Joe Willie White Shoes Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Good thing nobody is saying that. That's exactly what you did. You said it was discouraging that Wilson had not taken a massive leap after two days of OTAs in shorts in JUNE! You are judging the kid on every pass, as described in tweets from moronic beat writers watching practices, in shorts, in June. That is the epitome of overreaction. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Biggs said: The Colts have done a great job of developing young players who have had huge impacts as rookies. That has a ton to do with the coaching staff. They have built a competent roster through more than drafting. It's player development and coaching. Okay...? That doesn't conflict with anything I said. Clearly any well run org have the GM and HC in lockstep, complimenting each other's progress. They've built a good program there, outside of the QB. If Douglas and Saleh look like they're doing the same thing Ballard and Reich are doing they should be given more time. Their fates shouldn't be tied to a whiff on Zach Wilson, should that prove to be the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: That's exactly what you did. You said it was discouraging that Wilson had not taken a massive leap after two days of OTAs in shorts in JUNE! You are judging the kid on every pass, as described in tweets from moronic beat writers watching practices, in shorts, in June. That is the epitome of overreaction. No it's not what I did. It is discouraging that the initial reports from OTAs aren't that he looks awesome and is night and day from last year. I don't know why any Jets fan would think early reports of INTs and inconsistent accuracy in 11 on 11 was a good thing. It's not the end of the world. I'm not writing him off. But again -- for him to be good he needs to make a massive leap. Early reports don't indicate he's made a massive improvement which is what I was hoping for. Some are fine kicking the can down the road and making excuses -- because that worked out so well with Sanchez and Darnold. I'm just taking in new information and offering feedback on it... Because really, if you aren't interested in discussing OTA performance, why are you on this board in June in a thread about OTAs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Okay...? That doesn't conflict with anything I said. Clearly any well run org have the GM and HC in lockstep, complimenting each other's progress. They've built a good program there, outside of the QB. If Douglas and Saleh look like they're doing the same thing Ballard and Reich are doing they should be given more time. Their fates shouldn't be tied to a whiff on Zach Wilson, should that prove to be the case. Don't get defensive. I'm just pointing out that the roster needs more than talent before you can plug a QB in and compete. It needs very competent coaching. Something that is not obvious yet to me. From my POV Douglas is showing high competence as a GM. Saleh to date hasn't. Reich clearly is a competent HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Just now, Biggs said: Don't get defensive. I'm just pointing out that the roster needs more than talent before you can plug a QB in and compete. It needs very competent coaching. Something that is not obvious yet to me. From my POV Douglas is showing high competence as a GM. Saleh to date hasn't. Reich clearly is a competent HC. I agree with all of that. The verdict is very much out on Saleh -- and frankly, I think Douglas is "tied" to Saleh more than he is to Wilson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Zach is the most talented QB the Jets have drafted in 50 years. People saying he’s gonna be a bust will be way wrong on this 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 19 hours ago, ZachEY said: In general, do more people get fired for continuing to make the same bad decision or for moving on from a bad decision? it's all a moot point anyway as the most likely outcome is they will give ZW the "Sanchize" extension i.e. paying a player who doesn't deserve it for marketing and "hope" reasons historically, the rare time Woody finds the bag it's to pay a mediocre photogenic QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 minute ago, bitonti said: it's all a moot point anyway as the most likely outcome is they will give ZW the "Sanchize" extension i.e. paying a player who doesn't deserve it for marketing and "hope" reasons historically, the rare time Woody finds the bag it's to pay a mediocre photogenic QB Are you mad that we didn't give Brooks Bollinger a chance still? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, nycdan said: Are you mad that we didn't give Brooks Bollinger a chance still? Brooks Bollinger was terrible. Maybe you're thinking of Brett Ratliff. if my rants have a point it's that expectations are too damn high. This is still a garbagey team and they will be until they prove otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, bitonti said: Brooks Bollinger was terrible. Maybe you're thinking of Brett Ratliff. if my rants have a point it's that expectations are too damn high. This is still a garbagey team and they will be until they prove otherwise Cool man, thanks for your input ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, bitonti said: it's all a moot point anyway as the most likely outcome is they will give ZW the "Sanchize" extension i.e. paying a player who doesn't deserve it for marketing and "hope" reasons historically, the rare time Woody finds the bag it's to pay a mediocre photogenic QB What makes you think they would do that? What, in the time JD has been here, makes you think he will give a contract for marketing reasons? