Untouchable Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The issue with Metcalfe is not that he is a beastly player it is potential character risk. Sure, but the Jets were just willing to give up multiple picks and hand a $30 million a year contract to Hill who is 4 years older and has major well established character issues. Douglas and Saleh know that they’re going to go as far as Zach Wilson goes. If he fails, then Saleh goes back to being a DC somewhere and Douglas is reduced to being Eric DeCosta’s director of player personnel. Nearly all of the top wideouts in the league are divas who stomp and shout when things don’t go their way. The Jets need to take the risk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Moore will play all over the place but I think they mostly want him on the outside. I read an interesting article on Davis in the slot. https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/02/22/ny-jets-move-corey-davis-slot/ (just a small piece from the full article below - but its worth reading the whole thing) While Davis was not on top of his game, his individual issues were not the only reason for his struggles. Davis is better suited for another role, one that the Jets didn’t exploit much in 2021: the slot receiver position. Sliding Corey Davis inside would immensely help his game (and the Jets’ passing offense) From Davis’ perspective, sliding inside would give him more opportunities at: I. free releases, escaping from press-man looks on the outside II. quick, YAC-intended throws, something Davis is great at III. working the middle of the field, something No. 84 does well thanks to his size (think of Eric Decker in 2015) and his football IQ Despite being a physically strong player, most of Corey Davis’ issues came when facing heavy man coverage teams. He had a hard time separating against the Patriots and Broncos’ DBs in Weeks 2 and 3, for example, because those teams came up and pressed Davis constantly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, Untouchable said: Sure, but the Jets were just willing to give up multiple picks and hand a $30 million a year contract to Hill who is 4 years older and has major well established character issues. Douglas and Saleh know that they’re going to go as far as Zach Wilson goes. If he fails, then Saleh goes back to being a DC somewhere and Douglas is reduced to being Eric DeCosta’s director of player personnel. Nearly all of the top wideouts in the league are divas who stomp and shout when things don’t go their way. The Jets need to take the risk Agree. 12 years of drafting and signing Boy Scouts for “culture” and 0 playoff appearances to show for it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooooon Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 3/30/2022 at 1:25 PM, Paradis said: Political suicide for SEA Not buying this for 2 reasons. 1. We are saying Seattle wouldn’t trade with the Jets even if they had the best offer, including a top 10 pick? That would be incredibly shortsighted. 2. Isn’t it logical Seattle will want to recoup the pick they gave away (#10) for Adams, instead of shutting the door on the possibility just because they are butt hurt about the Adams trade? Seattle needs picks and they need them now. That should be their only focus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tooooon said: Not buying this for 2 reasons. 1. We are saying Seattle wouldn’t trade with the Jets even if they had the best offer, including a top 10 pick? That would be incredibly shortsighted. 2. Isn’t it logical Seattle will want to recoup the pick they gave away (#10) for Adams, instead of shutting the door on the possibility just because they are butt hurt about the Adams trade? Seattle needs picks and they need them now. That should be their only focus. Of course. Whether Seattle ends up trading DK or not is a different question - but this idea that they would take less from another team because the Jets won their last trade is just silly. Just imagine the conversation with the owner after Metcalf is traded: Owner (Jody Allen) Hey John, nice trade in moving DK. It was a good move - we got a solid haul and saved $30mm a year...but I heard the Jets offered you more for him. Why didn't you take that deal? GM - (John Schneider) Hi Jody, thanks for the compliment - I passed on the better offer because the last time I traded with the Jet Joe Douglas got the best of me - I'm embarrassed by that...I figured my ego was more important than what was best for the team. Jody Thanks for being honest John. You're fired. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Sure, but the Jets were just willing to give up multiple picks and hand a $30 million a year contract to Hill who is 4 years older and has major well established character issues. Douglas and Saleh know that they’re going to go as far as Zach Wilson goes. If he fails, then Saleh goes back to being a DC somewhere and Douglas is reduced to being Eric DeCosta’s director of player personnel. Nearly all of the top wideouts in the league are divas who stomp and shout when things don’t go their way. The Jets need to take the risk I agree but Hill is by FAR the better player imo and difference maker. Go after him? Sure but I'm not offering as much as i would have for hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I agree but Hill is by FAR the better player imo and difference maker. Go after him? Sure but I'm not offering as much as i would have for hill. 24 v. 28 though. That's a big difference in NFL WR terms. