Popular Post clayton163v Posted April 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2022 Alright fellas, I have the guide. First, let’s look at the safeties. We will surely draft one. First a quick review of the club. We have the new barracuda in Whitehead who is a proven two-down run stuffer. He is a 25 year old strong safety who clogs passing lanes in the short zone but is a fish out of water covering backs or the tight end. Then we have Ashtyn Davis who has had his opportunity and is not a starter at FS or SS. We can do better. Pinnock? A total project. who got desperation snaps at the end of the year due to injuries. Joyner? A veteran on another one year deal. He might be good but he s not the answer. Everybody else is waiver wire trash. It is my hope that all but Whitehead become waiver wire trash. Hey, I root for everybody in green but this is the off season and “you are what your record says you are.” We need to have bona fide team trained options on the team in training camp to challenge for the starting job. We need a starter who can play all three downs as a true one high FS to balance out the new barracuda. Fortunately, there is a bumper crop. So many that we should wait until the late rounds to take TWO of them. Remember – NFL stands for “not for long”. I want competition in camp. I will provide more information on guys who are good fits. Here we go: Hamilton. I would not take him at 10 after his 40 time. Ourlads speaks of him as a candidate for WILL on teams like ours with its 4-2-5 base. He screams “overrated.” If we were contenders, perhaps. But we have so many hard to fill holes that we cannot splurge. Brisker – A fine SS. Nope. Cine – An excellent prospect. Fast and long, he will develop into a good two way safety. Unfortunately, he will be long gone by the time the 4th and 5th round arrives. I would grab him at 69 but he is long gone and we cannot afford to use a 2d on him. Hill – Same as Cine but not as good as a tackler. A lot like Maye, he is a grab and drag. We cannot afford to use the 2d. Pitre – Played “star” linebacker and will have to transition to the pro scheme. Ourlads predicts he goes in the 3d. Would we at 69? Have you been reading this post? Nope. Nick Cross – Maryland. 6’ 212 lbs. 4.34 speed. Born to play zone. A three-year starter. Fast and plenty of length. Says Ourlads “At his best as a zone defender” playing the one or two high. He is a real good fit for us. If he is there at 111, we should pounce. Probably gone. That’s OK. Read on. Bryan Cooks – Cincinnati/Howard. 6’ 205. 4.6 speed. One year starter at Cincinnati he transferred from Howard where he started two years. He was outstanding for the awesome Bearcats. A bit raw, he played a lot of quarters and is a smash tackler most of the time. He does whiff sometimes. I like him at 111. No sooner. JT Woods – Baylor. 6’ 1” 195 with 32.5. He is fast (4.36) and long and was a three year starter. Had nine picks since 2020 and pass coverage in the deep zone is his strength. An ideal companion for the Barracuda. I covet Woods and think the Jets do too. I like him at 111 too depending on what is there. Yes, I want him but in the bigger picture there are other choices too. Verone Mckinley – Oregon. 5” 10 200. A two year starter with 11 picks in college. Versatile, he can do it all but lacks ideal length and size but runs a 4.5 40 which is not bad. His production and film prove he belongs. Another ideal companion for the Barracuda. I want to steal him in the 5th but will take him at 111 if we draft Thibs (they were teammates at Oregon). Kerby Joseph – Illinois 6’ 200. 4.4 speed, 34 inch arms and 10.25” hands. A one year starter who came out of nowhere ti star kast season. He has ideal measurements. He has a ways to go but picked off five passes last year and broke up 4 others. He was a pest who put up awesome film. Another guy I want to steal in the fifth. Some sites have him highly rated. Yusef Corker – Kentucky. 5’ 11” 200 and 4.5 speed. Versatile three year starter. Tough smart player who has been productive and made some spectacular picks. Is a grab and drag guy with some whiffs. But has some fine film and tons of experience. At his best in the deep zone. I take him late and will not feel that I settled. He has as good a shot as anybody above to be our starter at FS. I want one of the last six guys and would acquire a few 6ths to swipe the one that falls. If they are gone, you can always draft a linebacker. Tons of linebackers in this draft. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted April 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2022 I think you're underrating pinnock. He played good in those desperation snaps 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alworth Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Good stuff as always Clayton. And though I agree with Bitonti about Pinnock, we do need a potential starter. I agree with you that round two is a poor resource allocation. But I would go with any then-available potential starter at 69, reaching be darned. You seem to be relegating a lot of players--e.g. Kerry Joseph--to the fourth and fifth. I respect the value-oriented approach, but I'm not sure it's consistent with your labeling of safety as a big need 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I like the analysis, well done. I drafted JT Woods in the jetnation mock late and think he will go much earlier than where i took him. Some of these safeties are why i have so much utter disdain at the notion of taking Hamilton at all let alone early. Woods is slightly smaller, way faster, has more ints and pretty well the same tackle numbers as hamitlon. There are some very nice safeties in this draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 This system likes the long, rangy guys. They just signed a short CB to never leave the field. I don’t think they look at anyone under 6’ unless they have 34” arms or something. I also agree that it’s a position to address in the later rounds. I’ve seen safeties mocked to the Jets as early as the second, but that does not feel like something Douglas would do. Just no way on Hamilton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 At FS, There's Joyner , Davis and Pinnock. I say let the best man win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Wooty Doo Doo Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Joseph ,,, say less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 This is a great article in support for not drafting a safety in Round 2. I do think 3/top of 4 is the spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Weatherford could be Saleh's Chancellor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Just sign Honey Badger! Seriously though, great list. I don't know much about any of these safeties so it's a good read and for sure we need to draft one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I wonder if Saleh might consider moving someone like Nasirlideen back to a SS role? Putting these 215 lb guys like Hamsah and Sherwood into LB roles just seems like high risk with regards to injury... