Fantasy Island Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Spoot-Face said: Wait for JD to do the same effing thing with Hamilton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Spoot-Face said: Mahomes wouldn't even been good here... ..that's the narrative right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said: I don't know if I buy into this "bad teams ruin good QBs" narrative, but Mahomes certainly wouldn't have had the same success here with Big Macc building the team. Valid point. I was thinking of what happened to Mahomes against Tampa and wonder if he would have been permanently shell shocked lining up behind guys like Spencer Long, Brandon Shell, Alex Lewis, Jonotthan Harrison, Winters, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: Wait for JD to do the same effing thing with Hamilton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Though of course the NFL has become the Arena League so it's absolutely NOT an apples-to-apples comparison. Yup. That stat says more about how the game has changed in the last 50 years than it is a statment of Mahomes abilities relative to those guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, peekskill68 said: Valid point. I was thinking of what happened to Mahomes against Tampa and wonder if he would have been permanently shell shocked lining up behind guys like Spencer Long, Brandon Shell, Alex Lewis, Jonotthan Harrison, Winters, etc. I don't know if he'd have been shell shocked, but I can 100% say he wouldn't be signing his second contract with us, lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 hours ago, slimjasi said: Just a cautionary tale about these draft narratives (weak WR draft, strong edge draft, weak QB draft, etc.): https://www.nfl.com/news/2017-nfl-draft-trubisky-leads-qb-class-lacking-elite-talent-0ap3000000799332 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 When is the last time you heard the phrase about a WR “ he has the courage to go over the middle “? slightly different rules now lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 At what point do we stop pretending that the NFL in 2022 isn't bad football? Same goes for the NBA; complete trash league. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jet9 said: At what point do we stop pretending that the NFL in 2022 isn't bad football? Same goes for the NBA; complete trash league. Many/most of the changes in football were necessary. But the NBA has no excuse. The game isn't inherently dangerous like football is. Removing all physical play as an overreaction to the Malice in the Palace was a mistake. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Different eras have others have said. Passing records and receiving records will be shattered when this current generation hangs it up. On the flip side, emmit smiths rushing record likely won’t be touched for a very long time. This sport has changed so much in the last 15-20 years, let alone 50-60 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 7 hours ago, jetsons said: Please Stop trying to compare players from this era to players from earlier one's when football WAS FOOTBALL... today, qb's & receivers will have RIDICULOUSLY OVER Inflated numbers due to all the rules that Favor them. But for some reason jets still can’t draft a qb who can throw for 4k yards or a draft a wr who can reach 1k yards receiving. Lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louie Jet Fan Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 9 hours ago, jetsons said: Please Stop trying to compare players from this era to players from earlier one's when football WAS FOOTBALL... today, qb's & receivers will have RIDICULOUSLY OVER Inflated numbers due to all the rules that Favor them. Which is why Tom Brady is NOT the G.O.A.T. Hes the greatest of this generatiion. Not the G.O.A.T. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Many/most of the changes in football were necessary. But the NBA has no excuse. The game isn't inherently dangerous like football is. Removing all physical play as an overreaction to the Malice in the Palace was a mistake. Making the D second class citizens was necessary? Head hits? Yeah, you're right, that had to go. Wondering if they'll toss a flag because a DB did his job cleanly? No good. 'No flags on the play!' ******* pathetic that they have to say that. The prevailing sports leagues don't have fives on said sports. Tired of pretending that they do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Every generation thinks theirs was tougher than the current one and it's always an adorable thing to see spouted off, but keep in mind that everyone back then was jacked up on cocaine, painkillers, and steroids without fear of any repercussions from the league. Pretty sure Mahomes would have been just fine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Every generation thinks theirs was tougher than the current one and it's always an adorable thing to see spouted off, but keep in mind that everyone back then was jacked up on cocaine, painkillers, and steroids without fear of any repercussions from the league. Pretty sure Mahomes would have been just fine. IDK, playing football while on cocaine sounds pretty difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 What makes throwing a football so profoundly different from literally everything else that people were better at it 50 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said: What makes throwing a football so profoundly different from literally everything else that people were better at it 50 years ago? grit and aqua velva 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Kevin L said: IDK, playing football while on cocaine sounds pretty difficult. ^^^ Never used cocaine 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: ^^^ Never used cocaine Seriously. Talk about a performance enhancing drug. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Kevin L said: IDK, playing football while on cocaine sounds pretty difficult. Kevin you’re such a disease 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Mahomes would have been brought home to his family lying on his shield. The NFL was brutal for the NFL QBs back then. Joe Willie who was a great scrambler was playing on stilts by the time he won the SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I remember meeting Johnny Unitas. I was shocked to see his hands gnarled and disfigured. The disease: football. Dislocations sprains and fractures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: ^^^ Never used cocaine Now golf on the other hand... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 to win one game? it would be hard not to consider staubach or namath over mahommes. as others have said, the game is very different and the qb positions gets well protected by the rules. and so do the pass receivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Written in 2017: ”Carson Palmer. Seems he’s #11 in completions, #13 in passing yards, and #12 in touchdown passes. Even if Palmer never plays another down after his recent injury, he’s still ahead of four-time Super Bowl champ and two-time NFL MVP Joe Montana in all three categories.” that says it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Cyberjet said: Written in 2017: ”Carson Palmer. Seems he’s #11 in completions, #13 in passing yards, and #12 in touchdown passes. Even if Palmer never plays another down after his recent injury, he’s still ahead of four-time Super Bowl champ and two-time NFL MVP Joe Montana in all three categories.” that says it all. I guess Carson Palmer is in the GOAT conversation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 7 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Kevin you’re such a disease 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 It's just different. The rules are different, the medical advances are insane, all of it. You didn't see very many QBs playing into their late 30 back then, now, it's odd for a QB not to be able to play past 35. Players are, of course, bigger and faster, but there is also far less pad in practice, and a decrease in the actual ability to tackle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 11 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Every generation thinks theirs was tougher than the current one and it's always an adorable thing to see spouted off, but keep in mind that everyone back then was jacked up on cocaine, painkillers, and steroids without fear of any repercussions from the league. Pretty sure Mahomes would have been just fine. Yeah. Because he would have chosen to play Baseball instead. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 11 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Every generation thinks theirs was tougher than the current one and it's always an adorable thing to see spouted off, but keep in mind that everyone back then was jacked up on cocaine, painkillers, and steroids without fear of any repercussions from the league. Pretty sure Mahomes would have been just fine. A great player today would obviously be a great player then. That player would also be (especially a QB) would be far more beat up due to the protections the QBs and other players now get. Would Mahomes be great in the 70s, sure. Would he throw for 50 TDs a season? No, the league didn't work that way, receviers and tight ends took far more punishment, the Mel Blount rule may not have been passed yet, the turf was like concrete. It was just a different game, and numbers really can't be compared from now to then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 22 hours ago, Spoot-Face said: Sigh its a fun narrative but Maccagnan scouted 2 QB classes and passed on one for the other. The guy he fell in love with was Darnold He psssed on that entire class for Darnold. Adams was the pick because of his vocal leadership style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 9 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Kevin you’re such a disease You’re what the French call les incompetents 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 This is all irrelevant. Zach Wilson will surpass them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Larz said: He psssed on that entire class for Darnold. That sure makes it better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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