Raiders Eyeing Up Becton as a trade Target

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[Jetsfan80]

On 4/28/2022 at 3:42 PM, Jet Nut said:

Becton has at least 2 season left, hes going into year 3, not 4

Right, but the 5th year option has to be exercised by May in the year entering his 4th season.  Meaning his performance this season will largely dictate whether or not he gets that 5th year option.

See what I did there?  “Largely”?  

[Raideraholic]

On 4/28/2022 at 3:04 PM, WestCoastMole said:

The Raider Wire is circulating an article stating that they are looking to swing a deal for Mekhii Becton. No specifics on what the Silver and Black crew are offering. There is a second story from the Draft Network says that Bechton could be moved to Indy, Chicago or Seattle. Seeing as these are unrelated sources it looks good that Douglas is shopping Mekhi around.

No Raiders  coaching staff has  made no effort to upgrade Rt in free agency( took a chance on Ot in 7th round  T Munford  and UFA B Olaseni  6’7 365 .  This is more the media, and the fan base believing it’s still a major concern.    Alex Leatherwood will be given every chance to hold the job down .   Brandon Parker who replaced Leatherwood  , and played majority of the year at Rt is terrible Rt. ( plays a lot better at Lt - decent backup there) .     Why they aren’t worried about Rt in my opinion is Jermaine Eluemunor played a  majority year as starting Rt for the Patriots. ( couple years back) New oline coach is very comfortable with him if he has to play.    

Raiders started one of the youngest offense line last year .  Got a lot better as the season went on.    Losing Denzel Good  at Rg the first game and r Incognito who never played a game last year hurt .      You had one established starter Lt Kolton Miller .   LG J Simpson ( 5 starts in his career - R incognito replacement ). C Andre James ( two to three starts ).  Eluemunor played pretty well at Rg but when Leatherwood struggled at Rt ( first three games - leatherwood had to play somewhere they moved him to Rg .    Eluemunor to the bench .  Cable wouldn’t play Eluemunor at Rt because didn’t have the measurables Cable looks in his tackles.    New offense line coach could careless about that.

Another reason Raiders have 20 something million in cap space but they gave out a lot of big contracts .   They probably can’t afford taken Becton contract as there three out of four of their top cbs ( Rock ya sin - Trayvon Mullen , and A Averett will be Fa’s next year .    N Hobbs is the only Cb that doesn’t hit free agency till three more years. 

[Barry McCockinner]

On 4/28/2022 at 3:04 PM, WestCoastMole said:

The Raider Wire is circulating an article stating that they are looking to swing a deal for Mekhii Becton. No specifics on what the Silver and Black crew are offering. There is a second story from the Draft Network says that Bechton could be moved to Indy, Chicago or Seattle. Seeing as these are unrelated sources it looks good that Douglas is shopping Mekhi around.

@Boozer32 can take this one

@32EBoozer

[UntouchableCrew]

1 hour ago, Raideraholic said:

No Raiders  coaching staff has  made no effort to upgrade Rt in free agency( took a chance on Ot in 7th round  T Munford  and UFA B Olaseni  6’7 365 .  This is more the media, and the fan base believing it’s still a major concern.    Alex Leatherwood will be given every chance to hold the job down .   Brandon Parker who replaced Leatherwood  , and played majority of the year at Rt is terrible Rt. ( plays a lot better at Lt - decent backup there) .     Why they aren’t worried about Rt in my opinion is Jermaine Eluemunor played a  majority year as starting Rt for the Patriots. ( couple years back) New oline coach is very comfortable with him if he has to play.    

Raiders started one of the youngest offense line last year .  Got a lot better as the season went on.    Losing Denzel Good  at Rg the first game and r Incognito who never played a game last year hurt .      You had one established starter Lt Kolton Miller .   LG J Simpson ( 5 starts in his career - R incognito replacement ). C Andre James ( two to three starts ).  Eluemunor played pretty well at Rg but when Leatherwood struggled at Rt ( first three games - leatherwood had to play somewhere they moved him to Rg .    Eluemunor to the bench .  Cable wouldn’t play Eluemunor at Rt because didn’t have the measurables Cable looks in his tackles.    New offense line coach could careless about that.

