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Popular Post Warfish Posted May 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2022 https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232 Dropped Passes by Team. Jets were tied for 4th worst, with 25 total. Max was 33 (Chargers). Fewest was 9 (Seahawks). Avg. for all NFL teams was 19.6 drops. The variance for the Jets QB's (Zach, White and Flacco) was 5.4 more drops than League Average over the 17 game season. To give a frame of reference, the Jets attempted 603 passes in 2021. We completed 357. For a team Comp. % of 59.2%. Had the Jets had the average # of drops for 2021, our Comp. % would have been 60.0%. 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jNYC1 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 47 minutes ago, Warfish said: https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232 Dropped Passes by Team. Jets were tied for 4th worst, with 25 total. Max was 33 (Chargers). Fewest was 9 (Seahawks). Avg. for all NFL teams was 19.6 drops. The variance for the Jets QB's (Zach, White and Flacco) was 5.4 more drops than League Average over the 17 game season. To give a frame of reference, the Jets attempted 603 passes in 2021. We completed 357. For a team Comp. % of 59.2%. Had the Jets had the average # of drops for 2021, our Comp. % would have been 60.0%. Context!! Of course many will argue that those drops prevented the offense from continuing possessions… which if continued, would have allowed the QB to complete more passes with a higher completion percentage than they did in the rest of a season’s worth of sample size (ie total passes completed). We had “way” more drops than average but it’s hard to imagine Zach’s completion percentage or expected completion percentage being dramatically different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Bronx said: @T0mShane 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, jNYC1 said: Context!! Of course many will argue that those drops prevented the offense from continuing possessions… which if continued, would have allowed the QB to complete more passes with a higher completion percentage than they did in the rest of a season’s worth of sample size (ie total passes completed). We had “way” more drops than average but it’s hard to imagine Zach’s completion percentage or expected completion percentage being dramatically different. To give a frame of reference, the Jets attempted 603 passes in 2021. We completed 357. For a team Comp. % of 59.2%. Had the Jets had the average # of drops for 2021, our comp. % would have been 60.0%. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 37 minutes ago, T0mShane said: How? Because 11. That’s how. **** outta here with this sh*t already. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jNYC1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Larz said: To give a frame of reference, the Jets attempted 603 passes in 2021. We completed 357. For a team Comp. % of 59.2%. Had the Jets had the average # of drops for 2021, our comp. % would have been 60.0%. Completely agree. IMHO - The drops narrative is over blown… to provide some with comfort that Zach actually played better than he actually did in 2021, and his teammates let him down. More often, Zach let his skill positions down. The Elijah stats are a great example…. Even when adjusting for drops, Zach completion percentage was putrid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: Lol what does this have to do with the topic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jNYC1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just checked PFF adjusted completion percentage metric. Zach ranked 35th out of 39 QBs (of QBs that had at least 20% of dropbacks) Zach ranked 30th out of 30 QBs (of QBs that had at least 50% of dropbacks) For reference: Adjusted completion percentage takes into account factors outside of the quarterback's control in terms of completing passes. It accounts for dropped passes, passes thrown away, spiked balls, passes batted at the line of scrimmage and those passes in which a quarterback was hit as he threw After accounting for drops (and other factors), Zach was still near the bottom in adjusted completion percentage. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jNYC1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I’ll add that I believe Zach will be much more accurate in 2022. Drops do not explain Zach’s poor completion percentage and poor performance in 2021. Obviously drops didn’t help, but when drops are accounted for, Zach still had one of lowest completion percentages in the league. Drops narrative is overblown but will be great if we return to average or better in this category. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Damn. This Zach guy played like a rookie! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 It doesn't help when you watch the season drop tape compilation and realize that a good chunk of that came from ZW rifling balls at 60 mph to wide open receivers 6 feet away. I remember that Favre used to have this issue with a lot of his receivers, and he was definitely guilty of some of the same things. To be fair, its not all on ZW. Corey Davis in particular had a bad case of not coming down with the ball and there were a number of bad game altering drops last season that they simply have to get better on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastmover Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Warfish said: https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232 Dropped Passes by Team. Jets were tied for 4th worst, with 25 total. Max was 33 (Chargers). Fewest was 9 (Seahawks). Avg. for all NFL teams was 19.6 drops. The variance for the Jets QB's (Zach, White and Flacco) was 5.4 more drops than League Average over the 17 game season. To give a frame of reference, the Jets attempted 603 passes in 2021. We completed 357. For a team Comp. % of 59.2%. Had the Jets had the average # of drops for 2021, our Comp. % would have been 60.0%. I think the PFF post is referring to QB’s alone and not team drops. either way, your points are valid. Semper Fi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jNYC1 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, thebuzzardman said: Damn. This Zach guy played like a rookie! He definitely played like a rookie. Unfortunately, he played like a bad rookie... I think it will get better but he played poorly as rookie QB (several of the touted rookie QBs had abysmal seasons so he's not alone...) Reminds me of Darnold, Rosen, Baker. Baker played the best but Darnold and Rosen played poorly as Top 15 picks. The tough thing is that in the last 10 years, most rookie QB starters who turned out to be FQBs or Average QBs, actually played better as rookies than Darnold or Zach... Josh Allen is the one exception... (and potentially Goff). Prescott, Watson, Herbert, Burrow (terrible line, no Chase), Murray (terrible AZ team), Newton, Luck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Forget all the analytics and the rest of the statistics I just go by what my eyes tell me and anyone should be able to see that Zach was abysmal save for a few plays here and there in his starts prior to injury. When he came back he showed improvement even with less than stellar receivers. With more talent on the offensive side all we can do is hope that Zach continues improving which I think he will 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I seen some of the drops PFF were attributing to us last year. That wild miss in the end zone against Philly were Zach needlessly threw it 2 yards behind Moore was classified as a drop because he managed to get a hand to it. He leads this stat for a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 3 hours ago, CSNY said: Forget all the analytics and the rest of the statistics I just go by what my eyes tell me and anyone should be able to see that Zach was abysmal save for a few plays here and there in his starts prior to injury. When he came back he showed improvement even with less than stellar receivers. With more talent on the offensive side all we can do is hope that Zach continues improving which I think he will It was brutal at times, but there definitely improvement. I loved that he cut the picks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 5 hours ago, jNYC1 said: He definitely played like a rookie. Unfortunately, he played like a bad rookie... I think it will get better but he played poorly as rookie QB (several of the touted rookie QBs had abysmal seasons so he's not alone...) Reminds me of Darnold, Rosen, Baker. Baker played the best but Darnold and Rosen played poorly as Top 15 picks. The tough thing is that in the last 10 years, most rookie QB starters who turned out to be FQBs or Average QBs, actually played better as rookies than Darnold or Zach... Josh Allen is the one exception... (and potentially Goff). Prescott, Watson, Herbert, Burrow (terrible line, no Chase), Murray (terrible AZ team), Newton, Luck... Yup. He sucks. Never will improve, not one bit. Worst pick ever. Jets need to tank the season for a franchise QB. Shame they drafted a few decent guys who will hurt draft position. Hopefully Zach will save them and lead them to all the losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Mostly because his throws were terrible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 13 hours ago, Irish Jet said: I seen some of the drops PFF were attributing to us last year. That wild miss in the end zone against Philly were Zach needlessly threw it 2 yards behind Moore was classified as a drop because he managed to get a hand to it. He leads this stat for a reason. They also did not count some that I think were drops a good receiver should make. I watched lots of Playoff games and guys were making all sorts of plays and catches we did not see all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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