Popular Post jetsons Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 10 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warfish Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 The "eye test" doesn't lie, but analytics and statistics do. Got it. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UntouchableCrew Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 It's really hard to take "analysis" from Jets-centric sources seriously on stuff like this. They're feeding an audience what it wants to hear. 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darnold's Forehead Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 Holy moly training camp hasn’t even started yet and the pro-Wilson propaganda is already starting. Wasnt Darnold like one of the best QBs in the league towards the end of his rookie season? Zach played bad last year and the only thing that should change anyone’s perception of him is how he starts his sophomore season. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said: Holy moly training camp hasn’t even started yet and the pro-Wilson propaganda is already starting. Wasnt Darnold like one of the best QBs in the league towards the end of his rookie season? Zach played bad last year and the only thing that should change anyone’s perception of him is how he starts his sophomore season. We're hoping Zach can avoid contracting mono. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, Warfish said: The "eye test" doesn't lie, but analytics and statistics do. Got it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 “He sucks” is relative to the greatest QBs in the game, on planet earth. You can cherry pick it and convince yourself of anything. He was in a tough spot, Becton, AVT, Moore missed significant camp time. First time play caller. Always playing from behind. What frustrated me was the lack of confidence and decision making combined with the hero ball nonsense. What concerned me was taking a shot gun snap and drifting backwards and running out the back door when he had pressure. Needs to toughen up too 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, Larz said: “He sucks” is relative to the greatest QBs in the game, on planet earth. You can cherry pick it and convince yourself of anything. He was in a tough spot, Becton, AVT, Moore missed significant camp time. First time play caller. Always playing from behind. What frustrated me was the lack of confidence and decision making combined with the hero ball nonsense. What concerned me was taking a shot gun snap and drifting backwards and running out the back door when he had pressure. Needs to toughen up too This. If Wilson just shows he has learned to step up in the pocket instead of bailing as soon as there is pressure, that in itself woukd be progress. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shuler82 Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 Wilson was bad last year. Really bad. If he suited up in any other uniform we'd be laughing at him. The idea that he got 'better' as the season went on is only a narrative because he was so bad before he got hurt. Skipping screen pass bad. Throwing into triple coverage bad. Sure he stopped turning the ball over, and even hit a screen pass or two, but the big plays disappeared too. Blame his supporting cast, blame the coaching, blame Mike White. Kid was worse than we feared on draft night. Now, will I be waiving #2 green and white poms poms all summer and fall for Zach? Absolutely. He has the physical tools and is the best hope we've had under center since a pre 2002 wildcard game Chad Pennington. But this offseason revisionist 'deep' dive into last season's film is bs. What matters is how he shows up in 2022. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I've seen enough 'film' of 2021. I'm on to 2022. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I like the Aussie but this is bad. At one point he pulls a full on JN Zackamania line and it's amazing. Zach makes a nice throw over a defender into a window and he says, "this arm talent, this is velocity, this about fitting a ball into a window that nobody else in the NFL can" and then immediately says "I say nobody, ofcourse there are" and starts reeling off QB's. lmfao. So good. He must be a poster. I've got a few guess. lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gastineau Lives Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 We got a good one on our hands. One of the most physically gifted qbs in terms arm strength, escapability, quick release, mobility, making off platform throws, and yes, accuracy (he puts balls in windows few can). These will all be on full display this year and the hE sUcKs crowd can finally shut the **** up like they did in real time during the Tampa Bay game. I'm happy about that. 3 1 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLuLu Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I can be honest and say I was sour on getting rid of Darnold to draft Wilson. I was wrong and I'm glad that Douglas made the move. Wilson is gonna be a stud in this league starting this year. To hell with Tua and Mack. Zack has his eyes locked on the big fish up in Buffalo. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sammybighead Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'm at the "just show me" phase of my life. I don't care what Zach looked like last year, he was a rookie and I will generally disregard what I see, good or bad. If he had an amazing rookie season, i'd be saying "ok, do it again". He had a bad rookie season, i'm saying "ok, you get 1 free pass in your NFL career, that was it, now show me something". In the offseason, i've witnessed Chad's arm get stronger, Sanchez grow a brain, Geno become a leader, Hackenberg greatly improve accuracy, Sam reduce turnovers, etc (all in the offseason). Zach's been given all tools necessary to succeed. More so than most of the QBs listed above so he's in a very lucky/unique position. With that said: JUST SHOW ME 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hal N of Provo Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, JiFapono said: I like the Aussie but this is bad. At one point he pulls a full on JN Zackamania line and it's amazing. Zach makes a nice throw over a defender into a window and he says, "this arm talent, this is velocity, this about fitting a ball into a window that nobody else in the NFL can" and then immediately says "I say nobody, ofcourse there are" and starts reeling off QB's. lmfao. So good. He must be a poster. I've got a few guess. lol It’s not me mate, I swear! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: We got a good one on our hands. One of the most physically gifted qbs in terms arm strength, escapability, quick release, mobility, and yes, accuracy (he puts balls in windows few can). These will all be on full display this year and the hE sUcKs crowd can finally shut the **** up. I'm happy about that. See the Tampa game against the #4 D. He was throwing ropes into the smallest of windows consistently ALL game with Berrios as his #1. He had the GOAT beaten for 59 min 30 seconds, with an injury ravaged offense. No prior Jet QBs of the last 20 years could have played that well in those circumstances. Can he make throws like that on a consistent basis in 2022? Why not? He has a Top 10 OL now. He has lots of speed from a dangerous WR room. He has 2 dangerous RBs in his backfield. He also has 3 Pro TEs whereas in his Rookie year he had none. He actually had No WRs and No RBs and No TEs in what was probably his signature game of his rookie year vs Brady. It’s pretty universally acknowledged that he checks all the physical boxes as far as attributes in a QB. Actually I think it would be more surprising if he Didn’t step up his game significantly this year. He made a very crucial adjustment to his game regarding ball security after coming back from injury. 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyLV Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 We shouldn't be putting him into Canton just yet but the ones that only see the negative in Zach and remind us in every thread really hamper the joy of coming here to talk Jets. He's our QB, likely for a very long time. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freestater Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, johnnysd said: We shouldn't be putting him into Canton just yet but the ones that only see the negative in Zach and remind us in every thread really hamper the joy of coming here to talk Jets. He's our QB, likely for a very long time. I get that he played bad last year, but he did improve as the season went on. Particularly between the ears. If he can grow in this offense with his new targets, then he could end up being very good. I do like the fact that the Jets are following that new hot trend of letting a young QB stay in one system for his first couple years. ? Thats something we never seem to try. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, shuler82 said: Wilson was bad last year. Really bad. If he suited up in any other uniform we'd be laughing at him. The idea that he got 'better' as the season went on is only a narrative because he was so bad before he got hurt. Skipping screen pass bad. Throwing into triple coverage bad. Sure he stopped turning the ball over, and even hit a screen pass or two, but the big plays disappeared too. Blame his supporting cast, blame the coaching, blame Mike White. Kid was worse than we feared on draft night. Now, will I be waiving #2 green and white poms poms all summer and fall for Zach? Absolutely. He has the physical tools and is the best hope we've had under center since a pre 2002 wildcard game Chad Pennington. But this offseason revisionist 'deep' dive into last season's film is bs. What matters is how he shows up in 2022. I keep coming back to the week 18 vs Buffalo Yes everyone was injured. Yes it was windy But there's no excuse for an offense on 2021 nfl picking up only 53 net yards in a game It’s was the worst offensive output in Jets franchise history Think about that Worse than any kotite team worse than any Adam gase team. Worse than the expansion Titans in 1962. The rules have changed so much to protect the offense over time. Zach wilson may or may not be be good this year but he has this group of loyal defenders who want to believe, so they do It's not really based on facts or evidence It's based on optimism. And I guess that gets people through the day. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: See the Tampa game against the #4 D. He was throwing ropes into the smallest of windows consistently ALL game with Berrios as his #1. He had the GOAT beaten for 59 min 30 seconds, with an injury ravaged offense. No prior Jet QBs of the last 20 years could have played that well in those circumstances. Can he make throws like that on a consistent basis in 2022? Why not? He has a Top 10 OL now. He has lots of speed from a dangerous WR room. He has 2 dangerous RBs in his backfield. He also has 3 Pro TEs whereas in his Rookie year he had none. He actually had No WRs and No RBs and No TEs in what was probably his signature game of his rookie year vs Brady. It’s pretty universally acknowledged that he checks all the physical boxes as far as attributes in a QB. Actually I think it would be more surprising if he Didn’t step up his game significantly this year. He made a very crucial adjustment to his game regarding ball security after coming back from injury. This is all true. There are some amazing analytics out there as well. One I saw was that if the Jets receivers only dropped passes at the NFL average he would have been around 65% accuracy. People act like he was skipping every pass. There was another that Zach led the league with something like 9 completions tackled at the one. People love to talk about the Mike White game but Zach before then was seriously hampered by ultra conservative play calling (my worry is they will do this again and limit his progress} 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 The weird thing with PFF is that until the Buffalo Game Zach settled into the mid 20s of their rankings with Trevor Lawrence under him. Then he had that Buffalo game and it dropped him below Trevor Lawrence, that’s often cited as “Zach Wilson so bad but Lawrence has upside.” Makes no sense and shows the flaw of small sample size. Wilson sucked last year. He did improve as the year went on. He was still not impressive. Give him this season and start to make plans to move on if he still sucks. