jetsons Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Shockingly, Kevin Mawaes RAS score was a 7.15 Nick Mangolds calculated at 9.1 And shockingly, I ran our own Connor McGoverns scores from his combine out of Missouri.. https://ras.football/2017/01/17/oc-relative-athletic-scores-ras-table/ The "ras" is nice & something more for fans to "get off" on but as is Clearly shown here not a predictor of good/great play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, doitny said: your arm length is your arm length, doesnt matter how tall you are. its not like your weight where 6-4 being 320 is the same as 6-2 being 300. IDK but i just pulled up 5 articles that all same the same thing. his arm length is a concern. only Mangold and John Sullivan ( 31.5) had under 32 inch arms and were good at center. and Lindenbaum's wingspan is 75 5/8 as compared to Humpries at 79 1/2. i keep searching for Mangold wingspan but i cant find it. with those warning signs and no Pro day or combine its too risky for 35 and 38. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/spencer-long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 4 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: That would be…I honestly don’t even know what I’d do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 He wont fall to the second. I’d 100% trade back into the first round for him if he’s falling into the mid-twenties. He’s as close to a can’t miss as you can get at the position. Need’s be damned he’s Mawae/Mangold type who can carry that line for 10+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 4 hours ago, doitny said: guys his stock isnt dropping cause he is a center, or cause he cant run a cone, its dropping cause his arms are so short. and they aren't getting any longer. Are you saying that scouts and GMs looked at film, rated him a first round pick, then saw a measurement and decided he wasn't that good anymore? His arms didn't just shrink in the wash ... the whole notion that his position on draft boards is changing is laughable to me. He may be dropping down on MOCK drafts, but I doubt that teams have done a 360 on him because of a measurement. I guess Kyle Hamilton will be in the 2nd round too after his 40 time? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 7 hours ago, T0mShane said: Scouts: “Hmmm, you cannot take DK Metcalf in Round One because of his three cone!” <two years pass> GMs: Please take these two first round picks so I can pay DK Metcalf $90 million in cash please. I drafted Denzel Mims and his excellent three cone. This was alot the people on this board as well.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 7 hours ago, Fantasy Island said: Sign me up for a potential Center for a decade for us Yeah why aren’t we drafting him at 10 after all the success with mangold and mawae? we can get another Wr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 7 hours ago, BigRy56 said: Man if Linderbaum dropped to 35 that would be some luck He will fall due to stupidity but all the way to 35 I doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 5 hours ago, jetsons said: The "ras" is nice & something more for fans to "get off" on but as is Clearly shown here not a predictor of good/great play. You act like GM's don't use this metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: You have too much time on your hands ... Would never even know where to find crap like that. I'm guessing you're into graphic design lol... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 6 hours ago, doitny said: wow some of you guys are so hard up for a OL . guys his stock isnt dropping cause he is a center, or cause he cant run a cone, its dropping cause his arms are so short. and they aren't getting any longer. im not a pro scout but from what i read 31 inch arms are a problem. Mangold was 31 7/8 and Humpries is 31 3/4. and hes not strong. and before we put a gold jacket on Humpries after a year remember he played with the one of the best QBs and they tend to make there OL look really good. I'm guessing you've never wrestled before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Double dip, sorry.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 56 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: You act like GM's don't use this metric. Nah the Jets GM’s call their most trusted media draft expert and ask them what they think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 9 hours ago, T0mShane said: Every year, IOLs and WRs fall into the second and third round because they don’t meet the criteria, then two years later, teams are desperately trying to sign or trade for those same players because scouts are generally ignorant hillbillies who couldn’t cut it as position coaches in D-III. You say that now, but when Linderbaum is out there struggling to get his hands on 6'5 300lb lineman trying bull doze him over because his arm length is half a centimeter smaller than the average starting Center in the NFL, you'll be like damn! Dudes looking like Trex out here trying to block! