Jets wrongfully accused of offering the most lucrative contract in the 2022 Draft

[jetstream23]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

How is a guy named “Facts” wrong on every take? 

Ha!  You can say that again!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can say that again!

[Bronx]

Which one of you accountants can I hire for my business?

[jetsons]

12 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

How is a guy named “Facts” wrong on every take? 

Just like these guys... "fact checkers"

[Fantasy Island]

11 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Which one of you accountants can I hire for my business?

[PFSIKH]

The Patriot delegation has one word for you:  cheaters.

CBS quotes Rich Cimini and as much as you crap on him.  

[WestCoastMole]

18 hours ago, IndianaJet said:

CBS got their info from a Rich Cimini tweet which is wrong.  
 

Spotrac and OTC pull their info from what is submitted into the league. 

I'm willing to bet the Cimini Numbers are closer to what Gardner and his Agent were actually offered. Forces within the League found out about it and jumped on the Jets' Head forcing a renegotiation of sorts. Notice that Gardner's Signing Bonus, which is also the highest for this draft, did not change. So Gardner will have to give up some money in the form of Base Salary for the first 4 Years of the contract. Those are the numbers the Jets submitted to the League Office. Come the 2025-2026 Offseason there will be a quiet restructuring of the Option Year Terms to insert the 5 Million Dollars lost back into the Option Year Base Salary. In the long run it will help Gardner as it will raise his Base Salary going forward. That will be the point from which any negotiations start.

[WestCoastMole]

BTW

The title of this thread is not the one I assigned to it.

It was modified.

[BeaconJet]

3 minutes ago, PFSIKH said:

The Patriot delegation has one word for you:  cheaters.

CBS quotes Rich Cimini and as much as you crap on him.  

Huh? Spotrac and OTC are in lock step with the correct number, pulled right from the league contract filings. 

https://overthecap.com/player/ahmad-gardner/10049/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/ahmad-gardner-76850/

Cimini over-reported the numbers initially, and now CBS, and Yahoo, and all these others seem to be re-reporting his bad info, which over-reported the signing bonus by ~$3.xM, which seems to be the discrepancy.

Interestingly, Cimini reported the Jermaine Johnson contract correctly, and referenced @spotrac in his Tweet. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/jermaine-johnson-76880/

The Gardner Tweet has no such reference; in his rush to be "first" I think Rich screwed the pooch. 

 

[BeaconJet]

15 minutes ago, WestCoastMole said:

I'm willing to bet the Cimini Numbers are closer to what Gardner and his Agent were actually offered. Forces within the League found out about it and jumped on the Jets' Head forcing a renegotiation of sorts. Notice that Gardner's Signing Bonus, which is also the highest for this draft, did not change. So Gardner will have to give up some money in the form of Base Salary for the first 4 Years of the contract. Those are the numbers the Jets submitted to the League Office. Come the 2025-2026 Offseason there will be a quiet restructuring of the Option Year Terms to insert the 5 Million Dollars lost back into the Option Year Base Salary. In the long run it will help Gardner as it will raise his Base Salary going forward. That will be the point from which any negotiations start.

I'm not following... you say the signing bonus didn't change, but Cimini initially said the signing bonus was $25.3M.  Spotrac has the signing bonus as $21.5M. 

From Spotrac: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/ahmad-gardner-76850/

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Ahmad Gardner signed a 4 year, $33,450,801 contract with the New York Jets, including a $21,507,856 signing bonus, $33,450,801 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,362,700. In 2022, Gardner will earn a base salary of $705,000 and a signing bonus of $21,507,856, while carrying a cap hit of $6,081,964 and a dead cap value of $33,450,802.

 

[WestCoastMole]

20 minutes ago, BeaconJet said:

Huh? Spotrac and OTC are in lock step with the correct number, pulled right from the league contract filings. 

https://overthecap.com/player/ahmad-gardner/10049/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/ahmad-gardner-76850/

Cimini over-reported the numbers initially, and now CBS, and Yahoo, and all these others seem to be re-reporting his bad info, which over-reported the signing bonus by ~$3.xM, which seems to be the discrepancy.