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I expect him to be walking by mid season. That's my boy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, bitonti said: I keep coming back to the week 18 vs Buffalo Yes everyone was injured. Yes it was windy But there's no excuse for an offense on 2021 nfl picking up only 53 net yards in a game It’s was the worst offensive output in Jets franchise history Zach wilson may or may not be be good this year but he has this group of loyal defenders who want to believe, so they do It's not really based on facts or evidence There's way more blind haters than loyal defenders. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, johnnysd said: There's way more blind haters than loyal defenders. Can you define what qualifies one as a "blind hater"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, bitonti said: I keep coming back to the week 18 vs Buffalo Yes everyone was injured. Yes it was windy But there's no excuse for an offense on 2021 nfl picking up only 53 net yards in a game It’s was the worst offensive output in Jets franchise history Think about that Worse than any kotite team worse than any Adam gase team. Worse than the expansion Titans in 1962. The rules have changed so much to protect the offense over time. Zach wilson may or may not be be good this year but he has this group of loyal defenders who want to believe, so they do It's not really based on facts or evidence It's based on optimism. And I guess that gets people through the day. Ok, now do the one where you see the good possibilities, you know, the positives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: It's really hard to take "analysis" from Jets-centric sources seriously on stuff like this. They're feeding an audience what it wants to hear. I think that most of the people who watch this content understand this. A slight majority 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 My favorite one is when he protects the receiver by bouncing the ball at his feet. I guess maybe there was some positives from the first half of the season! Those guys were well protected. He couldn't have that ball better if he walked up and handed it to the receiver ('s ankles?). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, johnnysd said: We shouldn't be putting him into Canton just yet but the ones that only see the negative in Zach and remind us in every thread really hamper the joy of coming here to talk Jets. He's our QB, likely for a very long time. I feel bad for them. They can't fully enjoy any success to come. It's emotionally impossible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 50 minutes ago, shuler82 said: Wilson was bad last year. Really bad. If he suited up in any other uniform we'd be laughing at him. So very much this. Cognitive dissonance is just a thing on forums like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted May 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Warfish said: The "eye test" doesn't lie, but analytics and statistics do. Got it. Did you watch the video? I know you like to base the large majority of your positions on straight up statistics, but this video highlighted some of the issues Zach was still facing at the end of the season with drops and tackles at the one yard line. Hard to compile numbers when Davis, Coles, and Tarik Black(?!?) are dropping your well thrown passes. The Jets organization was a mitigating factor last year. The entire team was terrible out of the gate, and Zach was terrible right along with them. Second half, Zach was better, but his receiving corps, and eventually his OL, were decimated. Listen, he needs to be a lot better. A lot of pressure on him and I think there’s even more on the coaches after JD pretty much nailed this entire offseason. We’ll hear about those unconsummated trade attempts at WR if your guy, GW, is slow out of the gate, but this offense has a ton of talent right now. This is what we wanted, Zach shouldn’t have the same excuses (read: some legit reasons) available that he had last year. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 This is the same crowd telling me we needed to give Sam 3 years. I really hope for our sake Wilson is good in 22 but let’s not get it confused. He was AWFUL last year for the number 2 pick of the draft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: I feel bad for them. They can't fully enjoy any success to come. It's emotionally impossible. Look guys, we got ourselves Dr. Sigmund Fraud here. Dime-store psychoanalysis at it's most banal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Warfish said: The "eye test" doesn't lie, but analytics and statistics do. Got it. I'm not saying he wasn't bad but there was definitely a difference between the beginning of the season and the end. And he was playing without Corey Davis or Elijah Moore. You don't think there was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Warfish said: Look guys, we got ourselves Dr. Sigmund Fraud here. Dime-store psychoanalysis at it's most banal. Dime-store Sigmund Freud? I thought @Gastineau Lives was a dime-store Lawrence Olivier? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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