Credit JD for trading up to get Hall

[More Cowbell]

When they made the trade to move up 2 spots, I thought it was an over aggressive move with Walker also being available. Both have great speed, both are bellcow type RB's but after reading more about both, it just seems Hall is a better fit. Walker is mauling type back who excels at running  between tackles  and breaking tackles and I love that kind of RB where Hall, even though had not been a rugged type, is a threat pass catcher and doesn't  have the knock on him as a pass protector that Walker has. In this O, I think that is big and made Walker a sqaure peg we would have been trying to fit into a round hole. We would be hoping Walker develops into a pass protector and pass catcher (only caught 18 passes in college). Hall to me seems like a ready fit who can do what we want out of the RB position on day one. It would have been nice to have a bruising  type runner since Carter isn't  built for that but at least when Hall is in there, the D won't  be sure if it's  a run or pass. 

Credit to JD for being aggressive and getting a player that already fits. 

 

[Scott Dierking]

Rather than having to value every single draft pick, because they needed to just get bodies, they were able to use this draft to target the exact players they want as Jets. 

When you start with zero, as Douglas did on this job, you have little wiggle room to but to fill holes with anything. That changed this year. It actually is a process.

[k-met57]

i feel like the jets thought the talent pool this year wasnt as deep as other years, so they made a call to get their guys and move on to UFA market. giving away multiple picks in multiple trades def not JD's DNA.

[Jets723]

This is the benefit of having so much draft capital.  What I like about Douglas is that when he is aggressive and trades up he dies it without overpaying.  He has his price and it’s final.  

[Jets723]

Just now, k-met57 said:

i feel like the jets thought the talent pool this year wasnt as deep as other years, so they made a call to get their guys and move on to UFA market. giving away multiple picks in multiple trades def not JD's DNA.

Honestly they mostly gave up the fifth rounders which I’m fine with.  They traded 69 but we at least got a third back albeit much lower 

[naturalscience]

I think Hall will be able to break through tackles. He seems pretty dynamic all around. Very happy with this pick. 

I like that JD isn't afraid to move up and get players. Doesn't overpay to do so either.

[Sammybighead]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

Honestly they mostly gave up the fifth rounders which I’m fine with.  They traded 69 but we at least got a third back albeit much lower 

That pick ended up being HUGE

[Jimmy 2 Times]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

Honestly they mostly gave up the fifth rounders which I’m fine with.  They traded 69 but we at least got a third back albeit much lower 

And they got the player most of us wanted to take anyway. 

[Irish Jet]

We got Michael Carter and Bryce Hall in the 5th round. Those picks aren’t worthless.

I’ll love the player because he’s fun to watch and what’s this sport about if not entertainment but from a value perspective this wasn’t great. 

[Ghost420]

9 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

When they made the trade to move up 2 spots, I thought it was an over aggressive move with Walker also being available. Both have great speed, both are bellcow type RB's but after reading more about both, it just seems Hall is a better fit. Walker is mauling type back who excels at running  between tackles  and breaking tackles and I love that kind of RB where Hall, even though had not been a rugged type, is a threat pass catcher and doesn't  have the knock on him as a pass protector that Walker has. In this O, I think that is big and made Walker a sqaure peg we would have been trying to fit into a round hole. We would be hoping Walker develops into a pass protector and pass catcher (only caught 18 passes in college). Hall to me seems like a ready fit who can do what we want out of the RB position on day one. It would have been nice to have a bruising  type runner since Carter isn't  built for that but at least when Hall is in there, the D won't  be sure if it's  a run or pass. 

Credit to JD for being aggressive and getting a player that already fits. 

 

Walker man run fast in the 40 but he does not play fast on the field. Hall all day.

[kdels62]

I love trade ups. My brain associates the success of the 2009-2011 Jets with Tanny trading up. Im ambivalent about trading up for a RB but if Hall is good, it doesn’t matter 

[Ghost420]

Just now, Irish Jet said:

We got Michael Carter and Bryce Hall in the 5th round. Those picks aren’t worthless.

I’ll love the player because he’s fun to watch and what’s this sport about if not entertainment but from a value perspective this wasn’t great. 

Michael Carter is slow. He is good but he is not an everydown back.

[Irish Jet]

Just now, Ghost420 said:

Michael Carter is slow. He is good but he is not an everydown back.

There are no everydown backs in this system. 

[Ghost420]

2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

There are no everydown backs in this system. 

I'm willing to bet breece hall is on the field more often than not. The fact is jets needed another rb and got the best one. C

[Jimmy 2 Times]

They will compliment each other well and limit each other's carries.