Another reason Raiders have 20 something million in cap space but they gave out a lot of big contracts .   They probably can’t afford taken Becton contract as there three out of four of their top cbs ( Rock ya sin - Trayvon Mullen , and A Averett will be Fa’s next year .    N Hobbs is the only Cb that doesn’t hit free agency till three more years. 

Never change. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

This is pre-draft speculation. Why the bump?  The trade didn't happen.  There is nothing to see here.......

[Raideraholic]

On 7/12/2022 at 6:36 PM, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

This is pre-draft speculation. Why the bump?  The trade didn't happen.  There is nothing to see here.......

Well when you have legitimate super bowl aspirations this year .    You can be confident what you have at Rt all you want heading into training camp.   If that proves not to be the case , than you have to go out and fix that before the season starts.       Probably just sign a veteran ( D Williams) or if they trade might have to give up A promising pass rusher like Malcolm Koonce .( which they definitely don’t want to do) .        But it takes something, to get something.             Trades can always happen in training camp , as team have better idea about their roster.

[Bruce Harper]

Seems like bs.


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[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Raideraholic said:

Well when you have legitimate super bowl aspirations this year .    You can be confident what you have at Rt all you want heading into training camp.   If that proves not to be the case , than you have to go out and fix that before the season starts.       Probably just sign a veteran ( D Williams) or if they trade might have to give up A promising pass rusher like Malcolm Koonce .( which they definitely don’t want to do) .        But it takes something, to get something.             Trades can always happen in training camp , as team have better idea about their roster.

Should haves picked up Morgan Moses. 

[Fantasy Island]

Big bust in Vegas is already taken

[nycdan]

On 7/12/2022 at 6:36 PM, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

This is pre-draft speculation. Why the bump?  The trade didn't happen.  There is nothing to see here.......

There are always a few folks who are desperate to trade or cut some player.  Once that happens, they move on to the next one.  It's as if the reason the team doesn't win consecutive super bowls is because of one specific guy taking up a roster spot.  If Becton starts to play well this fall, the lens will quietly shift to the next guy with no recognition of the fact that they were flat out wrong.  Always fun here...

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, nycdan said:

There are always a few folks who are desperate to trade or cut some player.  Once that happens, they move on to the next one.  It's as if the reason the team doesn't win consecutive super bowls is because of one specific guy taking up a roster spot.  If Becton starts to play well this fall, the lens will quietly shift to the next guy with no recognition of the fact that they were flat out wrong.  Always fun here...

I don't think that any of us are desperate to trade these guys.  When there are players that seem like assets, but are not being utilized by the team, it makes sense to move them for more assets.  By the time you are sure the players just suck (Gholston, Coples) it is way too late, so the speculation starts when they are underperforming but might still be good for the team (Mims, Becton).

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

7 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

Well when you have legitimate super bowl aspirations this year .    You can be confident what you have at Rt all you want heading into training camp.   If that proves not to be the case , than you have to go out and fix that before the season starts.       Probably just sign a veteran ( D Williams) or if they trade might have to give up A promising pass rusher like Malcolm Koonce .( which they definitely don’t want to do) .        But it takes something, to get something.             Trades can always happen in training camp , as team have better idea about their roster.

The Jets are not trading Becton. This is a BS thread that should have been closed the day after the draft.  I still don't see why it was bumped.  The Jets are not creating a hole at tackle in such a critical year for Wilson.  

[nycdan]

40 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I don't think that any of us are desperate to trade these guys.  When there are players that seem like assets, but are not being utilized by the team, it makes sense to move them for more assets.  By the time you are sure the players just suck (Gholston, Coples) it is way too late, so the speculation starts when they are underperforming but might still be good for the team (Mims, Becton).

