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32 minutes ago, DTereman said:


Intent: to find out how people feel about the top tier talent on the roster.

I think the roster sucks, actually. I also don’t think it has any many blue-chip talents as some people here think, but I don’t think there are zero.

Happy Friday, though. Have a good weekend!


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And thinking there arent any blue chip players makes you wrong

SO theres that

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3 hours ago, bitonti said:

CJ Mosely has no trade value because of his insane contract. 

George Fant, if they can get anything for him, they will. Far from a blue chip asset

these are the Jets' blue chip players in the sense they'd have value on the trade market: 

AVT

Moore

QW

Zach (we hope) 

 

end of list 

 

 

This is very fair 

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5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

they do - and there's some truth to it 

the only stat that really matters is QB Wins 

alot of these other stats can be "soft"  - i.e. not interested in a guy who only beats bad tackles. 

KT's best film is against AVT from 2020 and he's a guard playing out of position at tackle 

 

I remember on one of the boards back in the day an annoying Pats fan arguing with a Fish fan always would argue that all of Zach Thomas tackles were 5 yards downfield.  Worse I remember Jets fans arguing that Farrior did the same.  Then on the Steelers it was how could we trade him away.  Then we heard the same about Vilma.  Now?

I dont like the fact that I cant get a solid idea of what I expect out of a KT.  I'm not sure that any of the EDGEs outside of Hutch are worth the 4th overall.  No matter how hard and often I was trolled yesterday for thinking that way

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Blue Chip is a subjective definition. If you want to say, “how many Jets finished in the PFF top ten rankings at their respective positions”, I’m fairly confident the answers are AVT (guard) and Berrios (special teams only). It’s not pretty.

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41 minutes ago, DTereman said:


Blue-chip is roughy top 1-8 at the position. 15 would be average. I would argue a Mosley who got 150+ tackles last season is closer to blue-chip than McGovern, despite why PFF tells you. AVT is a blue-chip to me, and Moore is counts as half since he can ball if his QB plays well.


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Positional value is important. The tenth best center or MLB is not as valuable as the tenth best WR, LT, or QB. 

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28 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Blue Chip is a subjective definition. If you want to say, “how many Jets finished in the PFF top ten rankings at their respective positions”, I’m fairly confident the answers are AVT (guard) and Berrios (special teams only). It’s not pretty.

Agreed is subjective. I always thought blue chip was an “elite” talent so maybe NFL top 100 players overall is a stretch. I’d like to think more like top 50-75.

I remember Eddie Lacy getting lit up on the NFL top 100 broadcast saying he is 2 cheeseburgers away from putting his hand in the dirt… if that guy was top 100 at any time he wouldn’t be considered blue chip IMO.

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3 hours ago, GangGreen Machine said:

I’m not, has he reached Gawd status? 
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I can't  recall the OP's name but he started a thread called "One day, players like Berrios won't  be on the Jets anymore". This was at a time Berrios was lighting it up as a ST player and gadget play specialist.  It wasn't  received very well. 

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Just now, More Cowbell said:

I can't  recall the OP's name but he started a thread called "One day, players like Berrios won't  be on the Jets anymore". This was at a time Berrios was lighting it up as a ST player and gadget play specialist.  It wasn't  received very well. 

Ah I see that thread pop up every once and a while.
FWIW, Leon Washington was very well liked. I don’t get the hate on Berrios. 

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6 hours ago, Maxman said:

Oh man I'm walking away from this one too. There's a good cell phone joke in there haha.

I was going to report you for targeted harassment, but instead I’m going to use the “get out of jail free” card you handed me to targeted harass Jet Nut. 

11 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

And thinking there arent any blue chip players makes you wrong

SO theres that

Excuse me, Mr Nut, can you provide me with a comprehensive list of current Jets players that you consider to be “elite” now or will be “elite” within the next year or so? Thx. Looking to update my records.

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25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I was going to report you for targeted harassment, but instead I’m going to use the “get out of jail free” card you handed me to targeted harass Jet Nut. 

Excuse me, Mr Nut, can you provide me with a comprehensive list of current Jets players that you consider to be “elite” now or will be “elite” within the next year or so? Thx. Looking to update my records.

LOL

OK, I'll play, Mr. T0m.  Id say AVT, Moore, QW, Hall and his rookie season, Becton.

 

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13 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Mosley chased the money and ruined his career in the process. Kudos to him to cashing in, but he’s a tragedy. He begged Baltimore to come close to the Jets offer and the Ravens said “nah.” He’ll retire with $70 mil in career earnings, but I’d imagine he’d swap careers in a second with Dont’a Hightower, who only pocketed $50 mil.

Yea. He would have been better staying put. I have a hard time though, trashing him for taking the best offer. Excessive greed. Maybe. A way to keep him and his family, financially secure long term. Yes. Let's not forget he did rip his groin up, after he signed.. one of the valid reasons some of these guys chase the money

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14 hours ago, GangGreen Machine said:

I will conceded ZW based on my definition of getting a first rounder in a trade.

On draft position, age, and potential, you can make an argument for E Moore and AVT as first round trade talent.
Other than that, I’m not convinced anyone is blue chip. Again I am a very optimistic Jets fan, just don’t like giving the term blue chip out too liberally. 

Maybe it’s a tad optimistic, but I honestly believe Moore has Antonio brown(on field) potential. Dude can be so good. He has a gift for constantly finding a way to get open 

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19 hours ago, bitonti said:

CJ Mosely has no trade value because of his insane contract. 

George Fant, if they can get anything for him, they will. Far from a blue chip asset

these are the Jets' blue chip players in the sense they'd have value on the trade market: 

AVT

Moore

QW

Zach (we hope) 

 

end of list 

 

 

There is no universe where QW is a blue chip player.

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