Odds of Icky at 4 just increased dramatically

[Tezza]

Sauce or Kayvon at 4 and Wilson or Williams at 10. 

[jetspenguin]

I respect the argument. 
But what might happen in practice is that the Jets have a very similar grade on a lot of the WRs in this draft. Hence, the Jets might be nearly as excited to get a guy like Pickens in round 2 (just an example, insert someone you like here) as they would Williams/London/Wilson in round 1.
I think there was a very telling moment at the press conference last week - Rex Hogan spoke of there being "parity" at the WR position in this draft  - I think that might have tipped their hand a bit, but we'll see. 

You make a good point but it sounded to me like the parity he referenced was related to the top names being floated around. Likely no more than 3 or 4 players tops. Different skill sets but graded similarly.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.

[T0mShane]

???

“Ozzie [Newsome] used to always have a saying, ‘A luxury today could be a necessity tomorrow.’ If you get away from your process, if you get away from your board, I think that’s when you can get into a real jam,” Douglas said.

https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/22/joe-douglas-ny-jets-hint-draft-plans/

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

???

“Ozzie [Newsome] used to always have a saying, ‘A luxury today could be a necessity tomorrow.’ If you get away from your process, if you get away from your board, I think that’s when you can get into a real jam,” Douglas said.

https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/22/joe-douglas-ny-jets-hint-draft-plans/

Bingo

[jetspenguin]

As much as I understand the logic for taking Ickey at 4, I just can't wrap my mind around picking a player that high that you "MIGHT" need.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.

[jetspenguin]

“Ozzie [Newsome] used to always have a saying, ‘A luxury today could be a necessity tomorrow.’ If you get away from your process, if you get away from your board, I think that’s when you can get into a real jam,” Douglas said.
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/22/joe-douglas-ny-jets-hint-draft-plans/

Translated- We might take a tackle so if any of you other guys want to take him so that KT can fall to us here is a heads up.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

Translated- We might take a tackle so if any of you other guys want to take him so that KT can fall to us here is a heads up.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.
 

Definitely possible, but he has has said similar things before. 

That comment struck me along with the comment about there being a lot of "parity" at the WR position in this draft. 

[TheClashFan]

23 hours ago, PepPep said:

This is NOT a lot of missed time lmfao. If you told me I had a legit LT for a decade but he typically missed 2 games a season, sign me the F up. NFL players get hurt A LOT.  

No, but adding it with Becton's history means that the Jets will likely need a 3rd starter for several games. That was my point, not that Fant is injury prone.

 

[65 Toss Power Trap]

23 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

As much as I understand the logic for taking Ickey at 4, I just can't wrap my mind around picking a player that high that you "MIGHT" need.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.
 

Both Ickey and Evan Neal  are better than any tackles we have, and 10 year sure starters at one of the most important position. 

I think the word “might“ fits in the idea that the tackle position “might” be figured out for this season, but there are question marks all over the place for such an important position. This is a player we absolutely need. Becton is an unknown and Fant doesn’t have the years or upside of these two young studs in the draft. We have a chance to get a lockdown tackle.

It’s not a hard decision from the perspective of the biggest need of this team is to shore up all the help you can possibly get for this young quarterback.  But it is a hard and frustrating decision when you think of all the capital we’ve thrown into the tackle position in the past, and when you see that there are other players who can help us greatly. 

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

Translated- We might take a tackle so if any of you other guys want to take him so that KT can fall to us here is a heads up.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.
 

Who knows what happens, but I keep reading that Thibodeaux is now a lock to go top three. 

[Jet Nut]

On 4/22/2022 at 11:19 AM, Augustiniak said:

I think you may need to trade becton while he may still have real trade value.  If he’s hurt again this year you’re getting nothing.  Now you may.

And you could trade him after missing a year at a reduced price and he goes 4 years without an injury and watch his replacement get injured.

 

[Tranquilo]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Who knows what happens, but I keep reading that Thibodeaux is now a lock to go top three. 

****.

so is it Hutch, Thib and who else top 3?

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Who knows what happens, but I keep reading that Thibodeaux is now a lock to go top three. 

What changed?  Other than everyone has a new mock draft to entice clicks.  

[Jet Nut]

Just now, Tranquilo said:

****.

so is it Hutch, Thib and who else top 3?

Got to be an OL pick

[Dwight Englewood]

Just now, Tranquilo said:

****.

so is it Hutch, Thib and who else top 3?

Between hutch, Thibs and Walker one will fall to 4.  Just draft whoever falls.  I'm sick and tired of watching for 15 years QBs facing us having all day to throw

[Dwight Englewood]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Got to be an OL pick

Draft OL at 10.  Get the EDGE at 4

[Tranquilo]

Just now, Dwight Englewood said:

Between hutch, Thibs and Walker one will fall to 4.  Just draft whoever falls.  I'm sick and tired of watching for 15 years QBs facing us having all day to throw

Im so so on Walker but I guess he’d be the pick 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Tranquilo said:

****.

so is it Hutch, Thib and who else top 3?

The third guy is going to be either Travon Walker, Sauce Gardner, Neal, or Ekwonu, allegedly. In theory. Nobody knows. 

[Dwight Englewood]

2 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

Im so so on Walker but I guess he’d be the pick 

Thibs is my guy but we are so desperately in need of EDGE I'd happily roll the dice on either Walker or Hutch

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, Dwight Englewood said:

Draft OL at 10.  Get the EDGE at 4

Wasn’t talking about us, we were talking top 3 picks.  

