Popular Post T0mShane Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/saints-eagles-trade-picks-how-schematic-trends-affect/id1528622068?i=1000556247865 Robert Mays and former NFL QB scrub QB Nate Tice discussing trends in football, particularly at receiver, and why that’s created a feeding frenzy for guys who can line up in the slot but still run the route tree of an outside receiver. Then on the flip side, how this way of playing has marginalized a lot of existing personnel in the league. I thought it was interesting, especially considering that the Jets don’t have any of the types of players they’re referencing, but how they could attack this in the draft. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 Observation: This The Athletic Podcast is great, the PFF podcast sucks, but The Draft Network podcast is easily the worst, most insipid waste of digital space I’ve ever stumbled upon. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Mays and Tice are fantastic Twitter follows. I am looking forward to listening to this. I believe Tice is the son of Mike Tice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I love the statement about how Favre is kind of the archetype of the current en vogue QB. It’s wild, but pretty true. The big armed gunslinger is the flavor currently, no doubt. The Cerebral underneath surgeon won’t get it done anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I love the statement about how Favre is kind of the archetype of the current en vogue QB. It’s wild, but pretty true. The big armed gunslinger is the flavor currently, no doubt. The Cerebral underneath surgeon won’t get it done anymore. If you had said the Cerebral underneath QB who needed a surgeon then you'd have described Chad Pennington perfectly. Even so, you were pretty close. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Observation: This The Athletic Podcast is great, the PFF podcast sucks, but The Draft Network podcast is easily the worst, most insipid waste of digital space I’ve ever stumbled upon. Robert Mays is really good 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I love the statement about how Favre is kind of the archetype of the current en vogue QB. It’s wild, but pretty true. The big armed gunslinger is the flavor currently, no doubt. The Cerebral underneath surgeon won’t get it done anymore. Those comments definitely made me feel better about the Wilson pick. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 36 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Observation: This The Athletic Podcast is great, the PFF podcast sucks, but The Draft Network podcast is easily the worst, most insipid waste of digital space I’ve ever stumbled upon. The Athletic generally makes quality product. PFF Tailgate is the whitest, frat boy, peaked in college podcast out there but their draft analysis is decent when they get to it. The Draft Dudes by The Draft Network is just rubbish. They’re always wrong and they always talk about their process and it’s embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: The Athletic generally makes quality product. PFF Tailgate is the whitest, frat boy, peaked in college podcast out there but their draft analysis is decent when they get to it. The Draft Dudes by The Draft Network is just rubbish. They’re always wrong and they always talk about their process and it’s embarrassing. The one I was listening to was The Draft Dudes and I had to turn it off. It was just strange pauses and Kyle Crabbs being a straight up weirdo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Those comments definitely made me feel better about the Wilson pick. He needs a DK Metcalf type to clean up his indiscretions like an NFL receiving Ray Donovan. In this example Mims is Bunchy, 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 If you buy their line of thinking, which I do, and believe Joe D might have similar beliefs(which I’m not sure) I’d almost put my money on Drake London and not Wilson. Or neither in RD one and a guy like Pickens or Watson in RD 2. Davis in that “power slot” role with Moore moving all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: If you buy their line of thinking, which I do, and believe Joe D might have similar beliefs(which I’m not sure) I’d almost put my money on Drake London and not Wilson. Or neither in RD one and a guy like Pickens or Watson in RD 2. Davis in that “power slot” role with Moore moving all over. Watson around 20 would be more realistic. He is very unlikely to make it to the second round as there are a ton of teams likely to take receiver after 20. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Watson around 20 would be more realistic. He is very unlikely to make it to the second round as there are a ton of teams likely to take receiver after 20. Maybe. Not sure I agree but it wouldn’t surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said: I love the statement about how Favre is kind of the archetype of the current en vogue QB. It’s wild, but pretty true. The big armed gunslinger is the flavor currently, no doubt. The Cerebral underneath surgeon won’t get it done anymore. Funny this has always been true, players with less of these attributes get over looked . Brady is the poster child for that argument. Its also why the NFL has such a lack of elite QB's and for the most part 3/4's of the league have trouble finding that "guy" or 3/4's of the league pass on that "guy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said: I love the statement about how Favre is kind of the archetype of the current en vogue QB. It’s wild, but pretty true. The big armed gunslinger is the flavor currently, no doubt. The Cerebral underneath surgeon won’t get it done anymore. Except, that’s literally Tom Brady the GOAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Except, that’s literally Tom Brady the GOAT. Cheating trumps all. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoot-Face Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: Mays and Tice are fantastic Twitter follows. I am looking forward to listening to this. I believe Tice is the son of Mike Tice In other words, you're saying he's... Mike Tice son. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Those comments definitely made me feel better about the Wilson pick. I could get behind a Garret Wilson pick, too, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 47 minutes ago, The Crusher said: He needs a DK Metcalf type to clean up his indiscretions like an NFL receiving Ray Donovan. In this example Mims is Bunchy, No, Mims would be Terry, because he can't hold onto anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Except, that’s literally Tom Brady the GOAT. It was also Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, etc. No one is arguing it hasn’t had its dominant place in the NFLfor a long time. Times change, the game evolves. It’s hard to get in depth in a post of the ins and outs of what they discuss. Some may buy it, some won’t, but they make very reasonable points. It was a terrific listen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 34 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: No, Mims would be Terry, because he can't hold onto anything. Cold. