Is this the beginning of the end of "Same Old Jets"?

[DoomProphet]

 

[Copernicus]

Yes

(although I have thought the same thing for the past 45 years)

[DoomProphet]

Just now, Copernicus said:

Yes

(although I have thought the same thing for the past 45 years)

I really believe with JD in changing the culture that we have a big chance to finally get rid of that moniker once and for all.

[southparkcpa]

13 minutes ago, DoomProphet said:

 

I absolutely believed that in 2011......  then we experienced some of the worst  10 years of NY football.  

[Joe W. Namath]

23 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

I absolutely believed that in 2011......  then we experienced some of the worst  10 years of NY football.  

Mike Tannenbaum was an awful GM.  Once he ran out of money, he had no clue how to build a roster.

There is no smoke and mirrors here w/ Joe Douglas.  He is building this for long term sustained success.  We are becoming the Baltimore ravens/pittsburgh steelers right before your eyes.

The Jets will have 10-15 years of dominance and win multiple Super Bowls.  And no, I am not saying this post 2022 draft.  I have been saying this for a year now.

If you look at how Joe Douglas is operating its genius.  Hes a GMing savant.

[David Harris]

Yup

[rangerous]

no.  they had a good run under michaels where they made some reallt good draft picks and had good players.  even the walton teams were strong.  and to get rid of same old jets means burying their history, both good and bad.  besides, this group hasn't played a game yet.

[DoomProphet]

7 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Mike Tannenbaum was an awful GM.  Once he ran out of money, he had no clue how to build a roster.

There is no smoke and mirrors here w/ Joe Douglas.  He is building this for long term sustained success.  We are becoming the Baltimore ravens/pittsburgh steelers right before your eyes.

The Jets will have 10-15 of dominance and win multiple Super Bowls.  And no, I am not saying this post 2022 draft.  I have been saying this for a year now.

If you look at how Joe Douglas is operating its genius.  Hes a GMing savant.

Definitely changed the culture within 3 years. Hopefully we will see the results starting with this season.

[CanadienJetsFan]

Only winning changes things 

[munchmemory]

Most of you young folks can't imagine how many times I've heard this over the decades.   A decent draft.  Super Bowl.  An undefeated pre-season?  Super Bowl.  We win two in a row in the regular season?  Super Bowl.

Please, do yourself a favor and just wait until we actually play some games before making any determination of this team's success.  Right now, it's nothing but speculation, hope and potential.   The last two which usually crash and burn with the team's ineptitude.

[nycdan]

1 minute ago, munchmemory said:

Most of you young folks can't imagine how many times I've heard this over the decades.   A decent draft.  Super Bowl.  An undefeated pre-season?  Super Bowl.  We win two in a row in the regular season?  Super Bowl.

Please, do yourself a favor and just wait until we actually play some games before making any determination of this team's success.  Right now, it's nothing but speculation, hope and potential.   The last two which usually crash and burn with the team's ineptitude.

Oh lord....that preseason we went 5-0 and I think then went on to win only 4 games the entire regular season.

Good times...

[Duckman]

As soon as we finished trading up for Jermaine Johnson and then Breece Hall, the "Same Old Jets" were in our rearview mirror.  Only looking forward now, it's our turn.

[DoomProphet]

5 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Only winning changes things 

The Jets are going to have to win at least one SB for that moniker to be buried forever.

[munchmemory]

6 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Oh lord....that preseason we went 5-0 and I think then went on to win only 4 games the entire regular season.

Good times...

Browning Nagle.  The man, the myth, the legend.  

As trite as it may sound, until they prove otherwise, they're still the Jets.

[Jets Things]

Possibly

[Joe W. Namath]

19 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

Most of you young folks can't imagine how many times I've heard this over the decades.   A decent draft.  Super Bowl.  An undefeated pre-season?  Super Bowl.  We win two in a row in the regular season?  Super Bowl.

