If the jets pass on Thibodeaux at 4 it’s because…

[Tranquilo]

6 minutes ago, David Harris said:

The offense is missing one wideout and a second RB. Otherwise the starting unit is complete.  The defense was 32nd out of 32.

You could never draft too many offensive linemen, IMO. And we need more than one wideout.

[Dwight Englewood]

21 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Because there's a certain "stigmatism" associated with Kayvon.

Some of us are concerned that he plays in a cupcake collegiate conference, has been hyped AF since stepping on campus but never produced more than seven sacks yet speaks like he's already Lawrence Taylor. 

Maybe the Jets feel the same way?

If Pac 10 is cupcake competition what was Zach Wilson facing?

[Dwight Englewood]

9 hours ago, Jets Things said:

...because Sauce Gardner will be the better pro. 

These posts are gonna age as well as Screech from Saved by the Bell

[Jet_Engine1]

21 hours ago, Dwight Englewood said:

 

Look at you, trying so hard. Good for you!

 

[Dwight Englewood]

3 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Look at you, trying so hard. Good for you!

 

Thibodeaux is the best player in the draft.  

[Mogglez]

So glad Philc1 made another account.  Just super duper happy.

[genot]

7 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

So glad Philc1 made another account.  Just super duper happy.

Once we hear that we should trade for Jimmy G, we'll know for sure.

[RedBeardedSavage]

16 minutes ago, Dwight Englewood said:

If Pac 10 is cupcake competition what was Zach Wilson facing?

Zach Wilson also faced cupcake competition.

His arm talent was freakish, just like KT's athleticism. 

But for all the hate Zach gets on these boards, the overwhelming consensus is that he's a good kid that's passionate about football. 

KT you've got to account for both the easy-mode PAC 12 (and btw, his production there versus Zach's in his final year @ BYU) and that he seemingly cares more about his brand than winning and is egotistical in interviews.

Granted, if KT had 14 sacks last year, I don't think I'd care.

But he's supposed to be this all-world prospect, yet he comes off like a douche, did not produce up to his ability and played in a weak conference.

Put those three together and I think he's risky.

He's Bo Callahan, bruh.  

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22 hours ago, Dwight Englewood said:

If the jets pass on Thibodeaux at 4 it’s because…

They could like any of the other Edge Rushers/player more than him.

[Dunnie]

Hutchinson at 4
Sauce at 10

[Mark78]

17 hours ago, Grandy said:

Character concerns are why you'd be afraid, but he is very talented.

Tyreek; character concerns?  He was able to overlook Hill’s flaws, so maybe he takes a chance.  Imagine if we pass and Giants take him, then becomes Mike Strahan 

[Grandy]

20 minutes ago, Mark78 said:

Tyreek; character concerns?  He was able to overlook Hill’s flaws, so maybe he takes a chance.  Imagine if we pass and Giants take him, then becomes Mike Strahan 

It's different when it's a fully developed player as opposed to someone who still has to put in the work to succeed. 

[Mark78]

24 minutes ago, Grandy said:

It's different when it's a fully developed player as opposed to someone who still has to put in the work to succeed. 

I agree, but just saying that JD might overlook some character issues if he thinks KT is an elite player 

[genot]

55 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Hutchinson at 4
Sauce at 10

[CSNY]

1 hour ago, Mark78 said:

Tyreek; character concerns?  He was able to overlook Hill’s flaws, so maybe he takes a chance.  Imagine if we pass and Giants take him, then becomes Mike Strahan 

Never thought much of Strahan and definitely not a Hall of Famer

 To me Justin Tuck was a better ball player 

[HessStation]

I’ll say it, bc he shows all the quintessential traits of being a bust 

[DonCorleone]

If the jets pass on Thibodeaux at 4 it’s because…

They already drafted a "can't miss" type of player in Gholston.

[Dcat]

5 hours ago, HessStation said:

I’ll say it, bc he shows all the quintessential traits of being a bust 

Just like Warren Sapp did.

We passed on Sapp. He had all the signs of a bust. 

Kyle Brady was a fantastic alternative.  If Kt is there, I think he becomes a Jet.  We'll see.

[Scoop24]

12 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Zach Wilson also faced cupcake competition.

His arm talent was freakish, just like KT's athleticism. 

But for all the hate Zach gets on these boards, the overwhelming consensus is that he's a good kid that's passionate about football. 

KT you've got to account for both the easy-mode PAC 12 (and btw, his production there versus Zach's in his final year @ BYU) and that he seemingly cares more about his brand than winning and is egotistical in interviews.

Granted, if KT had 14 sacks last year, I don't think I'd care.

But he's supposed to be this all-world prospect, yet he comes off like a douche, did not produce up to his ability and played in a weak conference.

Put those three together and I think he's risky.

He's Bo Callahan, bruh.  

Context is everything. He had 7 sacks in 10 games. He also got hurt week 3 vs fresno. And still decided to come back and play 7 weeks through injury . When he had nothing to prove and could of shut it down like bosa did.

 

Through Week 8 of the 2021 season, he was a top-three-graded pass-rusher nationally. Thibodeaux generated 23 pressures on 118 rushes and turned in three elite pass-rush grades above 90.0 in five outings (missed Weeks 2 and 3 due to an ankle injury) in that span.

[HessStation]

8 hours ago, Dcat said:

Just like Warren Sapp did.

We passed on Sapp. He had all the signs of a bust. 

Kyle Brady was a fantastic alternative.  If Kt is there, I think he becomes a Jet.  We'll see.