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Some owners want to win and watched the bills- chiefs game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Drake london pushing back his 'personal' pro day back a week due to a 'hamstring strain' He's probably running as fast as Hamilton. Fug this guy I want no part of him. Dude you are not good enough to keep pushing around pro days this time of year. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Drake london pushing back his 'personal' pro day back a week due to a 'hamstring strain' He's probably running as fast as Hamilton. Fug this guy I want to part of him. Dude you are not good enough to keep pushing around pro days this time of year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: If you buy their line of thinking, which I do, and believe Joe D might have similar beliefs(which I’m not sure) I’d almost put my money on Drake London and not Wilson. Or neither in RD one and a guy like Pickens or Watson in RD 2. Davis in that “power slot” role with Moore moving all over. Would love that and even double dip at WR and grab a speedster guy for depth in round 3 or 4: Calvin Austin III Wan'Dale Robinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: Those comments definitely made me feel better about the Wilson pick. Wilson was not good this year and that was only slightly remedied by a few not great but promising games of clean football. The important thing is the future. The guy is the exact prototype that dominates the NFL. He has the crazy arm talent, silky smooth throwing mechanics, and mobility in the backfield. If he works really hard and smart he'll be just fine in the NFL, but there's still a long ways to go. I will say, it is promising to see how much effort he's put in so far. One thing he exceeded my expectations in last year was his toughness and grit. We'll see though. I'm definitely not sold on him being a star yet, but I also don't think the possibility is as small as some think. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackerNation Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 55 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Drake london pushing back his 'personal' pro day back a week due to a 'hamstring strain' He's probably running as fast as Hamilton. Fug this guy I want to part of him. Dude you are not good enough to keep pushing around pro days this time of year. It is already sketchy when you don't run at the combine. Now you are pushing off your pro day to try and figure out a way to not show the world you run a 4.59? Just own it. You aren't that fast. It's ok bruh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: Those comments definitely made me feel better about the Wilson pick. NVM: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Just checked their archives and no Manish episodes. Invalid pod. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Thanks for posting, solid listen. I’m about halfway through. The discussion on the X guys is interesting because the examples they gave - Williams and Higgins - have other receivers on their offense who get more targets and yards than they do. I do think the Jets want a guy who can do that, I’d think mostly because they want defenses to have to account for that guy while Moore can attack all levels of the field and be their primary target guy. I also think comparing Drake London to those guys is dangerous, given London wasn’t a downfield player at all in college. He fits more into the big slot role they’re describing IMO. Certainly runs the risk of a team trying to turn him into something he isn’t, unless there’s a lot he didn’t show in college. But I think I’d let that be a pleasant surprise when I’m banking on him being a big slot and use him outside some too if I can, rather than assuming he can do something in the pros he wasn’t asked to do in college. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Like others have said - Jets need to load up on WRs. It's all about the 3+ WR sets now in this league. Outscoring will win you more games than playing good defense. The rules favor scoring points, WRs running freely and QBs being protected from big hits. Jets should take 2 receivers in the 1st 2 rounds. I'm ok with 2 receivers, a TE and a RB/OT. Time for the Jets to complete in the 21st century. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Really good listen, appreciate the post @T0mShane It's cool to hear intelligent, well-informed people like this establish why a someone with Wilson's skillset makes sense for this current meta in the league. The receiver talk was great as well, but it only made me like Christian Watson even more - I didn't know "the X" was not just about having someone big and physical, but rather someone who can attack vertically. I agree with others here, Corey Davis is the 'big slot'. But more than anything I'm still looking at McLaurin, Brown and DK for that true X. Watson could be it, someday, but I want someone that's ready to contribute this year. IMO, we've done solid job this offseason so far, but the true test is hitting on that pass-rusher and swinging a trade for one of those three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Drake london pushing back his 'personal' pro day back a week due to a 'hamstring strain' He's probably running as fast as Hamilton. Fug this guy I want no part of him. Dude you are not good enough to keep pushing around pro days this time of year. He's gonna run a 4.77 whether it was today, the 15th, or Christmas day 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 53 minutes ago, Barton said: Like others have said - Jets need to load up on WRs. It's all about the 3+ WR sets now in this league. Outscoring will win you more games than playing good defense. The rules favor scoring points, WRs running freely and QBs being protected from big hits. Jets should take 2 receivers in the 1st 2 rounds. I'm ok with 2 receivers, a TE and a RB/OT. Time for the Jets to complete in the 21st century. Load up on WRs for sure, but just don't use early round 1 picks to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: He's gonna run a 4.77 whether it was today, the 15th, or Christmas day Next Anquan Boldin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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