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Tooooon said: No, it’s not. Do you watch the games? He is troll level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I agree but Hill is by FAR the better player imo and difference maker. Go after him? Sure but I'm not offering as much as i would have for hill. Over the last 3 years... Metcalf - 3,170 yards, 29 TDs, 60.3% catch rate Hill - 3,375 yards, 31 TDs, 66.8% catch rate Hill's numbers better. Not sure if I'd say FAR better. Metcalf was a top-10 guy over that span. Davante blew all the numbers of both these guys away. It really speaks to the question of whether the QB makes the WR or vice versa. It's no coincidence they were catching passes from 3 of the 5 best QBs in the game over that span. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, nycdan said: Over the last 3 years... Metcalf - 3,170 yards, 29 TDs, 60.3% catch rate Hill - 3,375 yards, 31 TDs, 66.8% catch rate Hill's numbers better. Not sure if I'd say FAR better. Metcalf was a top-10 guy over that span. Davante blew all the numbers of both these guys away. It really speaks to the question of whether the QB makes the WR or vice versa. It's no coincidence they were catching passes from 3 of the 5 best QBs in the game over that span. Please put up Corey Davis' stats next to those two guys. I need the laugh. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Corey Davis would be great with a true WR1. If JD falls flat in the trade market it won’t be for lack of effort, but Davis might step up and be a WR1. He’s got it in him. Moore could take a big step forward. But you don’t bank on that. JD has shown he is looking for a WR1 like DK if he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Metcalf is in his 4th and last year of his contract at $4mm this year. He can be franchised. So he is probably worth more than Hill, who is older and under a second, more expensive contract. Seattle is in a tough spot having to pay Metcalf without a real QB. They could try trading for Mayfield and make a go of it. Otherwise, they should take a draft pick they could convert into another WR, or another player, and let someone with a QB pay Metcalf $20mm+ next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, varjet said: Metcalf is in his 4th and last year of his contract at $4mm this year. He can be franchised. So he is probably worth more than Hill, who is older and under a second, more expensive contract. Seattle is in a tough spot having to pay Metcalf without a real QB. They could try trading for Mayfield and make a go of it. Otherwise, they should take a draft pick they could convert into another WR, or another player, and let someone with a QB pay Metcalf $20mm+ next year. Also, Metcalf may very well be threatening to hold out this year without a better contract. The franchise tag has got to be over $20mm at this point. I suspect the Jets will be willing to pay him near $30, with likely $100mm+ guaranteed. Imagine playing for $4mm when there's $100mm on the table. At 24 years old he can afford to sit out a year - I would absolutely sit out with that type of risk. Seattle is going to have to pony up $25mm to $30mm a year or trade him. Question is is Seattle willing to do that when they're about to start a full on rebuild. Lastly, Jets may very well be the only team left (based on the Hill sweepstakes) capable/willing to pay both the draft capital and salary. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Moore will play all over the place but I think they mostly want him on the outside. I read an interesting article on Davis in the slot. https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/02/22/ny-jets-move-corey-davis-slot/ (just a small piece from the full article below - but its worth reading the whole thing) While Davis was not on top of his game, his individual issues were not the only reason for his struggles. Davis is better suited for another role, one that the Jets didn’t exploit much in 2021: the slot receiver position. Sliding Corey Davis inside would immensely help his game (and the Jets’ passing offense) From Davis’ perspective, sliding inside would give him more opportunities at: I. free releases, escaping from press-man looks on the outside II. quick, YAC-intended throws, something Davis is great at III. working the middle of the field, something No. 84 does well thanks to his size (think of Eric Decker in 2015) and his football IQ Despite being a physically strong player, most of Corey Davis’ issues came when facing heavy man coverage teams. He had a hard time separating against the Patriots and Broncos’ DBs in Weeks 2 and 3, for example, because those teams came up and pressed Davis constantly. I don’t think Moore will be effective outside, but I’d love to be wrong. Moore didn't catch contested balls last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: I don’t think Moore will be effective outside, but I’d love to be wrong. Moore didn't catch contested balls last season. Yes, but he's so quick and fast - he's very effective downfield. He's going to get those chunk plays. You're not taking advantage of his burst if he keep him in the slot. He def. doesn't have ideal height and they'lll def. move him around (so he'll play in the slot) - but I think they want to use him outside more often. We'll see though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Davis might very well be playing in the slot if we