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: What makes you think they would do that? What, in the time JD has been here, makes you think he will give a contract for marketing reasons? The way teams handle the mid level QB’s has changed in recent years as well. Wentz and Goff extension mistakes have led to stuff like the Browns not extending Baker. I’m really curious to see if a mid level QB market emerges since the Mayfield, Cousins, Garoppolo, Goff level guys have some degree of value but it’s an obvious mistake to pay them at that top tier. The guys at that level who are willing to take a two or three year deal for something in the $20 millions annually will make decent coin, get to start with a little continuity, and at least have a chance to emerge in that upper tier instead of going year to year as a stopgap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: What makes you think they would do that? What, in the time JD has been here, makes you think he will give a contract for marketing reasons? usually that's correct but these aren't his guys JD is not BB able to just piss away draft picks because it's a 20 year program. WE all seem to forget JD and Saleh are first timers too and Woody can look for a new GM easier than the Jets can look for a new FQB. imagine if Woody decides he wants to pay someone who's actually been a GM or HC before? all these guys could be shipped out on a whim usually it happens about every 6 years like the mattress wars from Godfather it gets the bad blood out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, derp said: The way teams handle the mid level QB’s has changed in recent years as well. Wentz and Goff extension mistakes have led to stuff like the Browns not extending Baker. I’m really curious to see if a mid level QB market emerges since the Mayfield, Cousins, Garoppolo, Goff level guys have some degree of value but it’s an obvious mistake to pay them at that top tier. The guys at that level who are willing to take a two or three year deal for something in the $20 millions annually will make decent coin, get to start with a little continuity, and at least have a chance to emerge in that upper tier instead of going year to year as a stopgap. I'd honestly be all for signing Jimmy G. Cut Flacco. And if Wilson and the team are struggling by the middle of the season, make the switch. Seems like a no brainer system wise with Lefluer already working with him. Give yourself a chance to see what the rest of the team can be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 16 hours ago, bitonti said: By the standards of drafted punters, Mann sucks His 2020 draft is basically worthless I did forget about Michael Carter tho. It's still not enough to overlook a ZW bust I'll say it again if Zach busts they aren't going to let jd pick another franchise qb Why would they? Because he did such a great job evaluating James Morgan and Zach? None of the Zach haters want to hear this but Zach showed enough last year that combined with his elite traits makes being a bust FAR FAR less likely than making a huge jump 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: usually that's correct but these aren't his guys JD is not BB able to just piss away draft picks because it's a 20 year program. WE all seem to forget JD and Saleh are first timers too and Woody can look for a new GM easier than the Jets can look for a new FQB. imagine if Woody decides he wants to pay someone who's actually been a GM or HC before? all these guys could be shipped out on a whim usually it happens about every 6 years like the mattress wars from Godfather it gets the bad blood out Alright, that doesn't really answer the question but k... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: I'd honestly be all for signing Jimmy G. Cut Flacco. And if Wilson and the team are struggling by the middle of the season, make the switch. Seems like a no brainer system wise with Lefluer already working with him. Give yourself a chance to see what the rest of the team can be. First of all, cutting Jimmy G is idiotic unless they think he will not be healthy well into 2022. And no, you do not yank your 2nd year #2 pick QB by the "middle of the season" especially since the early part of our season is entirely front loaded with almost every hard game we have, and we will start like 9 new rookies and FAs at least and they will not come together instantly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, johnnysd said: First of all, cutting Jimmy G is idiotic unless they think he will not be healthy well into 2022. And no, you do not yank your 2nd year #2 pick QB by the "middle of the season" especially since the early part of our season is entirely front loaded with almost every hard game we have, and we will start like 9 new rookies and FAs at least and they will not come together instantly. You think it is idiotic to move on from your backup QB and save $24M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: I'd honestly be all for signing Jimmy G. Cut Flacco. And if Wilson and the team are struggling by the middle of the season, make the switch. Seems like a no brainer system wise with Lefluer already working with him. Give yourself a chance to see what the rest of the team can be. Jimmy G isnt going anywhere to be a backup. He immediately starts in Seattle or Carolina. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Jimmy G isnt going anywhere to be a backup. He immediately starts in Seattle or Carolina. ... or Atlanta or Pittsburgh or Houston or Detroit or ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: ... or Atlanta or Pittsburgh or Houston or Detroit or ... I dont see him at any of these places. Houston is fine with Mills. He was actually the 2nd best qb out of all the rookies last year, They love Goff in Det and him and Jimmy G are similiar talent wise. Pitt has a 1st round pick in Pickett in the bullpen with Tribisky to mentor him and Atlanta has Marriota who is close with the head coach and getting a shot there. Its Seattle or Carolina for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: First of all, cutting Jimmy G is idiotic unless they think he will not be healthy well into 2022. And no, you do not yank your 2nd year #2 pick QB by the "middle of the season" especially since the early part of our season is entirely front loaded with almost every hard game we have, and we will start like 9 new rookies and FAs at least and they will not come together instantly. You’d wanna stick with him after like 6-7 games and his stats are 4TDs and 9INTs? And say 2-6 record? I mean sure I guess you could, doubt he’s bouncing back and throwing a 20-1 ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said: I'd honestly be all for signing Jimmy G. Cut Flacco. And if Wilson and the team are struggling by the middle of the season, make the switch. Seems like a no brainer system wise with Lefluer already working with him. Give yourself a chance to see what the rest of the team can be. Saleh would cut Zach Wilson (and Mike White) before even considering cutting Flacco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 hours ago, johnnysd said: None of the Zach haters want to hear this but Zach showed enough last year that combined with his elite traits makes being a bust FAR FAR less likely than making a huge jump What exactly are his elite traits? he's not elite tall, he's not elite fast. He's not elite big. He's not elite durable. He's not elite in any physical measurable way elite accurate? Not at 55% elite elusiveness? not holding the ball for 3 seconds an attempt (and 5 seconds per sack) What exactly is so elite about Zach Wilson? the only elite traits he has exhibited is elite excuse making from his fans and of course his uncle, who is literally one of the elites who run the world, like Woody. 