Fresh legs down the stretch, hopeful longevity, and multiple formations.

It's going to be awesome to watch. 

 

Just think, our top backs from the last few years are now either retired or fourth string!  

This team is transformed. 

[68JET11]

MC went in the 4th, and MC2 went in the 5th...

[derp]

Even since he became the Saints’ lead back over Mark Ingram, Alvin Kamara has had less than half the Saints’ carries every year. Point is not that Hall is Kamara, but guys can make a huge impact without being an “every down” back.

I’m excited to see what a fresher Hall than the one who averaged over 20 carries a game at Iowa State looks like. It’s been a while since the Jets had a real home run hitter in the backfield.

It’ll be fun to have a dynamic back on the field all the time, whether it’s Carter or Hall. And if the run game gets going, especially with Tomlinson as a big upgrade at guard and a new stable of tight ends, it’ll make things easier for this young passing game. And keep the defense fresh.

[slats]

14 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

i feel like the jets thought the talent pool this year wasnt as deep as other years, so they made a call to get their guys and move on to UFA market. giving away multiple picks in multiple trades def not JD's DNA.

I think we’ve all made a lot of assumptions about what might or might not be in JD’s DNA, based largely on his first draft which was really all about adding as many players as he could to fill needs at virtually every position on the team. Last two drafts have seen him target players and trade up to get them. I suspect this is very much in his DNA. He goes where he perceives value, whether it’s up or down. 

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, slats said:

I think we’ve all made a lot of assumptions about what might or might not be in JD’s DNA, based largely on his first draft which was really all about adding as many players as he could to fill needs at virtually every position on the team. Last two drafts have seen him target players and trade up to get them. I suspect this is very much in his DNA. He goes where he perceives value, whether it’s up or down. 

I am also starting to buy into the Gase theory.  That Gase had for more say in that draft than I think we all would have liked.  We'll never know - but the past two have been managed properly, with quality value and no head scratchers.

[slats]

19 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

We got Michael Carter and Bryce Hall in the 5th round. Those picks aren’t worthless.

I’ll love the player because he’s fun to watch and what’s this sport about if not entertainment but from a value perspective this wasn’t great. 

Lol, I think you just enjoy being miserable. This was the last position where the Jets could draft an impact player who will either start or be a major rotational piece from day one. This league is all about offense, and the man brought in new a #1 WR and RB. It’s an exciting pick because it’s a good one. Breece Hall helps this team immediately. 

[ECURB]

19 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

We got Michael Carter and Bryce Hall in the 5th round. Those picks aren’t worthless.

I’ll love the player because he’s fun to watch and what’s this sport about if not entertainment but from a value perspective this wasn’t great. 

Was a deeper draft. Those guys are day 2 picks this year.

[DetroitRed]

Coleman will still get plenty of touches next season

 

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, slats said:

I think we’ve all made a lot of assumptions about what might or might not be in JD’s DNA, based largely on his first draft which was really all about adding as many players as he could to fill needs at virtually every position on the team. Last two drafts have seen him target players and trade up to get them. I suspect this is very much in his DNA. He goes where he perceives value, whether it’s up or down. 

I thought the same thing.  His first draft he was a "trade down" guy.  The past 2 drafts he's been "trade up aggressively".  I feel like he might've overpaid a little for AVT last year but, this year, it felt like he was on point.

We'll see how good his evaluations on these players are though.  I was against drafting a RB in round 2 (in concept) but clearly JD wanted Breece badly so I'm on board with it.  There was a run on RBs that started right there so, to JD's credit, it felt like he timed it perfectly.  He also timed the WR thing perfectly as there was a huge run on WRs when he took Garrett Wilson (though it started with Atlanta at pick 8 with Drake London).

I do think this draft might have been a little unusual in that it was a bit of a weaker draft and JD had a lot of draft capital to play around with.  I could see him next year being a lot more "conventional" (stick-and-pick or trade down).  I like that he's not robotic in his approach.  He's aggressive where he feels he needs to be.  Let's just hope he's right!

[Jet Blast]

It is notable, that in this draft (and in the last draft to some degree), Joe Douglas clearly went for quality over quantity. I seems to me, he has been learning on the job and I like the way his GM prowess seems to be trending upwards.

[Tranquilo]

25 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

We got Michael Carter and Bryce Hall in the 5th round. Those picks aren’t worthless.

I’ll love the player because he’s fun to watch and what’s this sport about if not entertainment but from a value perspective this wasn’t great. 

