Two interesting quotes from Thibodeaux...

[NIGHT STALKER]

“Chess is life and chess is football. You talk about doing your first move, and your first move is going to set up your second move, then your third move ahead,” he said. “When you talk about pass rush, I’m going to hit you with speed first. I always hit you with speed, speed, speed. That’s going to set up my power moves, and then my power moves are going to set up my counter.” – Kayvon Thibodeaux

And then there is this...

"There's nothing a coach could tell me that I don't already know." - Kayvon Thibodeaux

I'm just glad I'm not making the decision to take or pass on this guy.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 minute ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

“Chess is life and chess is football. You talk about doing your first move, and your first move is going to set up your second move, then your third move ahead,” he said. “When you talk about pass rush, I’m going to hit you with speed first. I always hit you with speed, speed, speed. That’s going to set up my power moves, and then my power moves are going to set up my counter.” – Kayvon Thibodeaux

And then there is this...

"There's nothing a coach could tell me that I don't already know." - Kayvon Thibodeaux

I'm just glad I'm not making the decision to take or pass on this guy.

Where are these quotes coming from? Is there a full article?

The coach comment is...not good. But curious what the context is. 

[Beerfish]

He may be right about the coaching bit.  Players get over coached in the nfl.  The biggest thing some of these kids do not realize about the jump to the nfl.  The worst guy you are going up against in the nfl is usually better than almost every one you face in college.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

 

[NIGHT STALKER]

4 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Where are these quotes coming from? Is there a full article?

The coach comment is...not good. But curious what the context is. 

I heard the coach comment this morning on Good Morning Football and then I decided to google quotes by Thibodeaux and several popped up...I chose the "chess" quote for this post.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

KT to me seems a little like Kanye West. Good at what he does but his personality is just, not enjoyable lol.

[Jetpain]

May turn out to be a good pass rusher, but too risky for us.  He's got a..hole written all over him.......PASS

[heymangold]

5 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

 

still don't like how that sounds

[PepPep]

24 minutes ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

“Chess is life and chess is football. You talk about doing your first move, and your first move is going to set up your second move, then your third move ahead,” he said. “When you talk about pass rush, I’m going to hit you with speed first. I always hit you with speed, speed, speed. That’s going to set up my power moves, and then my power moves are going to set up my counter.” – Kayvon Thibodeaux

And then there is this...

"There's nothing a coach could tell me that I don't already know." - Kayvon Thibodeaux

I'm just glad I'm not making the decision to take or pass on this guy.

The first comment is nothing special. Most players, unless they have extremely low football IQ or have a bare cupboard of pass rush moves, know this without having to compare it to chess. 

The second comment, mostly sounds really bad, but could ok in the sense that this is a guy who is supremely confident in his abilities. I mean, we ARE talking about someone who was highly touted coming out of high school, dominated college, and now is projected to be a top 5 draft pick. You need to have supreme confidence to be successful in the NFL.

But again, doesn't sound great. If you are smart, you don't say this kind of s**t even if you are thinking it. And regardless of how good you THINK you are, if you don't think you can learn and get better, you are destined to fail at the next level.  

[T0mShane]

21 minutes ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

“Chess is life

Hard pass based on this tripe alone.

[PepPep]

6 minutes ago, heymangold said:

still don't like how that sounds

Yeah, sounds like one of those guys who does something wrong, the coach comes up and tries to explain to him 'hey you need to watch the guard'....then KT cuts him off and says 'I got it!'. The definition of not coachable, lol. Thinks he knows everything and keeps making the same mistake. Bad look for KT on this quote. Ooof, as much as I want him to slide to Jets because he's one of the top talents, I just as much wish he goes top 3 so the Jets don't even have to think about it and go with Sauce or JJ or trade down.   

[RedBeardedSavage]

I don't smoke anymore, but the chess quote reminds me of like when you smoked with someone who rarely smokes weed and they feel like they have to have a 'deeper' conversation and they force it. And you're like 'nah, we can just talk about the Mets bro, I don't really care about your philosophies'.

 

[peekskill68]

After a season of Jamal, not sure JD is ready to sign up for another quote machine...

[Morrissey]

18 minutes ago, Jetpain said:

May turn out to be a good pass rusher, but too risky for us.  He's got a..hole written all over him.......PASS

who in this draft doesn't have a hole? this is not a draft with top end blue chip prospects in it...

[Fantasy Island]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hard pass based on this tripe alone.

He is trying to sell Saleh:

https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/01/the-making-of-robert-saleh-from-quiet-chess-player-to-jets-fiery-leader-and-nfls-muslim-beacon-with-a-lift-from-his-community.html

 

Always workin'

[Gastineau Lives]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hard pass based on this tripe alone.

Tripe is delicious 

[varjet]

Let's say JD drafted Wirfs and Claypool or Trevon Diggs or Van Jefferson in 2020, and followed with his 2021 Draft.  Maybe he even drafted contributors in the 3rd and 4th rounds of 2020. 

At that point maybe he takes a flyer on Thib and his talent.  If he then picked a high floor pick at 10 who contributed, and nailed his 2nd and 3rd round, even if Thib imploded I think people would be patient and think it was worth the risk.