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 10 hours ago, slats said: This system likes the long, rangy guys. They just signed a short CB to never leave the field. I don’t think they look at anyone under 6’ unless they have 34” arms or something. I also agree that it’s a position to address in the later rounds. I’ve seen safeties mocked to the Jets as early as the second, but that does not feel like something Douglas would do. Just no way on Hamilton. I mostly agree with this but there's a caveat. By all indications JD was ready to shell out big $$$ for Marcus Williams from the Saints in FA. I forget the actual numbers but it seemed like the Jets were in serious play and offering more than $10M per year to him. That's the only thing that makes me hesitate when people say JD won't touch a Safety early or that he really devalues the position. Something just doesn't add up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 6 hours ago, jetstream23 said: I mostly agree with this but there's a caveat. By all indications JD was ready to shell out big $$$ for Marcus Williams from the Saints in FA. I forget the actual numbers but it seemed like the Jets were in serious play and offering more than $10M per year to him. That's the only thing that makes me hesitate when people say JD won't touch a Safety early or that he really devalues the position. Something just doesn't add up. I think it was $15M, so I get your point. I do think that a ball hawk, centerfielder-type safety is just as valuable as the CBs in this scheme. I still say hard no on Hamilton. I guess when they get to the second round it could be a matter of BAP, but two of those first four picks need to be Edge and WR, and it’ll be interesting to see if JD can suppress the desire to take an OL with one of them, too. It’s hard for me to see a safety that high. If they’re going non-premium position in the second round, I think I’d prefer the RB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 5 hours ago, slats said: I think it was $15M, so I get your point. I do think that a ball hawk, centerfielder-type safety is just as valuable as the CBs in this scheme. I still say hard no on Hamilton. I guess when they get to the second round it could be a matter of BAP, but two of those first four picks need to be Edge and WR, and it’ll be interesting to see if JD can suppress the desire to take an OL with one of them, too. It’s hard for me to see a safety that high. If they’re going non-premium position in the second round, I think I’d prefer the RB. That 2nd round is really, really appetizing. The problem is at 35 and 38 there are going to be so many good prospects at a variety of positions the Jets could use.... LB, S, WR, OT, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/18/2022 at 12:22 PM, bitonti said: I think you're underrating pinnock. He played good in those desperation snaps I too thought he played well. Nevertheless, I did not think he played well enough to be counted on. Remember all the guys who were not in training camp with us who ate snaps. We cannot afford to let that happen again. On 4/18/2022 at 12:50 PM, Alworth said: Good stuff as always Clayton. And though I agree with Bitonti about Pinnock, we do need a potential starter. I agree with you that round two is a poor resource allocation. But I would go with any then-available potential starter at 69, reaching be darned. You seem to be relegating a lot of players--e.g. Kerry Joseph--to the fourth and fifth. I respect the value-oriented approach, but I'm not sure it's consistent with your labeling of safety as a big need It is not that I do not want a high pick at safety, but the strength of this draft is at edge and we have critical needs at WR and OT too. I cannot justify it. On 4/18/2022 at 3:13 PM, Beerfish said: I like the analysis, well done. I drafted JT Woods in the jetnation mock late and think he will go much earlier than where i took him. Some of these safeties are why i have so much utter disdain at the notion of taking Hamilton at all let alone early. Woods is slightly smaller, way faster, has more ints and pretty well the same tackle numbers as hamitlon. There are some very nice safeties in this draft. I think Woods goes a lot earlier than those draft simulators. On 4/18/2022 at 3:29 PM, slats said: This system likes the long, rangy guys. They just signed a short CB to never leave the field. I don’t think they look at anyone under 6’ unless they have 34” arms or something. I also agree that it’s a position to address in the later rounds. I’ve seen safeties mocked to the Jets as early as the second, but that does not feel like something Douglas would do. Just no way on Hamilton. I agree that Douglas values traits. But I am talking the 4th and 5th. Cannot have everything. On 4/18/2022 at 4:33 PM, Jimmy 2 Times said: Weatherford could be Saleh's Chancellor. He is given a 6th round grade by Ourlads who suggest a move to linebacker. 21 hours ago, peekskill68 said: I wonder if Saleh might consider moving someone like Nasirlideen back to a SS role? Putting these 215 lb guys like Hamsah and Sherwood into LB roles just seems like high risk with regards to injury... I too thought "where's the beef?" last season. But to me the key issue is we need to have our backup linebackers and safeties in CAMP with us. No more snaps to the waiver wire. It is surrender before the battle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/18/2022 at 4:33 PM, Jimmy 2 Times said: Weatherford could be Saleh's Chancellor. I learned about this kid recently and thought the same thing: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tariq-carpenter/32004341-5233-9436-9d30-582137af380a Was a safety at GA Tech, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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