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I don't think anyone wants Zach to fail outside of a select few (we all know who you are).

I think there's this collective "pile on" where everyone is parroting and trying to one up each other's jokes.  

Sheepeople think. 

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2 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Nonsense.

There are days posters enjoy the hell out of pounding their chest and saying “I was right HE SUCKS.”   Whoop d doo.   You could go to the casino and tell everyone at the roulette table, “it won’t be 12 this time,” then puff your chest afterwards.   And you’d be taking a more risky stand than  betting against a Jets QB.

But I think they’d love to be wrong and see Zach succeed.  

But only after a long time if all doubt was removed.   I think it would take a couple of Super Bowls for some.   Because now they just want everyone else to see “Zach sucks” and the positives annoy them, because they think it’s slowing the inevitable failure.  

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4 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

There are days posters enjoy the hell out of pounding their chest and saying “I was right HE SUCKS.”   Whoop d doo.   You could go to the casino and tell everyone at the roulette table, “it won’t be 12 this time,” then puff your chest afterwards.   And you’d be taking a more risky stand than  betting against a Jets QB.

But I think they’d love to be wrong and see Zach succeed.  

But only after a long time if all doubt was removed.   I think it would take a couple of Super Bowls for some.   Because now they just want everyone else to see “Zach sucks” and the positives annoy them, because they think it’s slowing the inevitable failure.  

the Jets haven't won a division game in 3 years - please let's not go crazy imagining "multiple super bowl wins" 

I've never been a fan of the ZW pick but I'd rather he prove me wrong 100x times than be right that he sucks. 

 

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I think more than accuracy the issue is Zach holding onto the ball too long. Its better to throw a ball at the ground, or away if you have nothing. Stop waiting for guys to get open for 5 seconds so you can blast the ball away. The scheme is what will give him those plays. Let the running team do their job and set up the deep passing game. Take what comes. If hes inaccurate he will never be a superstar but he also wont kill the team.

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24 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

There are days posters enjoy the hell out of pounding their chest and saying “I was right HE SUCKS.”   Whoop d doo.   You could go to the casino and tell everyone at the roulette table, “it won’t be 12 this time,” then puff your chest afterwards.   And you’d be taking a more risky stand than  betting against a Jets QB.

But I think they’d love to be wrong and see Zach succeed.  

But only after a long time if all doubt was removed.   I think it would take a couple of Super Bowls for some.   Because now they just want everyone else to see “Zach sucks” and the positives annoy them, because they think it’s slowing the inevitable failure.  

I'll be honest.  I can't really put my finger on it.  But something about Wilson has just always seemed off-putting to me.  I don't know what it is. 

For whatever reason, he's not the kind of player I find it easy to root for. 

Maybe part of it is a lack of humility when you basically haven't accomplished anything in the league yet.  Like the weird cockiness of doing the 1st down signal every time you scramble for a few yards, or high-stepping into the end zone even if your team is getting blasted on the scoreboard.

But yeah, I'm more concerned about the Jets winning games.  And in order for that to happen, Wilson has to be play better than he's played to this point.  So let him go out and prove the doubters wrong.  It's up to him.  He can shut everybody up by delivering on the field.

I've never been a "Wilson guy" but it's not like if he busts, I will receive a direct deposit to my bank account.  I mean it doesn't benefit me in any tangible or meaningful way if I was right and Wilson indeed sucks.

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16 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

I.  Most of us hope Zach will become great even though deep down they're guarded because the odds are stacked against us.  

I am not sure that is true. First Zach despite the low grades some had here was regarded as an elite prospect pretty much universally and higher than Sam. Second unlike Sam the Jets HAVE surrounded Zach with talent. Third Zach has the same coaches and system for his second year which is huge.

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38 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the Jets haven't won a division game in 3 years - please let's not go crazy imagining "multiple super bowl wins" 

I've never been a fan of the ZW pick but I'd rather he prove me wrong 100x times than be right that he sucks. 

