Hal N of Provo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 “Tier 5 consists of the teams lacking true star talent at multiple position groups. Mostly, these players are effective at their given job, but are lackluster in multiple categories of star power, depth, consistency, health, and distributed talent. These teams have a multitude of young talent that could rise in the ranks, but it has not been seen yet. New York Jets: Breece Hall, Michael Carter, Elijah Moore, Garrett Wilson, Corey Davis, CJ Uzomah, Tyler Conklin” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 I’d say that’s pretty fair. A ton of upside but our most proven weapon is Corey Davis. Hopefully the upside hits and we can move up on a list like this next year. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Their QB rankings, and a further illustration that the NFL is way, way down on Zach Wilson. For reference, Fields and Lawrence are in their “Tier Five.” 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DetroitRed Posted June 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2022 The only source more reliable than the 33rd team, is the 77th league 1 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Their QB rankings, and a further illustration that the NFL is way, way down on Zach Wilson. For reference, Fields and Lawrence are in their “Tier Five.” Lol. That’s great. Is there a link? Their website is tough to navigate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: Lol. That’s great. Is there a link? Their website is tough to navigate Odd, but it won’t let me cut and paste the link to the article. The link is in the first paragraph of the article you posted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skeptable Posted June 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Odd, but it won’t let me cut and paste the link to the article. The link is in the first paragraph of the article you posted. The guy didn't even read his own link... Jackass 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addage Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Jets have added a lot of talent over the last 2 years—overwhelmingly young players. This off-season was especially strong. So the ingredients are there. But guys who do “ratings” for a living are not going to bite, nor should they. Prove it on the field has to be the mantra. Should be for us too. Look, I’m as full of optimism as I have been in years. So I am not being SOJ. But the only way to legitimize our hopes is to split the opening 4 games and beat a couple of division foes. Tough to do. But it’s high time for an upside surprise. Go Jets 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 We should ban threads about outside rankings of the Jets, They are idiotic. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peekskill68 Posted June 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2022 Until trolling Jets fans stops generating clicks and eyeballs, there is no incentive for writers and bloggers to change their tactics... 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 First and second year players aren’t proven. Okay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 If there was a contest or competition to rank teams it would be great. Maybe even a tournament at the end to decide a champion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted June 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2022 Win games and get respect. Until then we need to stop getting outraged over the fact that we're largely seen as a joke. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 If these guys reach their potential the Jets become one of the top offenses in the NFL. Hard to say what they are having not seen Hall, Wilson and Ruckert on the field with Moore, Davis, Carter, Uzomah, Conklin. This is why there are no excuses for Zach Wilson this year. Plenty of high quality targets. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: If there was a contest or competition to rank teams it would be great. Maybe even a tournament at the end to decide a champion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: Their QB rankings, and a further illustration that the NFL is way, way down on Zach Wilson. For reference, Fields and Lawrence are in their “Tier Five.” 33rd tier = NFL Ranking Fields and or Lawrence over Wilson says you are clueless or have an agenda 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: “Tier 5 consists of the teams lacking true star talent at multiple position groups. Mostly, these players are effective at their given job, but are lackluster in multiple categories of star power, depth, consistency, health, and distributed talent. These teams have a multitude of young talent that could rise in the ranks, but it has not been seen yet. New York Jets: Breece Hall, Michael Carter, Elijah Moore, Garrett Wilson, Corey Davis, CJ Uzomah, Tyler Conklin” Stupid, 2nd year players and 2 rookies. They arent true stars. Shocking detailed analysis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Stupid, 2nd year players and 2 rookies. They arent true stars. Shocking detailed analysis Yeah I got a good laugh. It’s not worth ranking this team. They have tons of potential. This is going to be a fun season and terrible wait until camp starts lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 If these guys reach their potential the Jets become one of the top offenses in the NFL. Hard to say what they are having not seen Hall, Wilson and Ruckert on the field with Moore, Davis, Carter, Uzomah, Conklin. This is why there are no excuses for Zach Wilson this year. Plenty of high quality targets.And Mims Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Jet Nut said: 33rd tier = NFL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 16 hours ago, T0mShane said: Their QB rankings, and a further illustration that the NFL is way, way down on Zach Wilson. For reference, Fields and Lawrence are in their “Tier Five.” Isn’t this a bit arbitrary? What did Fields and Lawrence do last year that was leaps ahead of Wilson? