Popular Post Alka Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 The Jets invested in the draft in 2020 in Bryce Hall by picking him in the 5th round. He is a young guy, who I think has proven himself, and needs to continue to have playing time to develop to his fullest capabilities. In 2021, the Jets invested draft capital in Michael Carter II and Echols, both cornerbacks, and both who have shown promise, and need playing time to continue with their development. Then, this offseason, the Jets signed DJ Reed from the Seahawks, and rewarded him with a 3 year, $33,000,000.00 contract to start at cornerback. So now, we have 2 cornerback positions, and 4 players who will make this team. DJ Reed is a proven starter, and the other 3 young guys, have proven that they need to be on the field to continue their development. If the Jets select Sauce at #4, then he will need to be an instant starter on this defense, opposite DJ Reed. Surely and upgrade over the other 3 guys we have, but still, players who you want to have the opportunity to play. It just doesn't seem to be enough of a need to use the 4th overall pick on a cornerback, who will rob the opportunities from the other 3 players who you invested a lot into already. After all, Sauce, as great as he may be, does not improve the pass rush, or significantly upgrade the run defense in my view. I'm looking for someone to explain to me how I'm not seeing this correctly. 8 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 They won’t. 6 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 You can never have enough good corners. That said, I don’t see us drafting him. I think the Jets want him taken 1-3 to push other prospects to them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post derp Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 I don’t think NFL GM’s perceive need the same way fans do. There’s an argument to be made Gardner is the best player in the draft, he plays a premium position the Jets could upgrade that, and fits the scheme. If they think he’s the best player on the board, reasonable they might take him. There are of course arguments the other way, but if they take him it’s probably something really simple like that. Douglas made a point to say they used free agency to give themselves a chance to be flexible in the draft. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 The sauce was a hot pick before FA, now the pick feels very mehhh at 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 There not . Nothing to explain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kdels62 Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 Best player in the draft. Bryce Hall is a serviceable player but you don't pass on a potential All-Pro for an average starter especially at a position of high value like CB. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 It will be edge or OL or both. Depends if they get a WR in a trade before the draft. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 If the Jets pick Gardner at 4 or 10 it won't be because they are actively searching to upgrade at CB, it will be because he is by afar the best player left. For me he seems like the cleanest pick in the early part of the draft. I do not want a secondary player in the 1st round but would understand it if the jets take him. 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 The Jets play nickel and dime more than base. I don't know the numbers, but I think the average NFL team plays nickel 60% of the time and dime another 15%. That means there are more than 2 CBs on the field. I think Javelin Guidry played like 500 snaps. If Gardener is that good, he makes sense. They love to rotate guys and I think they liked the idea of Carter playing some safety. I don't think these guys prioritize CB much, but hopefully they'd find a way to work with it. I don't think they'd do it, but it's not a crazy idea. It might be my choice, but I don't really like their style of D 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ruby2 Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 When are people going to realize that part of certain players appeal is based on what other players are available? This guy will be the safest player at 4, arguable the best available, and plays a premium position. Sometimes it really is just checkers. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 He's better than any edge not named Aidan. Those other guys are too risky. Get the guy who can be a #1 corner. We currently have two #2’s. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Did we ever regret drafting Revis (until the Roscoe Diner scene in Hard Knocks anyway)? I don't know if Gardner will be that good (long shot), but he does seem to be highly regarded. Anyone have an opinion on Gardner vs. Surtain from 2021? Ultimately, he makes CB1 and CB2 much better than otherwise. No, CBs can't shut down WRs as easily as in the past, but you still have to put some on the field and they have to make plays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 When you're picking this high you go for the elite, elite player at premium positions. I don't think they take him, but if you think he's an elite #1 corner I get it. I also think Jets fans are higher on Bryce Hall than the org is. I'm not even sure he starts opposite Reed. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sec101row23 Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2022 If you’re confused about taking arguably the best player in the draft then I would suggest reviewing what the purpose of the draft is all about. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 It wouldn’t be my pick. I would take a pass rusher. with that said, the corner group needs help. . It’s an expensive premium position to fill in free agency. Not the craziest idea 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Would you rather have someone like Maxx Crosby or Richard Sherman? Sherman, in his prime, was clearly the better player. But why do I feel like Crosby, or pick your good-not-great pass rusher, is more valuable in 2022 NFL than prime Sherman? Am I batsh*t crazy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, nycdan said: Did we ever regret drafting Revis (until the Roscoe Diner scene in Hard Knocks anyway)? I don't know if Gardner will be that good (long shot), but he does seem to be highly regarded. Anyone have an opinion on Gardner vs. Surtain from 2021? Ultimately, he makes CB1 and CB2 much better than otherwise. No, CBs can't shut down WRs as easily as in the past, but you still have to put some on the field and they have to make plays. For every Revis there’s 5 dee milliners 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 46 minutes ago, derp said: I don’t think NFL GM’s perceive need the same way fans do. There’s an argument to be made Gardner is the best player in the draft, he plays a premium position the Jets could upgrade that, and fits the scheme. If they think he’s the best player on the board, reasonable they might take him. There are of course arguments the other way, but if they take him it’s probably something really simple like that. Douglas made a point to say they used free agency to give themselves a chance to be flexible in the draft. And dont forget how good a complete, well rounded DB would do in a base 4-2-5 where a DB's instincts, smarts and ability to be physical would be *ideal*. And there is also his excellent character, drive and leadership qualities. I'd be very happy with Sauce at 4, thought I'd prefer Ickey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Best player in the draft. Bryce Hall is a serviceable player but you don't pass on a potential All-Pro for an average starter especially at a position of high value like CB. Yes you do when you do not have even remotely average starters or major question marks at other positions (DL, OL, WR) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 There’s the very real possibility that the Top 3 could go Hutchinson, Thibodeaux and Walker in whichever order. Would people really want to draft a dude like Jermaine Johnson over Gardner? Gardner and a dude like Karlaftis at #10 is starting to become my preferred route in the 1st round. Especially since I can damn near guarantee that the Jets are going to make a trade for a wideout before the draft. You’re not willing to fork over $30 million a year and multiple draft picks for a guy like Hill if you’re totally satisfied with one of these wideouts at the top of the draft. Even if it’s a less splashy move for someone like Tyler Lockett or Brandin Cooks, something is going to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouserJet Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I don’t think it can be a bad thing Sauce getting all this press. Hopefully it means teams a bit lower, who are hoping he’ll fall, might offer us a haul. It depends how confident we are with our picks. I like sauce, he’d be a solid fit, and would take him. But the big build can fit perfect for us, if people think he’ll go early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vader said: Yes you do when you do not have even remotely average starters or major question marks at other positions (DL, OL, WR) JFM/ Carl Lawson/ Bryce Huff/ Jonathan Martin are all effective edge players when healthy. OL has 5 starters in place WR has 2 starters, 1 of which is a proven NFL number 2 receiver and the other is a high potential 2nd year guy. There's also an effective slot weapon that was improving until his injury last year. JFM, Carl Lawson, Elijah Moore, Corey Davis, Fant, Becton (if healthy) are all better at what they do than Bryce Hall or Brandin Echols. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Untouchable said: There’s the very real possibility that the Top 3 could go Hutchinson, Thibodeaux and Walker in whichever order. Would people really want to draft a dude like Jermaine Johnson over Gardner? Gardner and a dude like Karlaftis at #10 is starting to become my preferred route in the 1st round. Especially since I can damn near guarantee that the Jets are going to make a trade for a wideout before the draft. You’re not willing to fork over $30 million a year and multiple draft picks for a guy like Hill if you’re totally satisfied with one of these wideouts at the top of the draft. Even if it’s a less splashy move for someone like Tyler Lockett or Brandin Cooks, something is going to happen. If edge goes 1 2 and 3 i think the jets take ekongwu and then Karlaftis or jj at 10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: If edge goes 1 2 and 3 i think the jets take ekongwu and then Karlaftis or jj at 10. The only way I can see the Jets taking Ekwonu is if they’re totally done with Becton. And even then I wouldn’t be thrilled about it. Douglas as a former OL and respected scout should be able to find quality starting OL outside of the Top 15 of the draft and high priced FA pickups. If the Jets stick at #4, I think it’s virtually guaranteed that they’re either taking Gardner or one of the edgerushers. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: If you’re confused about taking arguably the best player in the draft then I would suggest reviewing what the purpose of the draft is all about. That's cute, but simplistic. We were told we got the best player in the draft with Leo Williams, Jamal Adams and Quinnen Williams. Most of this board was stroking Big Mac's coffee cups after each of those selections. I think the OP presents a valid point. Are the Jets a better team picking a CB and having Hall and Echols on the bench, or are they better off filling a more pressing position of need with a top rated player? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Because we are cursed and as a result will pass on Thibodeaux for a lesser player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, kdels62 said: JFM/ Carl Lawson/ Bryce Huff/ Jonathan Martin are all effective edge players when healthy. OL has 5 starters in place WR has 2 starters, 1 of which is a proven NFL number 2 receiver and the other is a high potential 2nd year guy. There's also an effective slot weapon that was improving until his injury last year. JFM, Carl Lawson, Elijah Moore, Corey Davis, Fant, Becton (if healthy) are all better at what they do than Bryce Hall or Brandin Echols. Lawson is coming off a serious Achilles tear. It’s wishful thinking at best 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Untouchable said: The only way I can see the Jets taking Ekwonu is if they’re totally done with Becton. And even then I wouldn’t be thrilled about it. Douglas as a former OL and respected scout should be able to find quality starting OL outside of the Top 15 of the draft and high priced FA pickups. If the Jets stick at #4, I think it’s virtually guaranteed that they’re either taking Gardner or one of the edgerushers. I think they may be done with becton, and i would not be surprised if douglas has a trade in place if they take an OT at 4. Douglas’ job depends on wilson succeeding and if he has to go OL again early and trade a mistake it is better for the jets and his job security than relying on becton to get his act together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, Untouchable said: There’s the very real possibility that the Top 3 could go Hutchinson, Thibodeaux and Walker in whichever order. Would people really want to draft a dude like Jermaine Johnson over Gardner? Gardner and a dude like Karlaftis at #10 is starting to become my preferred route in the 1st round. Especially since I can damn near guarantee that the Jets are going to make a trade for a wideout before the draft. You’re not willing to fork over $30 million a year and multiple draft picks for a guy like Hill if you’re totally satisfied with one of these wideouts at the top of the draft. Even if it’s a less splashy move for someone like Tyler Lockett or Brandin Cooks, something is going to happen. If that’s the case draft Willis at 4 and see if we can get a package in a trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, Augustiniak said: I think they may be done with becton, and i would not be surprised if douglas has a trade in place if they take an OT at 4. Douglas’ job depends on wilson succeeding and if he has to go OL again early and trade a mistake it is better for the jets and his job security than relying on becton to get his act together. The pass protection was good last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, shuler82 said: That's cute, but simplistic. We were told we got the best player in the draft with Leo Williams, Jamal Adams and Quinnen Williams. Most of this board was stroking Big Mac's coffee cups after each of those selections. I think the OP presents a valid point. Are the Jets a better team picking a CB and having Hall and Echols on the bench, or are they better off filling a more pressing position of need with a top rated player? How is CB not a need though? Look, Edge and CB are the most valuable positions on defense and you need multiple players at each position. Corner is hardley a stacked position group right now. If Thibs or Hutchinson are available you can make the case for those guys as well, but to discount Gardner because there is this false sense of security with the CB position would be beyond foolish on JD’s part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, sec101row23 said: How is CB not a need though? Look, Edge and CB are the most valuable positions on defense and you need multiple players at each position. Corner is hardley a stacked position group right now. If Thibs or Hutchinson are available you can make the case for those guys as well, but to discount Gardner because there is this false sense of security with the CB position would be beyond foolish on JD’s part. CB is a need but it is much more easily solved than Edge rusher. Which is why we have had plenty of good to even great corners over the years but no actual edge rusher since Abe 16 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 The game has changed dudes, offensive schemes and the reffing and the league has changed. The days of Revis island are much less than they once were and the value of CBs' is lower than it used to be. Having a high end CB is still nice but not the advantage it once was. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, kdels62 said: JFM/ Carl Lawson/ Bryce Huff/ Jonathan Martin are all effective edge players when healthy. OL has 5 starters in place WR has 2 starters, 1 of which is a proven NFL number 2 receiver and the other is a high potential 2nd year guy. There's also an effective slot weapon that was improving until his injury last year. JFM, Carl Lawson, Elijah Moore, Corey Davis, Fant, Becton (if healthy) are all better at what they do than Bryce Hall or Brandin Echols. Disagree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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