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If Atlanta would have taken Wilson with the #8 pick, this is what I think would have reasonably happened.


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Ok, the Jets take Sauce at #4.  Wilson goes to Atlanta with the #8 pick, and the Jets have already said that they would have taken Jermaine Johnson with the #10 pick.

This means the Jets would have continued to have the #35 and #38 picks in the draft.  What did happen was that the Green Bay Packers moved up to #34 trading with the Vikings to select Christian Watson.  They gave up the #53 and #59 picks in order to take him.

The Jets would have been in conversation with the Vikings as well, and would have been able to offer a better deal to the Vikings.  They could have given up the #38 pick and traded the #69 pick with a lower third round pick to get Christian Watson.  In this scenario, they would have still taken Breece Hall at #35.

In effect, the Jets could have very conceivably had the exact same draft as they did with the exception being that they would have ended up with Christian Watson at wide receiver instead of Wilson.  Watson also would have been a great pick for the Jets.  At 6'4" and 205 pounds, he could stretch the field and be a big target.  His 4.36 speed eclipsed Wilson's 4.39 speed, so that is basically a wash.  Where Wilson is rated higher I think, is related to his ability to stop and move suddenly and separate from opposing defensive backs.  Watson it seems would have had the ability to develop into a #1 receiver, as is the hope of Wilson.

The Jets would have still drafted Ruckert, Max and Clemons when they got them, so the draft would have still ended up great for the Jets, but just not with their #1 perceived wide receiver, but a wide receiver who could still have translated into a "home run" pick.

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The Vikings traded #34 for #53 and #59.

If I understand this correctly, you are proposing the Jets would have traded #38 and #69 PLUS another lower round pick for the same thing? 

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Let's see who ends up the better football player.  There were issues with Watson.  Wilson and Watson have similar attributes.  

Watson may have been the better long-term investment because of his size and speed, even if he lacked skills.  He has been compared to Mims.  Watson has Rodgers.  The Jets are win now and have Zach Wilson.  Garrett Wilson is more ready today to help Zach Wilson.  

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6 minutes ago, Titan24 said:

Heard a podcast w Todd Mcshay who is close to JD, said would have been WR Jameson Williams or Jermaine Johnson 

There was a lot of pre-draft chatter that the Jets loved London, but that could’ve been smoke just like the alleged Ekwonu love. Completely different receiver, but I would’ve liked it. I don’t think it would’ve been Williams, only because I think these guys are looking for players who will help the team from day one. 

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2 minutes ago, slats said:

There was a lot of pre-draft chatter that the Jets loved London, but that could’ve been smoke just like the alleged Ekwonu love. Completely different receiver, but I would’ve liked it. I don’t think it would’ve been Williams, only because I think these guys are looking for players who will help the team from day one. 

Exactly mcshay did say “ I don’t think Joe would be upset if I tell you this” but would have been williams etc but who knows 

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26 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Wilson is already a pro. Watson has to learn how to be a pro 

I suspect they'd have taken drake london at 10

The jets said they would have not taken Drake London, but would have taken Jermaine Johnson.  Unless they have a reason to lie, which I don't believe.

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34 minutes ago, Alka said:

Ok, the Jets take Sauce at #4.  Wilson goes to Atlanta with the #8 pick, and the Jets have already said that they would have taken Jermaine Johnson with the #10 pick.

This means the Jets would have continued to have the #35 and #38 picks in the draft.  What did happen was that the Green Bay Packers moved up to #34 trading with the Vikings to select Christian Watson.  They gave up the #53 and #59 picks in order to take him.

The Jets would have been in conversation with the Vikings as well, and would have been able to offer a better deal to the Vikings.  They could have given up the #38 pick and traded the #69 pick with a lower third round pick to get Christian Watson.  In this scenario, they would have still taken Breece Hall at #35.

In effect, the Jets could have very conceivably had the exact same draft as they did with the exception being that they would have ended up with Christian Watson at wide receiver instead of Wilson.  Watson also would have been a great pick for the Jets.  At 6'4" and 205 pounds, he could stretch the field and be a big target.  His 4.36 speed eclipsed Wilson's 4.39 speed, so that is basically a wash.  Where Wilson is rated higher I think, is related to his ability to stop and move suddenly and separate from opposing defensive backs.  Watson it seems would have had the ability to develop into a #1 receiver, as is the hope of Wilson.

The Jets would have still drafted Ruckert, Max and Clemons when they got them, so the draft would have still ended up great for the Jets, but just not with their #1 perceived wide receiver, but a wide receiver who could still have translated into a "home run" pick.