Please, do yourself a favor and just wait until we actually play some games before making any determination of this team's success.  Right now, it's nothing but speculation, hope and potential.   The last two which usually crash and burn with the team's ineptitude.

You do not have to wait if you pull back the curtain and see what is behind.

All these hopes and dreams you had in the past were smoke and mirrors.

Ill start from 1998:

Parcells - would have won a super bowl with us but he quit

Herm/Bradway - if you were fooled by these 2, shame on you.  Edwards was a good rah rah guy but a pretty bad head coach on Sunday and waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to conservative.  Bradway as a gm was average at best.

Mangini/Tannenbaum - Mangini was just mimicking Bellichek and after 1 year of success, he went down the tubes pretty quick,  I cant imagine you were fooled here.

Rex/Tannenbaum - Rex's rah rah attitude plus tannebaum spending like a drunken sailor always had a quick expiration date.  I cant imagine when Rex was at the podium in a wig dressed as his brother you said to yourself, "Heres a guy that is going to be here for 15 years and win multiple super bowls."

Bowles/McCagnan - After a year of fitzmagic, this hit the fan real fast.  I cant imagine anyone was fooled here.  Terrible coach and worse gm.

Adam Gase - if anyone thought this clown was the answer.........................my goodness.

So as you can see, if you believed in real success and super bowls, you really have no one to blame but yourself.  The front office structure and coach was never in place for sustained success.

We now have the best young gm/head coach tandem in the league.  We have more young talent on our roster then any team in the league.  We have zero cap issues that will get us in trouble down the road.  We have an owner who will do whatever said gm/coach ask of him.  Money is no obstacle.

If you guys can see how this is different from the regimes over the last 25 years then I do not know what to tell you.

[Claymation]

18 minutes ago, DoomProphet said:

Definitely changed the culture within 3 years. Hopefully we will see the results starting with this season.

The cupboards aren't bare anymore, the success of this team now falls squarely of Robert and his staff. They have to develop these players and more importantly Zach Wilson. The success of this franchise depends on it.

[THE BARON]

Well.  It was the end of the same old Jets when Parcells ran the show.  It was also the end of the same old Jets for the first years of the Rex Jets.  Going back a bit further, even the Walt Michaels Jets were a nice departure from failure for a while.  

They just have not been able to sustain regular functionality due to bad decisions at the VERY top.

If Woody stays out of JD's way and JD knows what he is doing, it will indeed be the end of the same old Jets.  Again.  For how long is for how long Woody stays out of the kitchen. 

[shawn306]

When they win a Super Bowl will the curse be broken

[Trotter]

23 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

Most of you young folks can't imagine how many times I've heard this over the decades.   A decent draft.  Super Bowl.  An undefeated pre-season?  Super Bowl.  We win two in a row in the regular season?  Super Bowl.

Please, do yourself a favor and just wait until we actually play some games before making any determination of this team's success.  Right now, it's nothing but speculation, hope and potential.   The last two which usually crash and burn with the team's ineptitude.

As a fellow Boomer, I hear you loud and clear.

Rexx buried a football to get rid of a bad taste. I am guessing it is going to take more than that for a burial of same old jets.

Ideas anyone?

[munchmemory]

5 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

When they win a Super Bowl will the curse be broken

I will personally slaughter a goat and eat its entrails the day after that win.

[munchmemory]

11 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

You do not have to wait if you pull back the curtain and see what is behind.

All these hopes and dreams you had in the past were smoke and mirrors.

Ill start from 1998:

Parcells - would have won a super bowl with us but he quit

Herm/Bradway - if you were fooled by these 2, shame on you.  Edwards was a good rah rah guy but a pretty bad head coach on Sunday and waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to conservative.  Bradway as a gm was average at best.

Mangini/Tannenbaum - Mangini was just mimicking Bellichek and after 1 year of success, he went down the tubes pretty quick,  I cant imagine you were fooled here.