got DK but he's definitely playing over Berrios. DK, Moore and Davis - would be a solid group of WR's for sure. Really think Corey over Berrios in the slot? Not sure I agree with that but either way it’s a solid starting O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: I don’t think Moore will be effective outside, but I’d love to be wrong. Moore didn't catch contested balls last season. Limited role as a rookie but I do believe he has the skill set to play inside or outside. He’ll be a versatile WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdub03 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: I don’t think Moore will be effective outside, but I’d love to be wrong. Moore didn't catch contested balls last season. https://www.google.com/amp/s/jetsxfactor.com/2021/11/23/elijah-moore-outside-wr-slot/amp/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 50 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: I don’t think Moore will be effective outside, but I’d love to be wrong. Moore didn't catch contested balls last season. His blocking was a liability on the outside, my biggest gripe with him. Other than that, just get the guy on the field anywhere you can and we’re good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 If a WR like Metcalf costs $30mm, wouldn't you rather take your favorite WR in this draft at 4 for $8mm, and then take another at 10 for $5mm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, varjet said: If a WR like Metcalf costs $30mm, wouldn't you rather take your favorite WR in this draft at 4 for $8mm, and then take another at 10 for $5mm? No, they're both rolls of the dice, and even if you hit it'll take a year for them to get there. It's time the Jets to start winning games. We have no one to pay - we can't attract big time WR's to pay - we don't need to lead the league in cap space every year. it's time. If there's a true impact player like DK available - you do what it takes to get him. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: No, they're both rolls of the dice, and even if you hit it'll take a year for them to get there. It's time the Jets to start winning games. We have no one to pay - we can't attract big time WR's to pay - we don't need to lead the league in cap space every year. it's time. If there's a true impact player like DK available - you do what it takes to get him. I was pissed after they did not show interest in Cooper. I thought the slow build was still in progress. But the rest of the off-season has shown JD agrees with you. WR is where to use the rookie QB cap money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Be warned, NYJ Mike will beat yo ass if you try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Corey Davis and a 2nd for Metcalf. Make it happen Tanny. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Corey Davis and a 2nd for Metcalf. Make it happen Tanny. Straight up. No 2nd. Or even better, Mims for Metcalf. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted June 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Corey Davis and a 2nd for Metcalf. Make it happen Tanny. Yeah but did he skip the voluntary? Because that's big news. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Corey Davis and a 2nd for Metcalf. Make it happen Tanny. Tanny's back!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 DK would actually be somewhat of an ideal fit for Zach's skillset. He thrived at BYU heaving deep 50/50 shots along the boundary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: Corey Davis and a 2nd for Metcalf. Make it happen Tanny. Lol Really, though, if he gets injured in camp then he never cashes in. It’s not like he’s been on a 1st rounder’s contract all this time; to date he’s made (pre-tax) $3.5MM in 3 years. As he’s looking at some $100MM effectively guaranteed, just so long as he doesn’t get injured, he can’t risk that. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 LFG! Time for JD to make some more magic happen. No Deebo no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, JiFapono said: Yeah but did he skip the voluntary? Because that's big news. Not when you're known for your absurdly high level of fitness, conditioning, and work ethic.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 8 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: Corey Davis and a 2nd for Metcalf. Make it happen Tanny. I was about to scold whoever bumped this thread for being responsible for giving you heart palpitations, until I scrolled through and saw you were the responsible party. Carry on, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 11 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Not when you're known for your absurdly high level of fitness, conditioning, and work ethic.... Ah yes, if only Mekhi Becton showed up for those 3 days in April he would be in the finest of shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 He realizes he has to strike now. He knows he will not have the same numbers without Wilson and that will impact his future earning potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 39 minutes ago, Butterfield said: He realizes he has to strike now. He knows he will not have the same numbers without Wilson and that will impact his future earning potential. I’m looking forward to the Tariq Hill lost a step threads after half a season in Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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