 

Let’s not go crazy with putting things in my mouth.   I’m saying Zach’s got some skeptics who will be very difficult to win over.  His most skeptical would probably need 2 Super Bowls, because they would say the 1st had nothing to do with him.  

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45 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the Jets haven't won a division game in 3 years - please let's not go crazy imagining "multiple super bowl wins" 

I've never been a fan of the ZW pick but I'd rather he prove me wrong 100x times than be right that he sucks. 

 

So you are either right about Wilson sucking or you are happy the Jets are good? Sounds about right. Nice to snuggly put yourself in a position to pound your chest no matter the outcome. 

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3 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Nonsense.

When it doubt, go after the man not the argument. Welcome to the online generation when “you have an agenda!” means never having to formulate a counterpoint.

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1 hour ago, bitonti said:

the Jets haven't won a division game in 3 years - please let's not go crazy imagining "multiple super bowl wins" 

I've never been a fan of the ZW pick but I'd rather he prove me wrong 100x times than be right that he sucks. 

 

Please consider this my annual reminder about you and Dewayne Robertson. 

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31 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

So you are either right about Wilson sucking or you are happy the Jets are good? Sounds about right. Nice to snuggly put yourself in a position to pound your chest no matter the outcome. 

Trust me when I tell you that no one is doubling back around to say "hey Bitonti, you were right."

My recent rants have never been about what I want to have happen, it's about what is actually happening. 

12 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Please consider this my annual reminder about you and Dewayne Robertson. 

It's because of drob that I know having faith in a Jets draft pick, coach, General manager or owner is dumb. Thanks for the annual reminder that hope is stupid 

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5 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I am pretty confident there are people here that would rather see Wilson fail than the Jets win. 

 

 

3 hours ago, section314 said:

It's true, and it just completely baffles me. You would rather be right in your own reasons for disliking a guy or thinking he's not good than actually see him and the team do well. Sadly, it's a reflection of our society in the country for awhile now......we seem to get off on seeing people fail. It's very sad, and actually pretty creepy.

Do either of you have even a shred of evidence of this?

Many of us were told this about Chad.  Then we were told it about Sanchez.  Then we were told this about Darnold.  Now, we're being told this about Wilson.  And with Wilson, I don't think anyone has completely shut the door on him as of yet.

Still, maybe, just maybe, on this opinion website, there are people who share a negative opinion of the QB because that's what they feel when they see him play.  I mean, those people have been right every step of the way, so why do you get to say what they actually want, when we've never seen anyone express the position you're ascribing to them - disappointment and embarrassment that they were wrong about a QB?

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40 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

Let’s not go crazy with putting things in my mouth.   I’m saying Zach’s got some skeptics who will be very difficult to win over.  His most skeptical would probably need 2 Super Bowls, because they would say the 1st had nothing to do with him.  

If by some miracle ZW wins a super bowl as qb of the NYJ he won't have to win a second to be an eternal legend in this town 

That's like victim martyr talk. No one is persecuting Zach. 

He's not victim of unfair expectations. It's the NFL. 

the 2 overall pick comes with a 20 plus million dollar signing bonus and huge expectations. Asking for decent (above 60 percent passing) and a couple of division wins is an incredibly low bar. 

 

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1 hour ago, Hal N of Provo said:

There are days posters enjoy the hell out of pounding their chest and saying “I was right HE SUCKS.”   Whoop d doo.   You could go to the casino and tell everyone at the roulette table, “it won’t be 12 this time,” then puff your chest afterwards.   And you’d be taking a more risky stand than  betting against a Jets QB.

But I think they’d love to be wrong and see Zach succeed.  

But only after a long time if all doubt was removed.   I think it would take a couple of Super Bowls for some.   Because now they just want everyone else to see “Zach sucks” and the positives annoy them, because they think it’s slowing the inevitable failure.  

You were doing so well up until that last paragraph.

Almost everyone on this website rallied around Ryan Fitzpatrick, and he was merely adequate.

