Pauline- slipping on their arse

[Sperm Edwards]

15 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Every year, IOLs and WRs fall into the second and third round because they don’t meet the criteria, then two years later, teams are desperately trying to sign or trade for those same players because scouts are generally ignorant hillbillies who couldn’t cut it as position coaches in D-III. 

A forward thinker looks at the next move, though; not just the current move.

Point to all those IOLs that are getting $25-30MM per year non-QB contracts (and require the equivalent of a 1st or more in trade just for the chance to offer that contract). 

Oh wait, those veteran IOLs get half that, and require no draft picks in trade for the privilege of offering a contract.

Draft (early/earlier in round 1) positions where the game's best are mega-expensive:

• QB ($30-45MM), WR ($20-30MM), EDGE ($23-28MM) LT ($20-23MM), DT ($20-22MM),
• and for the right guy, CB ($18-20MM) because one you safely bet a veteran isn't going to be able to play out his full 4-5 year veteran contract (making the true average/year 10%+ more when factoring in future dead cap). Plus CBs get extended early to spread that extension hit over 1-2 more years to make the blow (and the eventual release) feel lessened.

Buy the rest -- even at premium prices they're cheap in comparison.

• C ($12.5-13.5MM), 
  • The most expensive centers make $12.5-13.5MM per, and half of them were drafted on day 3. Corey Linsley was 1st team AP as a UFA a year ago, and his top offer was $12.5MM/year with just $17MM fully guaranteed at signing.
• The top 3 guards in the league max out at $16-16.5MM/yr and just 1 of the top 5 guard earners was drafted in round 1. 
• Safety - Seattle's Adams stupidity aside with his contract they had to pay after forking over those picks, they're otherwise $14-16MM/yr veterans for the best of the best.
• TE ($14-15MM/year even for the best ones, though they don't typically reach FA, but teams can win a SB with a merely good TE and have been doing so for years. No small part why they get paid so little & typically drafted so much later in comparison.)
• RB just maxed out at $15-16MM and those paying that ransom usually suck. Buy 'em cheaper and draft 'em lower.
• RT is also not needed to fork over huge money for a veteran north of $17MM per, and the only time it might pay is if it falls when your LT isn't also on (or about to get) a huge deal: you either lucked into a cheaper veteran or your LT is on his rookie contract. Then you can look at the total tackle cost in picks & cap that you can't use elsewhere.
• ILB is another like RT -- the top-paid ones aren't so heads & tails better than the rest that a team can't win without a top-2 veteran-contract MLB. Buy 'em, but don't mindlessly pay Mosley money ffs like Maccagase. There are only a handful making more than $10MM/year and one of them (Cunningham) was released before his 2nd season was up (Ten picked him up for cheap & he'll get cut before they pay him even $5MM for 2 seasons). 

So while teams may look to sign them as FAs, it's because they're so cheap. You can easily fit them on the roster without having to make tough choices, and without having to trade high picks for the privilege, and also got to use prior high pick(s) on others in the first place. 

I could never get behind drafting a center with a top 10 pick. Never. Not even with the benefit of hindsight, since there'd still be far more valuable players to have drafted instead.

[CTJetsFan]

WR and EDGE seem to be the 2 positions where workout #s and production seem to clash most often.

At the end of the day, the film don't lie.

[jetsons]

6 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

You act like GM's don't use this metric.

Nah... just if they rely on it as an end all be all... they'll be doing something else very soon.

[jetsons]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The metrics found in the RAS score matter quite a bit for EDGE rushers, actually.  It's very hard to find non-athletic pass rushers who have success in the pros.  And there are other aspects of the RAS score that matter a great deal for other positions, too.  

But, sure, keep pretending like measurables don't matter, Mike Maccagnan.  Worked out great for your tenure here.

Jabari says hi... ?

[slats]

27 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

A forward thinker looks at the next move, though; not just the current move.

Point to all those IOLs that are getting $25-30MM per year non-QB contracts (and require the equivalent of a 1st or more in trade just for the chance to offer that contract). 

Oh wait, those veteran IOLs get half that, and require no draft picks in trade for the privilege of offering a contract.

Draft positions in round 1 where the game's best are mega-expensive:

• QB ($30-45MM), WR ($20-30MM), EDGE ($23-28MM) LT ($20-23MM), DT ($20-22MM),
• and for the right guy, CB ($18-20MM) because one you safely bet a veteran isn't going to be able to play out his full 4-5 year veteran contract (making the true average/year 10%+ more when factoring in future dead cap). Plus CBs get extended early to spread that extension hit over 1-2 more years to make the blow (and the eventual release) feel lessened.

Buy the rest -- even at premium prices they're cheap in comparison.

• C ($12.5-13.5MM), 
  • The most expensive centers make $12.5-13.5MM per, and half of them were drafted on day 3. Corey Linsley was 1st team AP as a UFA a year ago, and his top offer was $12.5MM/year with just $17MM fully guaranteed at signing.
• The top 3 guards in the league max out at $16-16.5MM/yr and just 1 of the top 5 guard earners were drafted in round 1. 
• Safety - Seattle's Adams stupidity aside with his contract they had to pay after forking over those picks, they're otherwise $14-16MM/yr veterans
• TE ($14-15MM/year even for the best ones, though they don't typically reach FA, but teams can win a SB with a merely good TE and have been doing so for years. No small part why they get paid so little & typically drafted so much later in comparison.)
• RB just maxed out at $15-16MM and those paying that ransom usually suck. Buy 'em cheaper and draft 'em lower.
• RT is also not needed to fork over huge money for a veteran north of $17MM per, and the only time it might pay is if it falls when your LT isn't also on (or about to get) a huge deal: you either lucked into a cheaper veteran or your LT is on his rookie contract. Then you can look at the total tackle cost in picks & cap that you can't use elsewhere.
• ILB is another like RT -- the top-paid ones aren't so heads & tails better than the rest that a team can't win without a top-2 veteran-contract MLB. Buy 'em, but don't mindlessly pay Mosley money ffs like Maccagase. There are only a handful making more than $10MM/year and one of them (Cunningham) was released before his 2nd season was up (Ten picked him up for cheap & he'll get cut before they pay him even $5MM for 2 seasons). 

 So while teams may look to sign them as FAs, it's because they're so cheap. You can easily fit them on the roster without having to make tough choices, and without having to trade high picks for the privilege, and used prior high pick(s) on others in the first place. 

I could never get behind drafting a center with a top 10 pick. Never. Not even with the benefit of hindsight, since there'd still be far more valuable players to have drafted instead.

Preach! 

[Jet_Engine1]

4 hours ago, bitonti said:

He's not actually as fast as deebo 

Deebo:

 

Burks:

 

 

You are correct. Trey played fast on the field, but his Combine 40 out of a sprinters stance in Indianapolis was .07 seconds slower than Samuel's. 

 

But at 3" and 10lbs bigger. 

I think his Combine is being overblown. This isn't like Hamilton posting a lineman-like time. ? 

[varjet]

29 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Deebo:

 

Burks:

 

 

You are correct. Trey played fast on the field, but his Combine 40 out of a sprinters stance in Indianapolis was .07 seconds slower than Samuel's. 

 

But at 3" and 10lbs bigger. 

I think his Combine is being overblown. This isn't like Hamilton posting a lineman-like time. ? 

Can Burks try the vertical jump again?