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Just now, TuscanyTile2 said: Saleh would cut Zach Wilson (and Mike White) before even considering cutting Flacco. joe flacco is an absolute waste of space at this point in his career he's the "mark brunnell" mentor if the jets have to play this player they are boned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Saleh would cut Zach Wilson (and Mike White) before even considering cutting Flacco. But trading flacco... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, bitonti said: What exactly are his elite traits? he's not elite tall, he's not elite fast. He's not elite big. He's not elite durable. He's not elite in any physical measurable way elite accurate? Not at 55% elite elusiveness? not holding the ball for 3 seconds an attempt (and 5 seconds per sack) What exactly is so elite about Zach Wilson? the only elite traits he has exhibited is elite excuse making from his fans and of course his uncle, who is literally one of the elites who run the world, like Woody. @Gastineau Lives Is on such a secret probation the Gallows had to disappear to hide it, so I’ll help while he’s on vacation. Zach Wilson has a lightning quick release and (this is for @JiFapono and @Jetsfan80 since it’s their favorite thing about Zach) he can make throws few in the NFL can. @Joe Willie White Shoes Do you think Zach Wilson might be good? @Rhg1084 how about you? @Joe W. Namath do you think Zach is the QB since his uncle used to be affiliated with a sponsor? @Jet Nut any thoughts? @JTJet penny for your thoughts? I was going to tag more people, but one of those tags might actually be the intended person, so that’s a big enough win for the day. Rest up @Gastineau Lives !!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, bitonti said: What exactly are his elite traits? he's not elite tall, he's not elite fast. He's not elite big. He's not elite durable. He's not elite in any physical measurable way elite accurate? Not at 55% elite elusiveness? not holding the ball for 3 seconds an attempt (and 5 seconds per sack) What exactly is so elite about Zach Wilson? the only elite traits he has exhibited is elite excuse making from his fans and of course his uncle, who is literally one of the elites who run the world, like Woody. His arm strength is elite (plus potentially his ability to use it "off platform"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, bitonti said: joe flacco is an absolute waste of space at this point in his career he's the "mark brunnell" mentor if the jets have to play this player they are boned "Joe Must Go!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Hal N of Provo said: @Gastineau Lives Is on such a secret probation the Gallows had to disappear to hide it, so I’ll help while he’s on vacation. Zach Wilson has a lightning quick release and (this is for @JiFapono and @Jetsfan80 since it’s their favorite thing about Zach) he can make throws few in the NFL can. @Joe Willie White Shoes Do you think Zach Wilson might be good? @Rhg1084 how about you? @Joe W. Namath do you think Zach is the QB since his uncle used to be affiliated with a sponsor? @Jet Nut any thoughts? @JTJet penny for your thoughts? I was going to tag more people, but one of those tags might actually be the intended person, so that’s a big enough win for the day. Rest up @Gastineau Lives !!! Wtf I haven't even commented on this thread. What did I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 hours ago, bitonti said: What exactly are his elite traits? he's not elite tall, he's not elite fast. He's not elite big. He's not elite durable. He's not elite in any physical measurable way elite accurate? Not at 55% elite elusiveness? not holding the ball for 3 seconds an attempt (and 5 seconds per sack) What exactly is so elite about Zach Wilson? the only elite traits he has exhibited is elite excuse making from his fans and of course his uncle, who is literally one of the elites who run the world, like Woody. The guy you are asking has stated that Wilson is the most talented QB he has ever seen in college (his words, not mine). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: His arm strength is elite (plus potentially his ability to use it "off platform"). How many other QBs in the NFL would you say have elite arm strength? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just seeking to better understand your statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 His arm strength is elite (plus potentially his ability to use it "off platform"). Browning Nagle says hiSent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, maury77 said: How many other QBs in the NFL would you say have elite arm strength? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just seeking to better understand your statement. Maybe like 5? Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Aaron Rodgers come to mind. Maybe I'm missing a few? Though I think I get your point. If there are like 10 QBs with "elite arm strength", that's 1/3 of the league (so how elite is that?) I think some of it is being able to throw "off-platform" (e.g. on broken plays). It was one reason I was thrilled when we first got Darnold, btw. I'm in an odd position here defending Zach right now - lol. I'm just saying I see the physical attributes that can make him really successful. It certainly doesn't mean he will be great. And it's possible he won't even be worthy of being a starting QB. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 I must say, as one of the biggest ZW fans on this board.... I must take accountability as it's clear now Z. Wilson is a bust. These OTA's have shown me the following: He's not accurate nor will he ever will be His decision making skill set can't possibly be bette Either way, let's get Jimmy G and win 10 games. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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