Can someone give me the Cliff Notes for this

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25 minutes ago, nycdan said:

The Vikings traded #34 for #53 and #59.

If I understand this correctly, you are proposing the Jets would have traded #38 and #69 PLUS another lower round pick for the same thing? 

Yes, absolutely.  The difference between getting the #38 pick and the #53 pick is huge in my opinion.  15 spots to move up at the top of the second round?  I would have taken that deal over the Packers deal, and the Vikings would have still ended up with the #69 pick as well. 

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1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

Can someone give me the Cliff Notes for this

Apparently it's too early to start obsessing over the 2023 draft so we're still doing it over the 2022 draft and finding ways to make it worse for us based on things that didn't happen so we can still be critical of Joe Douglas who really messed up the running narrative here about how bad he was.  

Of course, I know that you know that I know which goblet has the poison,.,

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2 minutes ago, Alka said:

Yes, absolutely.  The difference between getting the #38 pick and the #53 pick is huge in my opinion.  15 spots to move up at the top of the second round?  I would have taken that deal over the Packers deal, and the Vikings would have still ended up with the #69 pick as well. 

Of course the Vikings would.  But you are giving away so much more than we would have needed to.  That is so *not* a Joe Douglas trade.

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27 minutes ago, Warfish said:

But they didn't take him.

So what difference does make-believe hypotheticals like this make now?

We have Wilson.  It's done.  No need to agonize on what might or could or maybe on Earth-1685 might have happened.

After all these guys have played for a few years, we'll all do the "what might have been, why'd we take O'Brian when we coulda had Marino" dance.  Not a week after the draft, lol.

I'm not agonizing at all.  I am very happy with the way the draft turned out, but at least for me, it is interesting to see what could have reasonably happened had it gone another way.  That's all I'm saying, nothing more.

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2 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Of course the Vikings would.  But you are giving away so much more than we would have needed to.  That is so *not* a Joe Douglas trade.

Perhaps you're forgetting that I'm also saying that the Jets would have recouped a lower 3rd round pick, thus giving up #69 for the Vikings lower 3rd round pick.  

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8 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Apparently it's too early to start obsessing over the 2023 draft so we're still doing it over the 2022 draft and finding ways to make it worse for us based on things that didn't happen so we can still be critical of Joe Douglas who really messed up the running narrative here about how bad he was.  

Of course, I know that you know that I know which goblet has the poison,.,

Please, I am not being critical  of Joe Douglas.  He was masterful in my opinion.  Just a different draft would have happened if Atlanta takes Wilson at #8.  That's all I'm saying.

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31 minutes ago, Alka said:

The jets said they would have not taken Drake London, but would have taken Jermaine Johnson.  Unless they have a reason to lie, which I don't believe.

The reason to lie is because JD literally is employed based on his ability to draft. Getting three top 10 talents would be a historic value. Is that what happened? Time will tell. 

London vs Jameson aside, JJ was 26th on the leaked Jerry Jones board. Exactly where he went 

He's old by top 10 pick standards (23) and a little light in the rear for some of these schemes. 

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1 hour ago, Titan24 said:

Heard a podcast w Todd Mcshay who is close to JD, said would have been WR Jameson Williams or Jermaine Johnson 

I can absolutely see the value of Jameson Williams at 10 but the offense can't afford a redshirt year. Zach wilson needs help week 1. 

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Just now, bitonti said:

I can absolutely see the value of Jameson Williams at 10 the offense couldn't afford a redshirt year. Zach wilson needs help week 1. 

I wanted Jameson Wiliams and was worried the Jets would avoid drafting him due to him potentially missing 1-2 months.  I'd rather pick the best WR for the long-term.  But if JD wanted Garrett Wilson then I'm good with that too.  

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19 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I wanted Jameson Wiliams and was worried the Jets would avoid drafting him due to him potentially missing 1-2 months.  I'd rather pick the best WR for the long-term.  But if JD wanted Garrett Wilson then I'm good with that too.  

It would be like when the titans drafted Jeffrey Simmons, that player isn't going to contribute much year 1 but can be a force the next year. Even if Williams gets on the field this year he probably won't be "himself" until 23

The Jets don't have that luxury 

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1 hour ago, Alka said:

I'm not agonizing at all.  I am very happy with the way the draft turned out, but at least for me, it is interesting to see what could have reasonably happened had it gone another way.  That's all I'm saying, nothing more.