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: You act like GM's don't use this metric. GMs will use the metric - but not as the be all and end all. And this is where I think that the claim that Linderbaum is "dropping" is more to do with mock drafts than actual GM draft boards. None of us know the exact way that teams put their boards together, but if they're significantly altering them as a result of combines and workouts it would suggest they shouldn't be running a team, IMO. Let's say the Jets had an evaluation of Linderbaum based on their scouting reports and scored him as 78 / 100. Combine and so on could potentially increase that to 79 or 80, or decrease it to 77 or 76. But if they significantly change their rating - like up to 90 or down to 60 - then they need to look long and hard about why this is the case. Mock drafts on the other hand are more throwaway - and if you just publish the same one every week or month, you don't get the clicks. You've almost got to have a "hot take" with guys rising and falling to get interest and stand out from all the other mocks. How often do these analysts write a new piece of "Player X still looks like a mid-second round draft pick"? They hype up 40 times and hand size and how a player can jump out of a swimming pool to create interest and attention - whether or not it actually matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 I don’t think center is high on the priority list. I could see them trading up for burks if he really falls, even though his RAS score wasn’t good and douglas seems to value that a lot. In the end i think wr will not be addressed in round 1, just a gut here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 10 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: Except I’ll be naked…..running backwards Yikes! Corn cuts! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxville Jets Fan Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Burks at 35 sounds good to me. There will be good WRs available in round 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 10 hours ago, T0mShane said: Every year, IOLs and WRs fall into the second and third round because they don’t meet the criteria, then two years later, teams are desperately trying to sign or trade for those same players because scouts are generally ignorant hillbillies who couldn’t cut it as position coaches in D-III. I think the NFL has the same problem that plagues MLB.....the analytic assholes that are running the front offices around the league. Scouts know what to look for in players, they see things on tape, in workouts, that more accurately predict how good a player will be than 40 times etc. Just to use an example near and dear to our hearts, Zuniga tested off the charts with RAS. Zack Thomas lasted until the 3rd rd for the same idiocy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Use a 2nd rd pick on Linderbaum. No. Not if we would lose out on a Chad Muma or a Travis Jones. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 7 hours ago, jetsons said: The "ras" is nice & something more for fans to "get off" on but as is Clearly shown here not a predictor of good/great play. That was kind of the point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 I heard someone recently compare Linderbaum to Tyler Biadasz (Cowboys). Talked about shorter arms and lack of strength as an issue. Don't know if it was a valid comparison or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said: I heard someone recently compare Linderbaum to Tyler Biadasz (Cowboys). Talked about shorter arms and lack of strength as an issue. Don't know if it was a valid comparison or not. FWIW, Linderbaum is one of the strongest Pound for Pound weight room performers in program history under Ferentz, which spans nearly 25 years now and has produced some monsters. He holds several one rep max revords for his position, one being squat. He set the Squat record in 2019 when he was 19 I believe. So he’s naturally strong and he’s obviously grown on that. Arm length sure. Strength, he’s an ox. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjetman Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 That would be…I honestly don’t even know what I’d do.sauce won’t be there at 10Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 I’m guessing that most of you guys jumping all over Linderbaum at #35 would’ve been happy with the undersized IOL at #10 before this article popped up. The OL isn’t the issue on this team. It’s maybe the best position group they have right now. Edge, WR, DB, TE, RB, LB are all much more needy positions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 AVT was considered a possible TRex. 32.13" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said: I heard someone recently compare Linderbaum to Tyler Biadasz (Cowboys). Talked about shorter arms and lack of strength as an issue. Don't know if it was a valid comparison or not. Also Garrett Bradbury. Highly regarded prospect. Hasn't been very good with Vikings. You never know. He could be great. It's a risk. With so many other needs. I say, no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, slats said: I’m guessing that most of you guys jumping all over Linderbaum at #35 would’ve been happy with the undersized IOL at #10 before this article popped up. The OL isn’t the issue on this team. It’s maybe the best position group they have right now. Edge, WR, DB, TE, RB, LB are all much more needy positions. I don't think it's an issue, but you can never go wrong drafting offensive lineman. We can get by