Breece Hall is a better prospect than Carter was. It would be like picking Javonte Williams in 2nd. 

[Barton]

I really like the Hall pick. Good pick.

Not gonna lie though. He doesnt play to his 40 time. Lacks a 3rd gear. You can see it on his big runs in college - stays in 2nd gear the whole time. No breakaway speed, IMO. 

 

[Irish Jet]

9 minutes ago, slats said:

Lol, I think you just enjoy being miserable. This was the last position where the Jets could draft an impact player who will either start or be a major rotational piece from day one. This league is all about offense, and the man brought in new a #1 WR and RB. It’s an exciting pick because it’s a good one. Breece Hall helps this team immediately. 

Buddy I voiced my disgust at the idea of picking a running back this high a month ago.  It would be pretty hypocritical of me to join in this collective circle jerk just because it's fun.

I get that here at Vibesnation any and all critical thinking has been sacrificed at the alter of Joe Douglas' hypothetical ballsack but you're not going to suddenly convince me that giving up a 5th rounder, to move up two spots for a RB at the top of the 2nd is how good teams are built. Even if we'd have drafted Walker without the trade everyone in this thread would be jerking off to PFF's #1 ranking and calling him the best in the class. It's nonsense. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

9 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I am also starting to buy into the Gase theory.  That Gase had for more say in that draft than I think we all would have liked.  We'll never know - but the past two have been managed properly, with quality value and no head scratchers.

It makes sense.  They've been night and day the last two years.

 

Remember the behind the scenes stories of how JD and Gase were fighting over control during the 2020 season?

Thankfully JD won that battle. 

[Cyberjet]

26 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

We got Michael Carter and Bryce Hall in the 5th round. Those picks aren’t worthless.

I’ll love the player because he’s fun to watch and what’s this sport about if not entertainment but from a value perspective this wasn’t great. 

I think imo that we get caught up or paralyzed by value too much. What the Jets value is a lot different than what Mel Kiper and the draft gurus think. The Jets value of Hall was high in fact they considered going 1st round to get him. You don’t shy away because Peter Prisco thinks it’s not good value

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Mike Maccagnan would have traded up for Travon Walker with the two second round picks and would have traded our third and fourth to get Nakobe Dean in the 2nd round. 

[Tranquilo]

4 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Buddy I voiced my disgust at the idea of picking a running back this high a month ago.  It would be pretty hypocritical of me to join in this collective circle jerk just because it's fun.

I get that here at Vibesnation any and all critical thinking has been sacrificed at the alter of Joe Douglas' hypothetical ballsack but you're not going to suddenly convince me that giving up a 5th rounder, to move up two spots for a RB at the top of the 2nd is how good teams are built. Even if we'd have drafted Walker without the trade everyone in this thread would be jerking off to PFF's #1 ranking and calling him the best in the class. It's nonsense. 

What about when it’s a weak draft in the later rounds, and we come away with 5 solid players in three rounds anyway? I don’t think the players in the 5th round are going to be any better than UDFAs.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

31 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

We got Michael Carter and Bryce Hall in the 5th round. Those picks aren’t worthless.

I’ll love the player because he’s fun to watch and what’s this sport about if not entertainment but from a value perspective this wasn’t great. 

One thing to remember is they already have way too many players on the roster right now.  

You can't keep adding 10 draft picks every year.  The team is now talented enough to fill holes instead of just adding bodies. 

They have limited roster space and targeted the players they thought fit the best. 

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, Barton said:

I really like the Hall pick. Good pick.

Not gonna lie though. He doesnt play to his 40 time. Lacks a 3rd gear. You can see it on his big runs in college - stays in 2nd gear the whole time. No breakaway speed, IMO. 

When I watched his highlights, it didn't look like he had the breakaway speed to me either.  But possibly he runs with such ease that he's running a lot faster than comes across on film?  Whether he has the blazing speed or not, he did seem like a heck of a receiver out of the backfield!  And if JD was so adamant about drafting him then I'm far more confident in his evaluation than in my own.

 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

Just now, Tranquilo said:

What about when it’s a weak draft in the later rounds, and we come away with 5 solid players in three rounds anyway? I don’t think the players in the 5th round are going to be any better than UDFAs.

Exactly. 

What good are the extra fifth rounders if you don't have a roster spot for them?  

They have like a hundred players signed right now.  The desired players were targeted and aggressivly bought. 

[sourceworx]

6 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Mike Maccagnan would have traded up for Travon Walker with the two second round picks and would have traded our third and fourth to get Nakobe Dean in the 2nd round.