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 15 hours ago, Skeptable said: The guy didn't even read his own link... Jackass Well, one is “generational” and the other was the darling of the talking heads during the draft who played up how Fields was passed over. Wilson over Fields will be interesting to review in3 more years. Chicago hasn’t helped Field’s much 4 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said: Isn’t this a bit arbitrary? What did Fields and Lawrence do last year that was leaps ahead of Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said: Isn’t this a bit arbitrary? What did Fields and Lawrence do last year that was leaps ahead of Wilson? Yup. All three guys disappointed. Only major difference between Fields/Lawrence and Wilson is the first two guys didn't play for the Jets. Fields nad Lawrence in the same tier as Matt Ryan. Ryan may be on the downside of his career, but is still playing at a much higher level than Fields or Lawrence have ever approached. Maybe they get there someday. But they are not close yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said: Isn’t this a bit arbitrary? What did Fields and Lawrence do last year that was leaps ahead of Wilson? The PFF and Athletic podcasts have all done this same exercise recently, and their reasoning for ranking Fields and Lawrence over Zach essentially boiled down to Fields’ and Lawrence’s coaching staffs being so bad they they were in unwinnable positions that presumably improved this offseason. The Athletic guys (Mays and Tice) explained that Fields was stuck in a vertical offense that didn’t give him a lot of easy completions, plus his rushing ability was impressive. With Lawrence, they pointed out that the passing scheme he was working in was comically bad (receivers running the same routes to the same spots, etc), but Lawrence showed a lot of poise and made something out of nothing. I didn’t watch much of either, so this isn’t my point of view, but I’ve posted links to those pods if you guys had any interest in why the tone toward Zach is as negative as it is relative to the other QBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthebrushwoodthicket Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 @T0mShaneI think you also have to give credit to the leaf attributes that maximize his rushing ability. Not to mention the insect count. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: And? The takes are based on nothing and dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 16 hours ago, T0mShane said: The PFF and Athletic podcasts have all done this same exercise recently, and their reasoning for ranking Fields and Lawrence over Zach essentially boiled down to Fields’ and Lawrence’s coaching staffs being so bad they they were in unwinnable positions that presumably improved this offseason. The Athletic guys (Mays and Tice) explained that Fields was stuck in a vertical offense that didn’t give him a lot of easy completions, plus his rushing ability was impressive. With Lawrence, they pointed out that the passing scheme he was working in was comically bad (receivers running the same routes to the same spots, etc), but Lawrence showed a lot of poise and made something out of nothing. I didn’t watch much of either, so this isn’t my point of view, but I’ve posted links to those pods if you guys had any interest in why the tone toward Zach is as negative as it is relative to the other QBs So excuses for the others but not better performance? I guess we will see this year who is better. I’d be willing to bet on Wilson. Did the writers happen to mention that Wilson’s offense was on IR the last part of the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 20 hours ago, Bowles Movement said: Isn’t this a bit arbitrary? What did Fields and Lawrence do last year that was leaps ahead of Wilson? I know it's shocking because they both sucked. Zach, even on a cmparative basis to two rookies who sucked, really sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 teams make their own great players. there's no telling how good a player will ultimately be after being drafted. it takes time for the player to develop. and it takes a system that plays to the players strengths. the jets are very young at the skil positions so it's going to take some time for them to gel. so far, at least they have players that have either flashed with other teams or were sufficiently good in solid college programs that they have a good stating point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 On 6/5/2022 at 9:06 AM, T0mShane said: The PFF and Athletic podcasts have all done this same exercise recently, and their reasoning for ranking