HawkeyeJet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Unathletic? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 24 7 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 If you listened to what other teams said after the draft, nobody viewed Jermaine Johnson as a 1st round prospect, let alone a top 10 talent like Joe Douglas said. The leaked Cowboys draft didn't give Johnson as a 1st round grade. Bills GM said Johnson didn't have a 1st round grade. The media consistently said this draft didn't have a lot of elite talent and there were only about 16 prospects in the 22 draft worthy of a 1st round grade. If that is true, it's unlikely a pass rusher with a 1st round grade drops that far. Several pass rush needy teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, Packers, Band Titans passed on taking him. Maybe it was just GM talk when Douglas praised Johnson, because if it wasn't, the rest of the NFL did not see what Douglas saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 On 5/17/2022 at 2:10 PM, greenwichjetfan said: The bolded two items are opposites, yet they are being used to describe the same person just one sentence apart. I'm confused. You are confused. By "opportunistic hustler" he means "he hustles constantly and therefore is able to take advantage of opportunities when they come up, but his stats don't derive from dominant skills overwhelming opponents" It's a dumb take (hustle is a skill, actually, as is the ability to take advantage of opportunities), but a consistent one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 The guy is a “former scout” for a reason. Joe Douglas is the GM for a reason. Saleh and staff worked with Johnson personally at the Senior Bowl, maybe they saw traits that will work well with their system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dcat Posted May 22 Popular Post Share Posted May 22 On 5/17/2022 at 12:51 PM, Dcronin said: https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/former-new-york-jets-scout-explains-jermaine-johnson-first-round-pick-mistake-2022-nfl-draft Ex-Jets Scout Explains Why New York Made a Mistake Drafting Jermaine Johnson This former Jets scout thinks Johnson will struggle at the next level, saying he's disappointed in GM Joe Douglas for trading up to pick him in the first round. DANIEL KELLY 22 HOURS AGO The Jets really helped themselves with the selection of Ahmad Gardner and Garrett Wilson in the first round of the recent NFL draft. However, New York reached—I mean they really reached—on the Jermaine Johnson pick at No. 26 overall. New York traded back up into the first-round to select the FSU edge rusher, and as a former Jets’ scout, I was super disappointed. Nothing against Johnson, but shame on the Jets’ scouting department and shame on team General Manager Joe Douglas. I’m sorry, but I am not a part of this media hype machine. I am an evaluator and when someone gets whipped on game film against Wake Forest, excuse me for not getting excited. Pre-draft, I had put a fifth-round grade on Johnson. Who am I? I am the guy who told anyone who would listen, defensive end Dorian Boose was an undraftable reject in my interview with the Jets. Boose was New York’s top draft choice that year, and he went on to become a bust. I know what I am seeing on game film and Johnson is not the answer as a pass rusher for the New York Jets. Bottom line, Johnson is an opportunistic hustler who does not have the athletic ability nor the needed skill set to create pressure. He looked downright soft coming off the edge most of the time against college level competition, which does not bold well for Johnson now going up against far more talented personnel in the NFL. There was nothing on Johnson’s game film that remotely suggested he was an elite first-round pass rusher. If anything, Johnson is far better against the run. However, that is not going to win anything for the Jets in today’s pass happy league. This is not our Grandpa’s three-yards and a cloud of dust NFL anymore. Johnson will struggle getting to the quarterback for a lot of reasons. Former Jets Scout Explains Why Drafting Jermaine Johnson Was a Mistake This ex-NFL scout thinks Jets EDGE Jermaine Johnson will struggle at the next level, saying New York's selection of the pass rusher in the first round will be costly down the road. Grading Jermaine Johnson Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports 6-foot-5, 262 pounds 2021 game film reviewed: Notre Dame, Miami, North Carolina and Wake Forest Grade: D (below average) Scouting Report Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports Opportunistic hustler with good hand usage, but average football playing speed, average burst into the pocket and he is stiff. Flip flops from left to right side and can play with his hand in the dirt or standing up. Fights and gives top effort at all times and makes his plays as a direct result of that. He either ends up at the right place at the right time or when left clean to make garbage sacks. Battles and uses his hands rushing the passer, but shows no pop or explosiveness at the point of attack. Gets hung out to dry on the perimeter of the pocket often. Flashed spin move literally once in four games. Raw pass rusher with limited pass rush tools and arsenal of moves. No frills. Lacks top shelf football speed needed to win and has average bull rush power that gets curtailed by college level offensive linemen most of the time. Often stalemated on inside stunts and games. Struggled to make sudden adjustments in the pocket due to noticeable hip rigidity. Best when he is left clean or when the QB makes himself available to him by stepping up or rolling out to his side and he can easily move in. Highly competitive against the run. Not afraid to bang around and get in on the stop if at all possible. Solid wrapping tackler and a hard hitter. Struggled to disengage if seriously contested. Only really a factor once the action reaches his level. Classic try-hard who was grossly overvalued and over-graded. Bottom Line Anne-Marie Caruso/NorthJersey.com / USA TODAY NETWORK Douglas needed to get someone in here that can get to the QB, and he failed to do so with this pick. He failed to select a defender in the first-round who can win the edge. I am putting it out there in plain English before the first snap of the regular season. There were a plethora of edge rushing prospects who showed they can wreck the pocket on their college game film still on the board when Douglas reached for Johnson (Cameron Thomas, Nik Bonitto, Myjai Sanders and Arnold Ebiketie). Interior pass rushing demons Devante Wyatt and Logan Hall were still sitting there too. It is not good, especially considering all the prolific passers that are littered all over the Jets’ schedule this season. The selection of Johnson will prove to be very costly to the Jets and Douglas’ tenure with New York when we look back. If you need to go back 25 years to Dorian Boose to prove your credentials then you don't have any. 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 55 minutes ago, Dcat said: If you need to go back 25 years to Dorian Boose to prove your credentials then you don't have any. Wonder what he thought of Ogbogu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Jermaine ‘Superfly’ Johnson is going to be the best edge in this draft after all is said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I don’t get this he licks into sacks etc. What I like about him is his motor and hustle. A Defensive line is made up of 4 people working in tandem. You need hustlers high motor guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/18/2022 at 1:45 PM, Buffalo 24 7 said: The leaked Cowboys draft didn't give Johnson as a 1st round grade. Bills GM said Johnson didn't have a 1st round grade. He was 28 on the Cowboys board, which is a first round grade and two spots from where the Jets took him. Show me where the Bills GM said that. I’m betting you can’t. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Not every system likes the same players either. I’m not impressed by the draft media and draft fan media who try to make a name by calling out busts. Call out the stars and get a track record of that. That’s what teams want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BurntDice Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 On 5/18/2022 at 1:45 PM, Buffalo 24 7 said: If you listened to what other teams said after the draft, nobody viewed Jermaine Johnson as a 1st round prospect, let alone a top 10 talent like Joe Douglas said. The leaked Cowboys draft didn't give Johnson as a 1st round grade. Bills GM said Johnson didn't have a 1st round grade. The media consistently said this draft didn't have a lot of elite talent and there were only about 16 prospects in the 22 draft worthy of a 1st round grade. If that is true, it's unlikely a pass rusher with a 1st round grade drops that far. Several pass rush needy teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, Packers, Band Titans passed on taking him. Maybe it was just GM talk when Douglas praised Johnson, because if it wasn't, the rest of the NFL did not see what Douglas saw. Didn’t the bills hire the jets scout who loved Johnson to be their head of scouting? 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/18/2022 at 1:45 PM, Buffalo 24 7 said: If you listened to what other teams said after the draft, nobody viewed Jermaine Johnson as a 1st round prospect, let alone a top 10 talent like Joe Douglas said. The leaked Cowboys draft didn't give Johnson as a 1st round grade. Bills GM said Johnson didn't have a 1st round grade. The media consistently said this draft didn't have a lot of elite talent and there were only about 16 prospects in the 22 draft worthy of a 1st round grade. If that is true, it's unlikely a pass rusher with a 1st round grade drops that far. Several pass rush needy teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, Packers, Band Titans passed on taking him. Maybe it was just GM talk when Douglas praised Johnson, because if it wasn't, the rest of the NFL did not see what Douglas saw. Most drafts have about 16 guys with a first round grade. Please don’t act like your teaching us anything lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 25 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Didn’t the bills hire the jets scout who loved Johnson to be their head of scouting? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 29 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Didn’t the bills hire the jets scout who loved Johnson to be their head of scouting? yes they did. /end thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maxman Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 On 5/18/2022 at 1:45 PM, Buffalo 24 7 said: If you listened to what other teams said after the draft, nobody viewed Jermaine Johnson as a 1st round prospect, let alone a top 10 talent like Joe Douglas said. The leaked Cowboys draft didn't give Johnson as a 1st round grade. Bills GM said Johnson didn't have a 1st round grade. The media consistently said this draft didn't have a lot of elite talent and there were only about 16 prospects in the 22 draft worthy of a 1st round grade. If that is true, it's unlikely a pass rusher with a 1st round grade drops that far. Several pass rush needy teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, Packers, Band Titans passed on taking him. Maybe it was just GM talk when Douglas praised Johnson, because if it wasn't, the rest of the NFL did not see what Douglas saw. I talked to Jermaine at the draft, right after he was selected. He told me he was going to be good. I'm going with that. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Jeremiah had him top 10 and he is pretty hooked into scouts around the league. Chandler Jones "Many teams will regret not getting Jermaine Johnson that kid is gunna be goooood!" McShay had him top 15 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 On 5/18/2022 at 1:45 PM, Buffalo 24 7 said: If you listened to what other teams said after the draft, nobody viewed Jermaine Johnson as a 1st round prospect, let alone a top 10 talent like Joe Douglas said. The leaked Cowboys draft didn't give Johnson as a 1st round grade. Bills GM said Johnson didn't have a 1st round grade. The media consistently said this draft didn't have a lot of elite talent and there were only about 16 prospects in the 22 draft worthy of a 1st round grade. If that is true, it's unlikely a pass rusher with a 1st round grade drops that far. Several pass rush needy teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, Packers, Band Titans passed on taking him. Maybe it was just GM talk when Douglas praised Johnson, because if it wasn't, the rest of the NFL did not see what Douglas saw. Literally nothing you said was true, never-mind the the fact that, as someone else already said, your team just hired the guy responsible for scouting Jermaine to be your head of scouting. Being this confidently wrong is actually kind of impressive. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackExchangeNYJ Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Amazing that I saw the headline read "former scout" and knew who it was before I saw the article. I think I counted 7 self-references to him being a former scout in his own piece. How does this guy still have a place that will publish his self-promotion? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/18/2022 at 1:45 PM, Buffalo 24 7 said: If you listened to what other teams said after the draft, nobody viewed Jermaine Johnson as a 1st round prospect, let alone a top 10 talent like Joe Douglas said. The leaked Cowboys draft didn't give Johnson as a 1st round grade. Bills GM said Johnson didn't have a 1st round grade. The media consistently said this draft didn't have a lot of elite talent and there were only about 16 prospects in the 22 draft worthy of a 1st round grade. If that is true, it's unlikely a pass rusher with a 1st round grade drops that far. Several pass rush needy teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, Packers, Band Titans passed on taking him. Maybe it was just GM talk when Douglas praised Johnson, because if it wasn't, the rest of the NFL did not see what Douglas saw. Help us with the math that makes the Cowboys and Bills = the rest of the NFL As for the media, two former players who work in the media rated JJ as the top EDGE in the draft so there's that if you care. Kills you I bet though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Let's revisit this topic in 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 In light of the fact that he is a "former scout", why not attach a name to this masterful prediction? I know exactly who he is. This is the brilliant mind that told us that Blair Thomas and Vernon Gholston were the "Can't miss" prospects. I'd listen very carefully to his opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Please allow me to chime in as I actually came on the board today to bring up this exact topic. Daniel Kelly = Total Tool !!!!! All this clown did was bash everything and everybody. Although he did name drop Parcells a few times, and actually had the audacity to say that Woody Johnson calls him and asks him for advice!? Laughable!! The guy was about as informative and entertaining as wearing a pair of wet socks~ Seriously he said JD hasn't addressed the offensive line? Zach isn't the guy and the only reason we drafted him was because we use JetBlue to travel? He said Woody told JD to draft Zach!? Worst podcast I ever saw and I'm not joking. I actually said out loud I can't watch this anymore ...and I was alone in my house! Props to Richie Jets Media, the guys from XFactor, Green Boy, Matt O'Leary, and Ryan @bla bla bla 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 13 hours ago, SackExchangeNYJ said: Amazing that I saw the headline read "former scout" and knew who it was before I saw the article. I think I counted 7 self-references to him being a former scout in his own piece. How does this guy still have a place that will publish his self-promotion? If spouting sh*t on the internet is publishing, I guess I too am a highly published author. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I liked it better when they refer to him as "Sports Illustrated writer..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 24 7 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 20 hours ago, BroadwayRay said: He was 28 on the Cowboys board, which is a first round grade and two spots from where the Jets took him. Show me where the Bills GM said that. I’m betting you can’t. On that same sheet, the Cowboys said they only had 16 first round grades. Bills GM said Kaiir Elam was the last 1st rounder on their board, and Johnson was still available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjet Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Daniel Kelly was a former jets scout under parcels. He got fired by the Jets and has a huge anti Jet agenda, check his twitter feed. The guy is a hater. Hates Zach. Likes fields better. He’s full of sh*t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcronin Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 All I asked was "Anyone see this?" CUT TO: 130 livid, foaming at the mouth replies. LOL. The defensiveness here makes me think he has a point! I don't know. Maybe he IS a moron. But film don't lie. What did YOU see in those games he references? The exact opposite of what he saw? Whoever said we have no idea who will pan out and who won't is right. We'll wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 On 5/23/2022 at 6:34 PM, Buffalo 24 7 said: Bills GM said Kaiir Elam was the last 1st rounder on their board, and Johnson was still available. You mean the same Kaiir Elam who was ranked 28 on the Dallas board? I guess no one else saw the first-round grade for Elam that the Bills GM saw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 wow he was right about dorian boose......i wonder what his take on clarence childs was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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