It would only take slightly above average for the majority of the fanbase to put the guy in he HOF.  Hell, Sam Darnold played reasonably well in a loss to Green Bay, and that game was used as an example of how he was just waiting to be elite for 2 more seasons.  The problem is, we haven't just had bad, we've had worst in the league bad.  Sanchez was exactly that.  Darnold was exactly that.  Pennington was not that, but he was so injury prone, and so physically limited, that enough of us knew there was no way he'd ever get it done.

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1 hour ago, Hal N of Provo said:

There are days posters enjoy the hell out of pounding their chest and saying “I was right HE SUCKS.”  

There are a lot of arrogant posters who enjoy saying "I was right" about things they were right about (and sweeping under the rug their whiffs.)

I'm confident that virtually all of them would prefer to be wrong about our 2nd overall QB being bad, however.

Sure, there are a handful of posters who aren't really Jets fans and post here for other purposes. But they are a very small minority subset of the "Zach Wilson haters" most of whom would be thrilled for him to succeed but aren't loving what they've seen so far.

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16 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

 

Do either of you have even a shred of evidence of this?

Many of us were told this about Chad.  Then we were told it about Sanchez.  Then we were told this about Darnold.  Now, we're being told this about Wilson.  And with Wilson, I don't think anyone has completely shut the door on him as of yet.

Still, maybe, just maybe, on this opinion website, there are people who share a negative opinion of the QB because that's what they feel when they see him play.  I mean, those people have been right every step of the way, so why do you get to say what they actually want, when we've never seen anyone express the position you're ascribing to them - disappointment and embarrassment that they were wrong about a QB?

Of course there's no "evidence" but the people I'm talking about know who they are.  No one is going to come out and say they're rooting for failure

They know when they're watching games and Zach makes a good play - as much as they want to not feel that way, they find themselves happy with his mistakes.  Wether they want to feel that way or not.

If that's not you, then this isn't meant for you.

I can't express how many times I've repeated.  If you're not that person then you're not and shouldn't be offended.

I've tried to make it as clear as possible that it's not everyone and not most people.  But, I am quite confident there are a handful of people that feel exactly that way.

Can I be, surely, but I doubt it.

I have no problem with criticism, I criticize plenty.  There's a lot of not like about this team over the past decade.

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5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Of course there's no "evidence" but the people I'm talking about know who they are.  No one is going to come out and say they're rooting for failure

They know when they're watching games and Zach makes a good play - as much as they want to not feel that way, they find themselves happy with his mistakes.  Wether they want to feel that way or not.

If that's not you, then this isn't meant for you.

I can't express how many times I've repeated.  If you're not that person then you're not and shouldn't be offended.

I've tried to make it as clear as possible that it's not everyone and not most people.  But, I am quite confident there are a handful of people that feel exactly that way.

Can I be, surely, but I doubt it.

I have no problem with criticism, I criticize plenty.  There's a lot of not like about this team over the past decade.

I'm not offended.  I'm suggesting that the person you're speaking about is fictional.

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I look at it like this:

  • At times ZW had serious accuracy issues last year.  He looked very good in some games, and looked really bad most of the rest of the time.
  • We were looking forward to improvement this year. 
  • He could have completed all of his passes in OTAs, without a pass rush, etc.   That would have been good, but not really meaningful until we saw full contract 11/11, games, etc.
  • Instead, he showed some inaccuracy in OTAs.  End of the world?  No.  Meaningless?  No.  It is a negative that ZW needs to come back from.  
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1 hour ago, jgb said:

When it doubt, go after the man not the argument. Welcome to the online generation when “you have an agenda!” means never having to formulate a counterpoint.

The person who drove the whole “agenda” thing against Wilson wants us to sign Jimmy G now, I think.

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10 hours ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

Simms didn’t care, he said “all correctable” and that he had thrown 20 passes that he identified as top quality NFL throws

That for the whole year?

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5 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

I don't think anyone wants Zach to fail outside of a select few (we all know who you are).