Darnold was the perfect example of what you are describing.  No argument there.

I want Mims to succeed here but I would be fine with moving on as I don't think he's going to be one of our top guys even if he does step up.  He could replace Davis but I expect this offense to run around Wilson and Moore regardless.

As for Becton, the clamor to trade him is just dumb.  If he's truly fat, we're not getting much for him.  If he's not, and he can get back on track from what he showed us his rookie year, then he would be worth a ton in a trade (think Tunsil) but why would we even trade him then?  If there is even a modest chance he can do that (pro tip: there is) then we keep him, which is exactly what the team is doing.  We're going to know a lot more by early September.

[jeremy2020]

If Jamal Adams got 2 1sts then I assume Becton would be about a 87% stake of the entire Raiders franchise based on my math. 

[nycdan]

11 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

If Jamal Adams got 2 1sts then I assume Becton would be about a 87% stake of the entire Raiders franchise based on my math. 

I don't think trade value is based on pounds of body weight but I could be wrong...

[jgb]

On 7/12/2022 at 5:20 AM, Jetsfan80 said:

Right, but the 5th year option has to be exercised by May in the year entering his 4th season.  Meaning his performance this season will largely dictate whether or not he gets that 5th year option.

See what I did there?  “Largely”?  

Which season was Darnold's extension based on?  

[Jet Nut]

31 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

If Jamal Adams got 2 1sts then I assume Becton would be about a 87% stake of the entire Raiders franchise based on my math. 

More if you’re using the asset per pound theory

[Jetsfan80]

8 minutes ago, jgb said:

Which season was Darnold's extension based on?  

Hopes and dreams szn, of course!

[Jetsfan80]

9 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

Well when you have legitimate super bowl aspirations this year .   

Maybe focus on getting through that division gauntlet first and winning a single playoff game before talking Super Bowl, guy.  Your franchise hasn't won a playoff game in 20 years. 

Think about that:  The friggin Jets have you beat 5-0 in playoff wins in the last 20 years of playoff games.  Not that any of that history has any impact on the prospects of the 2 franchises in 2022, but its quite sad.

[Dwight Englewood]

54 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

If Jamal Adams got 2 1sts then I assume Becton would be about a 87% stake of the entire Raiders franchise based on my math. 

Sounds about right considering Becton is actually a good player who plays a position that’s actually important 

[Biggs]

I suspect they're just kicking the tire. 

[GangGreened]

Lol Becton wouldn’t draw close to the amount of trade capital Adams did. Come on now 

[jmat321]

Joe D is great at getting value back for players that aren't that good and using those draft picks to select players that are also not that good.  

[Jet Nut]

Just now, GangGreened said:

Lol Becton wouldn’t draw close to the amount of trade capital Adams did. Come on now 

Adams wouldn’t draw close to the amount of trade capital Adams got from a competent FO

[GangGreened]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Adams wouldn’t draw close to the amount of trade capital Adams got from a competent FO

Also true 

[jetstream23]

7 hours ago, Biggs said:

I suspect they're just kicking the tire. 

[Raideraholic]

9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Maybe focus on getting through that division gauntlet first and winning a single playoff game before talking Super Bowl, guy.  Your franchise hasn't won a playoff game in 20 years. 

Think about that:  The friggin Jets have you beat 5-0 in playoff wins in the last 20 years of playoff games.  Not that any of that history has any impact on the prospects of the 2 franchises in 2022, but its quite sad.

laughable a team that season been over before October the last couple years , and hasn’t played a  important game in December in how many years.     Not to mention hasn’t been the playoffs in years .    You wish your roster was anywhere as talented as the Raiders .       Not going even say anymore , as there is no need .   
 