Yeah, no worries.  I just think it's a bit silly is all.  Anything "could" have "reasonably" happened, so it's all sorta moot.  None of us fans know JD's mind.  So it's all just sorta fantastical wish fulfillment more than real analysis.

You think they go Watson, many will say there is no chance they'd have ever picked Watson, and here we go, back to pre-Draft I-want-this type speculation except after the fact when we actually know what DID happen.

The only person who knows what we reasonably would have done is maybe JD, if he ever thought about it.  

But if it makes yall happy, by all means ignore me being my usual curmudgeonly self. LOL. :lol:

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1 hour ago, Alka said:

Perhaps you're forgetting that I'm also saying that the Jets would have recouped a lower 3rd round pick, thus giving up #69 for the Vikings lower 3rd round pick.  

It seemed to me you were saying we would trade 38, 69 and another lower third round pick for 34.  If I got that wrong, apologies.

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4 minutes ago, nycdan said:

It seemed to me you were saying we would trade 38, 69 and another lower third round pick for 34.  If I got that wrong, apologies.

It's all good.  No reason to apologize.  I guess this whole thread is based upon boredom, but I am always fascinated by what the alternatives might have been if things went just a little bit differently.  But any way you look at it, Joe Douglas nailed this draft.  My respect for JD has grown immeasurably.

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Key thing, in my opinion, is the subsequent run on receivers would potentially have been very different if we don't take WR at 10. Trade ups could have looked very different and you get a whole ripple effect.

Or if we take a different WR. E.g. do Detroit trade up from 32 if we take Williams at 10?



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5 hours ago, Warfish said:

But they didn't take him.

So what difference does make-believe hypotheticals like this make now?

We have Wilson.  It's done.  No need to agonize on what might or could or maybe on Earth-1685 might have happened.

After all these guys have played for a few years, we'll all do the "what might have been, why'd we take O'Brian when we coulda had Marino" dance.  Not a week after the draft, lol.

Wait, we could've had Marino instead of O'Brien? 

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2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Wait, we could've had Marino instead of O'Brien? 

When the Jets took O'brien over Marino, I just couldn't believe it.

Even a blind and deaf squirrel could have gotten that acorn.  Still baffling. 

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25 minutes ago, Alka said:

When the Jets took O'brien over Marino, I just couldn't believe it.

Even a blind and deaf squirrel could have gotten that acorn.  Still baffling. 

Whoa, when did this happen?

I was a teenager watching that draft on tv and don't remember anything about it.

If this is true, how come nobody talks about it?

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2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Whoa, when did this happen?

I was a teenager watching that draft on tv and don't remember anything about it.

If this is true, how come nobody talks about it?

Well, there was no internet back then; no social media to discuss it, no instagram, no twitter.  But I remember it, and I was watching the draft on tv the same as you.  I also remember the Heidi game like it was yesterday, watching the Jets with like a 10 point lead with less than 2 1/2 minutes left in the game, and Heidi magically came on my tv screen.  I was so upset, and was so angry that I couldn't watch my Jets finish off the Raiders.  Of course, the Jets lost that game, and there was so many nasty calls to NBC at the time, that it will never happen again. My memories of the Jets are pretty vivid.  Not all of them, but certain memories are front and center, and the Jets passing on Dan Marino is one of those memories.

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11 hours ago, Warfish said:

But they didn't take him.

So what difference does make-believe hypotheticals like this make now?

We have Wilson.  It's done.  No need to agonize on what might or could or maybe on Earth-1685 might have happened.

After all these guys have played for a few years, we'll all do the "what might have been, why'd we take O'Brian when we coulda had Marino" dance.  Not a week after the draft, lol.

This is why we love each other.

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6 hours ago, Alka said:

Well, there was no internet back then; no social media to discuss it, no instagram, no twitter.  But I remember it, and I was watching the draft on tv the same as you.  I also remember the Heidi game like it was yesterday, watching the Jets with like a 10 point lead with less than 2 1/2 minutes left in the game, and Heidi magically came on my tv screen.  I was so upset, and was so angry that I couldn't watch my Jets finish off the Raiders.  Of course, the Jets lost that game, and there was so many nasty calls to NBC at the time, that it will never happen again. My memories of the Jets are pretty vivid.  Not all of them, but certain memories are front and center, and the Jets passing on Dan Marino is one of those memories.

I vividly remember the 1983 draft.  I even remember the 1981 draft when we picked Freeman McNeil and Giants picked Taylor. I remember in that draft there was an interview with the Raiders and they said basically they don't give a crap about the draft they only use veterans. Of course I remember the Super Bowl win too (I was 4)

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