Rex/Tannenbaum - Rex's rah rah attitude plus tannebaum spending like a drunken sailor always had a quick expiration date.  I cant imagine when Rex was at the podium in a wig dressed as his brother you said to yourself, "Heres a guy that is going to be here for 15 years and win multiple super bowls."

Bowles/McCagnan - After a year of fitzmagic, this hit the fan real fast.  I cant imagine anyone was fooled here.  Terrible coach and worse gm.

Adam Gase - if anyone thought this clown was the answer.........................my goodness.

So as you can see, if you believed in real success and super bowls, you really have no one to blame but yourself.  The front office structure and coach was never in place for sustained success.

We now have the best young gm/head coach tandem in the league.  We have more young talent on our roster then any team in the league.  We have zero cap issues that will get us in trouble down the road.  We have an owner who will do whatever said gm/coach ask of him.  Money is no obstacle.

If you guys can see how this is different from the regimes over the last 25 years then I do not know what to tell you.

[DoomProphet]

15 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

When they win a Super Bowl will the curse be broken

I agree that's the only way you will truly bury the Same Old Jets talk for good.

[DoomProphet]

15 minutes ago, Trotter said:

As a fellow Boomer, I hear you loud and clear.

Rexx buried a football to get rid of a bad taste. I am guessing it is going to take more than that for a burial of same old jets.

Ideas anyone?

Winning a SB will do it.

[munchmemory]

35 minutes ago, Trotter said:

As a fellow Boomer, I hear you loud and clear.

Rexx buried a football to get rid of a bad taste. I am guessing it is going to take more than that for a burial of same old jets.

Ideas anyone?

The UN General Assembly votes unanimously that the only way the SOJ moniker can be removed is if I have a threesome with Sydney Sweeney and Camilla Cabello.  A rapidly-convened Special Papal Ecumenical Council concurs and maintains that the enormity of my action negates any possibility of breaking my marital vows.

[JetPotato]

Why don't you just tell us the answer, Prophet?

[peebag]

can't wait for the bandwagoneers to leap off.

[nj meadowlands]

Good lord.

[Sammybighead]

The narrative changes when you have sustained success. Not 1 or 2 years. Sustained. When we look back 10 years from now and Saleh is still the head coach because they built a perennial winner, then you can say same Ole jets is dead.

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

He is building this for long term sustained success.  We are becoming the Baltimore ravens/pittsburgh steelers right before your eyes.

The Jets will have 10-15 years of dominance and win multiple Super Bowls.  And no, I am not saying this post 2022 draft.  I have been saying this for a year now.

Is what you predict going to happen? Who knows

the facts on the ground are they haven't won a division game in 3 years

and they are playing in the toughest division again 

dont tell me with sweet cheap words.

show me, with wins.  

 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, nycdan said:

Oh lord....that preseason we went 5-0 and I think then went on to win only 4 games the entire regular season.

Good times...

Browning Nagle, fun times

[Copernicus]

1 hour ago, munchmemory said:

Browning Nagle.  The man, the myth, the legend.  

As trite as it may sound, until they prove otherwise, they're still the Jets.

ONE pick after Bret Favre

[Barry McCockinner]

Nothing like post-draft offseason optimism. I do feel really good about how JD/Saleh are building the team and love the draft. It feels like we're finally giving a highly drafted QB a really good chance to succeed.

Need to see the changes working out on Sundays before I build any statues though.

[peebag]

1 hour ago, nycdan said:

Oh lord....that preseason we went 5-0 and I think then went on to win only 4 games the entire regular season.

Good times...

Yes but did we win the offseason?

[munchmemory]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Is what you predict going to happen? Who knows

the facts on the ground are they haven't won a division game in 3 years

and they are playing in the toughest division again 

dont tell me with sweet cheap words.

show me, with wins.  

 

Other than the 11 straight years we have not made the playoffs, the shocker for me was Saleh's D gave up the most points per game in the NFL.  He better fix that in a hurry.  'Cause if they play the same way and Zach has a similar season, we're not winning more than three or four games again.