Sorry DL who act like WRs usually bust but there’s always anomalies. Just playing the odds. Also, Warren Sapp had all the right characteristics of being a badass, he just smoked pot in the wrong era.

[Claymation]

If the jets pass on Thibodeaux at 4 it’s because…he's overrated.

He's not a top 10 prospect, let alone a top 4.

[Greensleeves]

I think if they pass on him it's because they like Jermaine Johnson after they had an up close look and feel they can get him at #10. 

[FidelioJet]

17 hours ago, Dwight Englewood said:

If Pac 10 is cupcake competition what was Zach Wilson facing?

What does Zac Wilson have to do with this?

[RedBeardedSavage]

7 hours ago, Scoop24 said:

Context is everything. He had 7 sacks in 10 games. He also got hurt week 3 vs fresno. And still decided to come back and play 7 weeks through injury . When he had nothing to prove and could of shut it down like bosa did.

 

Through Week 8 of the 2021 season, he was a top-three-graded pass-rusher nationally. Thibodeaux generated 23 pressures on 118 rushes and turned in three elite pass-rush grades above 90.0 in five outings (missed Weeks 2 and 3 due to an ankle injury) in that span.

That context is encouraging.

His brand can be huge in NY... if he produces.

What's weird, I just watched this last night:

Talk about a frustrating watch.

To his credit, KT was utterly dominant in that third quarter. But does it feel like his hand usage/technique is very meh? And then there's two question's about Oregon's defense that I cannot answer:

• I don't know if it's the defensive call or not, but his side of the defense gave up the perimeter like half a dozen times early on - isn't that his responsibility?
• Why the F did he drop into coverage so many times early on?

[Rhg1084]

KT is the most talented guy in this draft. If he’s on the board at 4 there’s 0 chance we are passing on him. Saleh dreams about a kid like this screaming off the EDGE 

[UntouchableCrew]

4 hours ago, Claymation said:

If the jets pass on Thibodeaux at 4 it’s because…he's overrated.

He's not a top 10 prospect, let alone a top 4.

How is he not a top ten prospect in this draft?

[Claymation]

58 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

How is he not a top ten prospect in this draft?

Icky, Neal, Wilson, London, Walker, Hutch, Johnson, Sauce, McDuffie and Hamilton, I would take anyone over him. I would also take Mafe, Williams, Olave and Burks over him.

[UntouchableCrew]

1 hour ago, Claymation said:

Icky, Neal, Wilson, London, Walker, Hutch, Johnson, Sauce, McDuffie and Hamilton, I would take anyone over him. I would also take Mafe, Williams, Olave and Burks over him.

This is based on his play or off field stuff?

[Claymation]

This is based on his play or off field stuff?

He takes plays off. He is absent for large part of the game. His skill set isn’t extraordinary.

Why do you think he is worthy of the 4th pick?

[Origen]

6 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

That context is encouraging.

His brand can be huge in NY... if he produces.

What's weird, I just watched this last night:

Talk about a frustrating watch.

To his credit, KT was utterly dominant in that third quarter. But does it feel like his hand usage/technique is very meh? And then there's two question's about Oregon's defense that I cannot answer:

• I don't know if it's the defensive call or not, but his side of the defense gave up the perimeter like half a dozen times early on - isn't that his responsibility?
• Why the F did he drop into coverage so many times early on?

That was pretty good, I would def take him at 4 if he is there, otherwise I am happy with whatever.  I would say that playing UCLA they had Chip Kelly scheming him into those coverage situations as much as he could and more than they wanted, which is what changed in Q3, tho I think he kinda blew his load before the 4th and did not have as much at the end.  He can definitely use some coaching but the size and strength are undeniable, hopefully interviews etc will get them to know whom to pick and that person will become a perennial All Pro short list hall of famer in year #1 training camp.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

I get some of the same vibes from KT that were aired about Vernong Gholston. Not exactly everything, but some of the same vibes. Now, everyone here knows that really good pass rushers have come either in 2nd half of the 1st round or in later rounds. So if the Jets pass on KT, I would trust that based on their experience on the Senior Bowl, they have a solid plan either on 10 or in the 2nd round. 

I honestly wanted Ojabo, at 10, but he effed it up. 

[TuscanyTile2]

On 3/29/2022 at 8:40 AM, Jets Things said:

...because Sauce Gardner will be the better pro. 

And he has the better nickname.

[Dwight Englewood]

On 3/30/2022 at 2:01 AM, HessStation said:

I’ll say it, bc he shows all the quintessential traits of being a bust 

You mean like both Josh Allens?

[Dwight Englewood]

7 hours ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I get some of the same vibes from KT that were aired about Vernong Gholston. Not exactly everything, but some of the same vibes. Now, everyone here knows that really good pass rushers have come either in 2nd half of the 1st round or in later rounds. So if the Jets pass on KT, I would trust that based on their experience on the Senior Bowl, they have a solid plan either on 10 or in the 2nd round. 

I honestly wanted Ojabo, at 10, but he effed it up. 

Hey remember when everyone got Hackenberg vibes from Allen?

[UntouchableCrew]

17 hours ago, Claymation said:

He takes plays off. He is absent for large part of the game. His skill set isn’t extraordinary.

Why do you think he is worthy of the 4th pick?

I think he's a super athletic powerful edge rusher who checks every box in terms of traits and overall production and in terms of overall ability he's one of the top five guys in this draft. I guess I'm in the minority but he has very low bust potential IMHO. Even if he never reaches superstar "All Pro" level I think he'll be a very good pass rusher for a long time.