Gardner at 10, that would be fine. As long as 35 or 38 (or both) are used for WR. #35 and #38 will both be used for WR. One WR. DK Metcalf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lith Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: #35 and #38 will both be used for WR. One WR. DK Metcalf AJ Brown. Fixed. 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Never too much baby. Sauce is a Jet in a few weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Edge over corner, please 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Warfish said: So, I am guessing you would prefer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 He’s not just a man cover corner. He’s really good in zone and has good ball skills. Saleh wants corners that can do it all because he wants to blitz on 3rd down. Sauce is perfect for our scheme. I dont expect us to draft him, but I would be excited if we did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 He’s the best player in this draft period. Jermaine Johnson is like Edge 5 or 6 I’ll lose my damn mind if we take him at 4. Most QBs throw the ball in under 3 seconds. Great CB play helps pass rush as much as pass rush helps a secondary. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Lith said: So, I am guessing you would prefer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Pointdexter said: I get that people love his nickname. Sauce "Ahmad" Gardner? (At this point Ahmad is more his nickname than Sauce is) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Other than QB, CB is the one position that can lose a game for you in a single instant. It is a high value position. Along with that, Sauce is the type of player that fits very well in Saleh's defense. Sauce is a do-all type of CB. If you are running a 4-2-5, you need CBs that are complete football players. Cover skills, ability to be physical and above all, instincts and smarts that enable plays to be sniffed out and made any time any place. He's a perfect fit. Sauce and Ickey are the two best players in the draft. I don't like the edge rushers in this draft at all. My big board. Ekwonu Sauce Hamilton London If the the Jets get any one of them, it was a good draft. If they manage two of the four, I build a JD shrine on my front lawn We just signed Reed.whos been bragging about his stats matching up favorably withe the top corners in the league. Bryce Hall is a very good corner. Who's job does Gardner get. Cornerback is not a priority.No way!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 The nickname is not great , it’s super easy to burn sauce lol that Back page headline writes itself lol the head coach just said if he had the fearsome foursome he would want more pass rush. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 If there is one thing I have learned on this site it is: Tomato Gravy Gardner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 The Jets played more man than zone last year. Played the 4th highest Cover 1 % in the entire league. 19th highest percentage of Cover 3. And that’s with 2 rookies and a 2nd year player as the main corners. I highly doubt they are just going to completely change this year with largely the same guys. People need to stop with the system stuff. Saleh isn’t the strict cover 3 guy everyone anticipated he would be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 As for the player and the love for him. He is one of the cleaner prospects in the draft. Good tape, good college history and excellent work out numbers. I do not want to draft a CB early but he is a way cleaner prospect than a lot of guys that will be there for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, genot said: We just signed Reed.whos been bragging about his stats matching up favorably withe the top corners in the league. Bryce Hall is a very good corner. Who's job does Gardner get. Cornerback is not a priority.No way!! I view Reed as competition for Hall. Not in the sense of starting vs not starting but Reed only has guaranteed money for 2 years, Hall has 2 years left on rookie deal. The better player deserves the extension at that point. There were also rumblings of teams throwing at Hall because they knew he wouldn't intercept the ball. Taking Sauce would lock down CB1 for the next 5 - 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I never felt like there was a big push for Sauce on this forum. Weird thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I view Reed as competition for Hall. Not in the sense of starting vs not starting but Reed only has guaranteed money for 2 years, Hall has 2 years left on rookie deal. The better player deserves the extension at that point. There were also rumblings of teams throwing at Hall because they knew he wouldn't intercept the ball. Taking Sauce would lock down CB1 for the next 5 - 7 years. You sure about that. Gardner hasn't played an NFL game yet. Without a pass rush, turnovers are much harder to come by. I think Hall is very good. Been involved in numerous breakups. With a pass rush, they might turn into interceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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