I think there's this collective "pile on" where everyone is parroting and trying to one up each other's jokes.  

Sheepeople think. 

U take that baaaaaaaaack

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1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

You were doing so well up until that last paragraph.

Almost everyone on this website rallied around Ryan Fitzpatrick, and he was merely adequate.

It would only take slightly above average for the majority of the fanbase to put the guy in he HOF.  Hell, Sam Darnold played reasonably well in a loss to Green Bay, and that game was used as an example of how he was just waiting to be elite for 2 more seasons.  The problem is, we haven't just had bad, we've had worst in the league bad.  Sanchez was exactly that.  Darnold was exactly that.  Pennington was not that, but he was so injury prone, and so physically limited, that enough of us knew there was no way he'd ever get it done.

 

It took one f**king game of Mike White, for that matter.  Though of course not everyone "rallied around him".  That list is highly correlated with people who are Zach Wilson homers.  Weird how that works sometimes.  

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1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

You were doing so well up until that last paragraph.

Almost everyone on this website rallied around Ryan Fitzpatrick, and he was merely adequate.

It would only take slightly above average for the majority of the fanbase to put the guy in he HOF.  Hell, Sam Darnold played reasonably well in a loss to Green Bay, and that game was used as an example of how he was just waiting to be elite for 2 more seasons.  The problem is, we haven't just had bad, we've had worst in the league bad.  Sanchez was exactly that.  Darnold was exactly that.  Pennington was not that, but he was so injury prone, and so physically limited, that enough of us knew there was no way he'd ever get it done.

Pretty much. We've been so bad for so long at the position a whiff of competency has us believing "he could be the guy."

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Why is everybody arguing about whether certain people hate Zach or not? Of course there are people who dislike Zach on this board and don't think he will succeed. That doesn't mean that they don't want him to, or that they would rather be right than the Jets win or something. If they were like that, they wouldn't be on a Jets forum, because clearly they wouldn't care about the Jets enough to invest time on a board like this.

So sure, there might be Zach haters on this board. But they aren't going to be happier when he fails. And they sure aren't hoping he will.

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17 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

It took one f**king game of Mike White, for that matter.  Though of course not everyone "rallied around him".  That list is highly correlated with people who are Zach Wilson homers.  Weird how that works sometimes.  

I think Zach has a better chance of being special, while Mike has a better chance of being Alex Smith.

But, more likely than not, they both will be terrible QBs.

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I really hate the wrong headed notion that Jets fans want Zach to fail.   If he fails no doubt guys who hated the pick will say they were right.  Guess what if he does they were.

I loved the pick.  I loved the arm talent.  I also thought he sucked last year.  I find the threads talking about his improvement in the last few games and metrics based on limited statistical evidence a sign that Jets fans are so invested in him succeeding they have lost their minds.

The guy was the worst QB who got snaps last year as a rookie   He was worse than Fields and Lawrence.  They sucked last year.    He was way worse than Mills who mostly sucked but showed some signs by the end of the year.  Mac Jones was miles better than Zach last year.

I'm not bailing on Zach.  I'm hopeful he can turn into what I though he could be.  A gunslinger with a great arm and great accuracy who could take the top of a D and let the running game move us up and down the field.   A smart hard working kid with enough athletisms to be dangerous when sh*t goes sideways in the pocket. 

The innacuracy in a country club OTA means nothing.  Pre-season means nothing.  When it counts and NFL defenses are trying to make things difficult and adjust every week that's what means something.

Last year was bad for Zach.  It was bad for Saleh and the D.  The team has more talent around Zach.  Lefleur might not suck as much as he did out of the shoot last year?  

If Zach balls and the Jets are fun to watch he's going to own this town.  If he can't ball the team is screwed.  It's really that simple.   Nobody who's a Jets fan is rooting for him to fail.  Dumb narative. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

I think Zach has a better chance of being special, while Mike has a better chance of being Alex Smith.

But, more likely than not, they both will be terrible QBs.

In the very end that is by far the most likely outcome. 

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