[Raideraholic]

11 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

The Jets are not trading Becton. This is a BS thread that should have been closed the day after the draft.  I still don't see why it was bumped.  The Jets are not creating a hole at tackle in such a critical year for Wilson.  

You can’t say that the Jets under no circumstance are not trading M Becton come training camp.   ( not to Raiders - any team) Depends what shape he comes to camp , and if he misses a lot of training camp .( coaches hate more when players are sitting on sideline more than actual practicing).      There are still quality veteran tackles still out there than can still be signed if the Jets decide to move on from him.

 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

8 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

You can’t say that the Jets under no circumstance are not trading M Becton come training camp.   ( not to Raiders - any team) Depends what shape he comes to camp , and if he misses a lot of training camp .( coaches hate more when players are sitting on sideline more than actual practicing).      There are still quality veteran tackles still out there than can still be signed if the Jets decide to move on from him.

 

Not happening. If this was even a possibility, it would have been a top priority to add another tackle to the roster either in free agency or in the draft.  Becton will play and start this season barring an injury.  

[Jetsfan80]

8 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

laughable a team that season been over before October the last couple years , and hasn’t played a  important game in December in how many years.     Not to mention hasn’t been the playoffs in years .    You wish your roster was anywhere as talented as the Raiders .       Not going even say anymore , as there is no need .   
 

That's why it was laughable.  The team that hasn't been to the playoffs in over a decade has you beat on playoff wins 5-0 over the last 20 years.

Your franchise sucks and you are a humorless schlub.  Never change.  

[THE BARON]

On 4/28/2022 at 3:06 PM, Hex said:

Don't know what to think of this. Part of me wants more picks or players, but part of me also wants to give Becton a second chance.

The Jets brass may have already given him that second chance.  And a third, fourth and fifth chance.  If he is still grossly overweight and unprepared, time to cut losses and get what you can.

[jgb]

On 7/15/2022 at 7:25 AM, Raideraholic said:

You can’t say that the Jets under no circumstance are not trading M Becton come training camp.   ( not to Raiders - any team) Depends what shape he comes to camp , and if he misses a lot of training camp .( coaches hate more when players are sitting on sideline more than actual practicing).      There are still quality veteran tackles still out there than can still be signed if the Jets decide to move on from him.

 

 

So why wouldn’t one of these interested teams just sign one of these hypothetical “quality veteran tackles?”

[Drums]

I don't see JD trading him away when he basically hasn't done much to back him up this year. If he wanted to trade him, last year was the time. 

[Raideraholic]

6 hours ago, jgb said:

 

So why wouldn’t one of these interested teams just sign one of these hypothetical “quality veteran tackles?”

Here is a name - Ot Daryl Williams played much better at tackle than he did at guard for the Bills.     He still out here.          Teams have investments through the draft that they would like to see win those jobs  first .   Rather that guy play one position( need) than have to play another position due to his draft capital that you might be already strong at.   Case in point.     Raiders.     Raiders invested a first round pick in A Leatherwood in 2021 to play Rt.   Wasn’t ready To play and was replaced after three games at Rt .    J Eluemunor  a veteran was forced to the bench because Leatherwood had to play somewhere - lg.   Leatherwood has potential to be pro bowl guard but It will be better/ ideal   if he could hold down Rt .( biggest question on the offense line).

The former Patriot offense line coach can think he can coach up Leatherwood for Rt , or Jermaine Eluemunor played Rt for the them would be okay going with him if they have to.     That’s all good in theory but training camp gets here  and the Ots have to line up against Max Crosby , Chandler Jones , and Malcolm Koonce - 2 sacks in very small sample ( 17 in total pass rush opportunities)  in trying camp every day  .   It all gets real very quickly.

Sure that’s when you might have to adjust your plans and go get that veteran Ot innFa, or through a trade.     When have Wr  D Adams , Te D Waller , Wr Hunter Renfrow  it’s going to be living hell for any defense to stop that group .     Someone going to eat .