Interestingly, Cimini reported the Jermaine Johnson contract correctly, and referenced @spotrac in his Tweet. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/jermaine-johnson-76880/

The Gardner Tweet has no such reference; in his rush to be "first" I think Rich screwed the pooch. 

 

Sportrac and OTC get their numbers from the League Office.

Cimini's twitter tweet regarding Gardner's Contract was published before the League released its figures.

Indiana Jet made two allegation without supplying hard evidence to support them.

1) CBS NFL obtained its numbers on the Ahmad Gardner Contract from Rich Cimini

2) Rich Cimini's numbers on the Ahmad Gardner contract are "over reported"

Cimini has not disclosed where he received the information on the Ahmad Gardner contract. Nor has CBS NFL disclosed where they got their figures on the Gardner Contract.

[PFSIKH]

1 hour ago, BeaconJet said:

Huh? Spotrac and OTC are in lock step with the correct number, pulled right from the league contract filings. 

https://overthecap.com/player/ahmad-gardner/10049/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/ahmad-gardner-76850/

Cimini over-reported the numbers initially, and now CBS, and Yahoo, and all these others seem to be re-reporting his bad info, which over-reported the signing bonus by ~$3.xM, which seems to be the discrepancy.

Interestingly, Cimini reported the Jermaine Johnson contract correctly, and referenced @spotrac in his Tweet. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/jermaine-johnson-76880/

The Gardner Tweet has no such reference; in his rush to be "first" I think Rich screwed the pooch. 

 

Dude, I am just yanking your chain, but if a team was going to find a loophole.  You know the Jets would.  Par$ells and the Jets did the Patriots' dirty with Curtis Martin way back in the day.  

[Larz]

15 minutes ago, PFSIKH said:

Dude, I am just yanking your chain, but if a team was going to find a loophole.  You know the Jets would.  Par$ells and the Jets did the Patriots' dirty with Curtis Martin way back in the day.  

You been in a coma?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/espn-report-patriots-spygate-scandal-2015-9?amp

 

 

The report details Spygate as we've never heard it, painting a picture of systematic cheating that went way further and looks way worse for the Patriots than people previously realized.

First, the Patriots had a detailed, efficient system for finding out opponents' plays. ESPN's Don Van Natta Jr. and Seth Wickersham describe a scene in Patriots coach Bill Belichick's office before a season-opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

"[A backup quarterback named John] Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs' signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell [offensive coordinator Charlie] Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe."

 

[PFSIKH]

16 hours ago, Larz said:

You been in a coma?

https://www.businessinsider.com/espn-report-patriots-spygate-scandal-2015-9?amp

The report details Spygate as we've never heard it, painting a picture of systematic cheating that went way further and looks way worse for the Patriots than people previously realized.

First, the Patriots had a detailed, efficient system for finding out opponents' plays. ESPN's Don Van Natta Jr. and Seth Wickersham describe a scene in Patriots coach Bill Belichick's office before a season-opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

"[A backup quarterback named John] Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs' signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell [offensive coordinator Charlie] Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe."

 

Meh.  The biggest takeaway I get from this and the actual Seth Wickersham article.  The Patriots did not use the signals in the same game as many Jets' fans argued years ago.  Acknowledgment that teams try to exploit the signal calling.   

[Larz]

1 hour ago, PFSIKH said:

Meh.  The biggest takeaway I get from this and the actual Seth Wickersham article.  The Patriots did not use the signals in the same game as many Jets' fans argued years ago.  Acknowledgment that teams try to exploit the signal calling.   

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On 5/16/2022 at 7:42 PM, WestCoastMole said:

The Jets signed Sauce Gardner to the most lucrative contract in the 2022 NFL Draft. 38.7 Million in Total Guaranteed Money and 25.3 Million in signing bonus tops both categories. The Runner-up in both categories is number 1 Draft pick Travon Walker at 37.37 Million in total guarantee money and 24.3 million in signing.

You can't accuse the Jets of being cheap. I'll bet there are a few GMs that are miffed at the Jets right about now.

I call it the "Derrele Revis effect".   When you believe you have the best cornerback, you take good care of him, so that he doesn't sit out of camp and demand more money.  The Jets learned a thing or two from the difficulties that they had with Revis, and perhaps they don't want to repeat them.  Now it will be up to Sauce to show the Jets that they did the right thing.