with what we have at DB, TE and RB (assuming we use a mid round pick on a RB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 26 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: FWIW, Linderbaum is one of the strongest Pound for Pound weight room performers in program history under Ferentz, which spans nearly 25 years now and has produced some monsters. He holds several one rep max revords for his position, one being squat. He set the Squat record in 2019 when he was 19 I believe. So he’s naturally strong and he’s obviously grown on that. Arm length sure. Strength, he’s an ox. Good inside info HawkeyeJet!! Love to hear that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 12 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Trey Burks WILL be the steal of the draft and the best WR out of this class. He's a bigger, stronger, faster Deebo Samuel and literally ran people over in the SEC, and people are jizzing themselves over a bunch of frail little ****s and a slower Keyshawn Johnson. He's not actually as fast as deebo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 4 hours ago, 68JET11 said: You have too much time on your hands ... Would never even know where to find crap like that. I'm guessing you're into graphic design lol... All I did was click the "gif" button and typed in "Corn". Try it; it's the first result. lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, jamesr said: GMs will use the metric - but not as the be all and end all. And this is where I think that the claim that Linderbaum is "dropping" is more to do with mock drafts than actual GM draft boards. None of us know the exact way that teams put their boards together, but if they're significantly altering them as a result of combines and workouts it would suggest they shouldn't be running a team, IMO. Let's say the Jets had an evaluation of Linderbaum based on their scouting reports and scored him as 78 / 100. Combine and so on could potentially increase that to 79 or 80, or decrease it to 77 or 76. But if they significantly change their rating - like up to 90 or down to 60 - then they need to look long and hard about why this is the case. Mock drafts on the other hand are more throwaway - and if you just publish the same one every week or month, you don't get the clicks. You've almost got to have a "hot take" with guys rising and falling to get interest and stand out from all the other mocks. How often do these analysts write a new piece of "Player X still looks like a mid-second round draft pick"? They hype up 40 times and hand size and how a player can jump out of a swimming pool to create interest and attention - whether or not it actually matters. but thats a factor too besides the arm length. no combine and no pro day. there is alot of missing info on him. maybe too much for alot of teams to take so high. and are we sure NFL teams had him ranked so high? or was alot of that media hype cause he was the best Center. looking around if he turns out to be good he will have the shortest arm length for a good Center EVER!. and he plays the lowest value position on the team. now maybe a team like the Bengals who have a much better roster can take a chance but not us for many reasons. 1. if we take an OL in rd 1 ( god help me) then were not picking a Center in rd 2. 2 out of our top 4 picks on the OL is ridiculous. 2. if we dont take an OL in rd 1 or 2 then we need a young backup thats better than Fenney and McDermott. and were not going to use a 2nd and a 3rd on the OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 9 hours ago, jetsons said: The "ras" is nice & something more for fans to "get off" on but as is Clearly shown here not a predictor of good/great play. The metrics found in the RAS score matter quite a bit for EDGE rushers, actually. It's very hard to find non-athletic pass rushers who have success in the pros. And there are other aspects of the RAS score that matter a great deal for other positions, too. But, sure, keep pretending like measurables don't matter, Mike Maccagnan. Worked out great for your tenure here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 2 hours ago, jamesr said: GMs will use the metric - but not as the be all and end all. No one ever claimed they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 minute ago, doitny said: but thats a factor too besides the arm length. no combine and no pro day. there is alot of missing info on him. maybe too much for alot of teams to take so high. and are we sure NFL teams had him ranked so high? or was alot of that media hype cause he was the best Center. looking around if he turns out to be good he will have the shortest arm length for a good Center EVER!. and he plays the lowest value position on the team. now maybe a team like the Bengals who have a much better roster can take a chance but not us for many reasons. 1. if we take an OL in rd 1 ( god help me) then were not picking a Center in rd 2. 2 out of our top 4 picks on the OL is ridiculous. 2. if we dont take an OL in rd 1 or 2 then we need a young backup thats better than Fenney and McDermott. and were not going to use a 2nd and a 3rd on the OL. No we're not. Mocks may do, and teams possibly do, but we'll never know for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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