But JD had a horrible  2020 draft.  He needs to draft guys that are hardworking, don't cause trouble and stay out of the newspapers.  I don't know how he takes a player like Thib.  Thib is a draft pick that gets you fired.  

JD needs high floor players at 4 and 10 who automatically improve and build the roster and build the culture.

Plus I think Thib looks small.  

[Beerfish]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hard pass based on this tripe alone.

Oh yeah!   Bishop to Queens pawn 3, CHECK and MATE!

[#27TheDominator]

7 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I don't smoke anymore, but the chess quote reminds me of like when you smoked with someone who rarely smokes weed and they feel like they have to have a 'deeper' conversation and they force it. And you're like 'nah, we can just talk about the Mets bro, I don't really care about your philosophies'.

 

Okay. That means that our whole solar system could be, like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being.  This is too much! That means one tiny atom in my fingernail could be -

[Pointdexter]

It's not like KT is a bad person, I just don't think he fits the culture that Saleh and Douglas is trying to build.

I'm far from an insider but I would be shocked if we drafted him, even at 10.

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, varjet said:

Let's say JD drafted Wirfs and Claypool or Trevon Diggs or Van Jefferson in 2020, and followed with his 2021 Draft.  Maybe he even drafted contributors in the 3rd and 4th rounds of 2020. 

At that point maybe he takes a flyer on Thib and his talent.  If he then picked a high floor pick at 10 who contributed, and nailed his 2nd and 3rd round, even if Thib imploded I think people would be patient and think it was worth the risk.

But JD had a horrible  2020 draft.  He needs to draft guys that are hardworking, don't cause trouble and stay out of the newspapers.  I don't know how he takes a player like Thib.  Thib is a draft pick that gets you fired.  

JD needs high floor players at 4 and 10 who automatically improve and build the roster and build the culture.

Plus I think Thib looks small.  

I get what you are saying, but I think a bunch of this falls on the coaches.  When you are dealing with "personality" you need the coach to decide if they can motivate the player and get him to fit in and then for the GM to decide if he believes the coach.   Some personalities don't work in some systems - that may be the problem with Becton and/or Mims.  

[Larz]

The great ones tend to have this attitude. Kobe and Michael are 2 good examples 

if you think he has the will to dominate his opponents and more importantly WIN, this doesn’t bother me 

Id be more curious to see evidence of a pathological hatred of losing  the great ones also usually have that, which is different than wanting to win 

It’s probably also true btw  

 

[slats]

17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hard pass based on this tripe alone.

^^^^^^^
Enjoys playing checkers with Eric Mangini. 

[CanadaSteve]

32 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He may be right about the coaching bit.  Players get over coached in the nfl.  The biggest thing some of these kids do not realize about the jump to the nfl.  The worst guy you are going up against in the nfl is usually better than almost every one you face in college.

EXACTLY....

He could very well be saying "look, there isn't anything a coach can tell me that I already know."  As most professionals.  What a coach sometimes needs to do is just remind the player to do what they already know what to do. 

[jetstream23]

52 minutes ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

“Chess is life and chess is football. You talk about doing your first move, and your first move is going to set up your second move, then your third move ahead,” he said. “When you talk about pass rush, I’m going to hit you with speed first. I always hit you with speed, speed, speed. That’s going to set up my power moves, and then my power moves are going to set up my counter.” – Kayvon Thibodeaux

And then there is this...

"There's nothing a coach could tell me that I don't already know." - Kayvon Thibodeaux

I'm just glad I'm not making the decision to take or pass on this guy.

 

I absolutely 100% agree with his first quote.  It IS life.  You should focus on it, devote time to it, become an expert!  She'll love you for it.

EDIT:  My bad.  I thought he said Chest is life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BigRy56]

I like his attitude. He could be an outright star in NY. I think ultimately he goes top 3, in which case I'd go Sauce... but KT in NY could be a dynamite combination, for better or for worse

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, NIGHT STALKER said:

“Chess is life and chess is football.

In other words:

[long time suffering Jets f]

I’m split right down the middle with this guy to tell you the truth. While we need to address the DE position and I would most likely take Thibs at 4, part of me is hoping he’s already taken before he drops to us so JD and the fan base doesn’t have to stress out if they should draft him or not.

 

 

 

 

 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

Okay. That means that our whole solar system could be, like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being.  This is too much! That means one tiny atom in my fingernail could be -

I saw that when I was 12, to this day I still see Donald Southerland's saggy ass peaking out of that sweater every time I hear his name.

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

 

This actually sounds worse in this context

[#27TheDominator]

9 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I saw that when I was 12, to this day I still see Donald Southerland's saggy ass peaking out of that sweater every time I hear his name.

Gratuitous nudity!

[The Crusher]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

Gratuitous nudity!

Marion Wormer : You can take your thumb out of my ass any time now, Carmine.

 

I have an Aunt Marion and Uncle Carmen. If you think that didn't mess me up a bit. LOL

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

None of this has any bearing on whether the kid can actually play football at an elite level.

If you want high floor to go with high ceiling, just drink the Sauce at #4.  Hopefully Detroit or Houston doesn't grab him.

 

[jetspenguin]

 

I'm fine with the corrected quote

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.

[HighPitch]

i was gonna say something but forget it. Be nice......