[TheClashFan]

Why not Evan Neal or Charles Cross?  I'm curious why Ekwonu would be the guy at #4, assuming that JD decides to take an OT there? FWIW, Pro Football Focus has Cross as the #1 OT prospect.  Is it just the "nastiness" factor that JD thinks the OL lacks?

 

 

 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

What changed?  Other than everyone has a new mock draft to entice clicks.  

I would imagine that the path to Thibodeaux in the Top Three went like this: 
 

1. He came into the process the #1 guy.

2. Area scouts (who are neck-bearded chubby guys in refractory-lens sunglasses who make $30k, live in their cars, and still wax poetic about Tony Mandarich and Steve Emtman) see Thibodeaux’s Lambo in the Oregon player lot, decide he’s a douche, then tell Daniel Jeremiah, Todd McShay and Matt Miller that Thibodeaux is a douche, which then becomes a thing. 
 

3. Coaches parachute into the process in April, watch thirty seconds of film, then say, “This guy? I like him. Draft this guy.”

4. Penniless area scouts then say, “but he is a douche!” 
 

5. Coaches reply, “I once coached Keyshawn Johnson/Jamal Adams/Any Bosa/Any player from the University of Florida. Every player currently on my team is a millionaire douche.”

6. A flummoxed Matt Miller then tweets out that “Thibodeaux is rising, as I knew all along. Look at this bend that I previously tweeted didn’t exist, but have subsequently deleted.”

7. Thibodeaux gets drafted at #2.

8. Matt Miller gets 8-year, $210 million dollar deal to create “content” for ESPN.

[football guy]

Here’s what one inside the Jets organization expects to see occur next Thursday: 

1(4) OL Ickey Ekwonu 
1(10) DE Kayvon Thibodeaux/Jermaine Johnson

WR would be addressed via trade (whether it be Deebo Samuel or trade up into top 25)

[slimjasi]

9 minutes ago, football guy said:

Here’s what one inside the Jets organization expects to see occur next Thursday: 

1(4) OL Ickey Ekwonu 
1(10) DE Kayvon Thibodeaux/Jermaine Johnson

WR would be addressed via trade (whether it be Deebo Samuel or trade up into top 25)

This makes complete sense - but then one wonders what the Jets would do if both Thibs and JJ are gone by 10 (entirely possible)?

Karlaftis or would they then consider WR at 10 (assuming no Deebo trade)?

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, football guy said:

Here’s what one inside the Jets organization expects to see occur next Thursday: 

1(4) OL Ickey Ekwonu 
1(10) DE Kayvon Thibodeaux/Jermaine Johnson

WR would be addressed via trade (whether it be Deebo Samuel or trade up into top 25)

Damn. Thanks for sharing.

As an aside, do you know if they’re pissed about Becton not being there?

[Tranquilo]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

Here’s what one inside the Jets organization expects to see occur next Thursday: 

1(4) OL Ickey Ekwonu 
1(10) DE Kayvon Thibodeaux/Jermaine Johnson

WR would be addressed via trade (whether it be Deebo Samuel or trade up into top 25)

So the 10th pick won’t be on the table for Deebo?

[Matt39]

Havent paid attention to the offensive line draft stuff at all really...but what makes Ikem good? He doesnt seem like 4th overall good. The Alabama LT seems better. 

[32EBoozer]

4 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

So the 10th pick won’t be on the table for Deebo?

See the Tyreek Hill trade offer. Debo, as good as he is, is no TH.  2nd this year and a 4th next year maybe. He will be getting $20+mil contract to boot

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Havent paid attention to the offensive line draft stuff at all really...but what makes Ikem good? He doesnt seem like 4th overall good. The Alabama LT seems better. 

Neal is allegedly dropping because he won’t do any testing. IMG Academy dude. 

[football guy]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

This makes complete sense - but then wonders what the Jets would do if both Thibs and JJ are gone by 10 (entirely possible)

There are a ton of scenarios right now, but this is the one this individual seems confident in. There’s split opinions whether OL or DL should be addressed at 4 but sounds like Ickey is top 3 players on the board, and seems confident one or both DEs will be available at 10 given how deep this class is with DEs. If they weren’t there, WR or trade down could be the strategy. 

If Ickey and Walker went top 3 that’s a scenario where they Jets could find themselves taking one of the DEs a little earlier, or Cross.

Certainoy expecting some sort of trade 

 

[xJayce]

2 hours ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

Starter is just a word. What % of offensive snaps will he actually play?

Let's go a bold take and say 85%!

[Scoop24]

21 minutes ago, football guy said:

Here’s what one inside the Jets organization expects to see occur next Thursday: 

1(4) OL Ickey Ekwonu 
1(10) DE Kayvon Thibodeaux/Jermaine Johnson

WR would be addressed via trade (whether it be Deebo Samuel or trade up into top 25)

Its not likely either of those guys are there at 10. 

[Tranquilo]

I think JJ has a good shot to drop to 10 

[xJayce]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

???

“Ozzie [Newsome] used to always have a saying, ‘A luxury today could be a necessity tomorrow.’ If you get away from your process, if you get away from your board, I think that’s when you can get into a real jam,” Douglas said.

https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/22/joe-douglas-ny-jets-hint-draft-plans/

This is BPA talk, right? As long as he's factoring in some level of positional value, sure, why not...

[Asymmetrical]

OT and then Johnson would be thoroughly depressing.