Fields and Lawrence over Zach essentially boiled down to Fields’ and Lawrence’s coaching staffs being so bad they they were in unwinnable positions that presumably improved this offseason. The Athletic guys (Mays and Tice) explained that Fields was stuck in a vertical offense that didn’t give him a lot of easy completions, plus his rushing ability was impressive. With Lawrence, they pointed out that the passing scheme he was working in was comically bad (receivers running the same routes to the same spots, etc), but Lawrence showed a lot of poise and made something out of nothing. I didn’t watch much of either, so this isn’t my point of view, but I’ve posted links to those pods if you guys had any interest in why the tone toward Zach is as negative as it is relative to the other QBs This is a joke, right? This bum sounds like Tebow#2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/4/2022 at 4:57 PM, T0mShane said: Their QB rankings, and a further illustration that the NFL is way, way down on Zach Wilson. For reference, Fields and Lawrence are in their “Tier Five.” Jesus Christ man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/5/2022 at 6:06 AM, T0mShane said: The PFF and Athletic podcasts have all done this same exercise recently, and their reasoning for ranking Fields and Lawrence over Zach essentially boiled down to Fields’ and Lawrence’s coaching staffs being so bad they they were in unwinnable positions that presumably improved this offseason. The Athletic guys (Mays and Tice) explained that Fields was stuck in a vertical offense that didn’t give him a lot of easy completions, plus his rushing ability was impressive. With Lawrence, they pointed out that the passing scheme he was working in was comically bad (receivers running the same routes to the same spots, etc), but Lawrence showed a lot of poise and made something out of nothing. I didn’t watch much of either, so this isn’t my point of view, but I’ve posted links to those pods if you guys had any interest in why the tone toward Zach is as negative as it is relative to the other QBs Lots of bad assumptions here by these guys. I swear that sometimes GMs are so mired in NFL group think that they know less about football than fans First, switching offensive schemes almost always increases the struggles young QBs have, I am of the opinion in fact that the trend of giving 2nd year QBs a new OC and new system is one of the driving forces behind them ultimately busting. One of Zach's biggest advantages this year is being in the same system. So Lawrence and Fields should be downgraded Second, Fields SHOULD be in a vertical offense. He is good at 2 things: the deep ball and running. He is pretty average to terrible at everything else. Trying to make him him a short passing guy will hurt him. Lawrence never looked like a NFL QB It was not the scheme Both are in way worse situations than Zach not the opposite as they want to say 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 That's the sort of ranking where we're 5th tier now but could easily be 2nd or 3rd tier if Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall look like studs. We're very young and it's all upside. Let's see how it plays out -- I'm fairly confident in GW, BH, Moore, and Ruckert as a young nucleus of skill guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Not a bad Tier system and rankings. I disagree that the Eagles and Saints are in the Tier 2 category, especially with Michael Thomas being up in the air. I could probably make an argument that the Rams, Bucs, 49'ers maybe Vikings are equally as good as the Raiders. I do think the Fins and Bengals are Tier 1. The others is pulling hairs if you're going to argue but all seems fair. The Jets ranking is fair, it's hard to predict what FA's, 2nd year players and rookies are going to be. Corey Davis is the only really proven quantity and by all measures, he's a career disappointment a one time 6th overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/6/2022 at 10:49 AM, section314 said: This is a joke, right? This bum sounds like Tebow#2. 2 hours ago, johnnysd said: Lots of bad assumptions here by these guys. I swear that sometimes GMs are so mired in NFL group think that they know less about football than fans First, switching offensive schemes almost always increases the struggles young QBs have, I am of the opinion in fact that the trend of giving 2nd year QBs a new OC and new system is one of the driving forces behind them ultimately busting. One of Zach's biggest advantages this year is being in the same system. So Lawrence and Fields should be downgraded Second, Fields SHOULD be in a vertical offense. He is good at 2 things: the deep ball and running. He is pretty average to terrible at everything else. Trying to make him him a short passing guy will hurt him. Lawrence never looked like a NFL QB It was not the scheme Both are in way worse situations than Zach not the opposite as they want to say Yeah, I am not a Fields optimist at this point, but their general take was that Fields and Lawrence were asked to do more as rookies and that’s why they sucked. And to defend Zach a little bit here, a lot of the anti-Zach stuff is based on vibes, even though he was statistically awful. Typical anti-Jets sentiment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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