Reason for hope: Broadway Joe HOF stats

[Jetsfan80]

This does give me hope thx

[Bronx]

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[Jet_Engine1]

Namath had the best arm in the history of the league. Looking at stats to understand Joe makes as much sense as using calculus to determine if Ann-Margret was sexy as fuuuu....

 

And yes, she was. ? 

[Bronx]

7 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Namath had the best arm in the history of the league. Looking at stats to understand Joe makes as much sense as using calculus to determine if Ann-Margret was sexy as fuuuu....

 

And yes, she was. ? 

It's all subjectivity.  However, athletes are much faster and stronger at the present.  We shouldn't turn the blind eye on it because of the discomfort reality brings.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Wasting upwards of 1/6 of the team’s cap on him, plus the picks it cost to get him in the first place, may very well have cost the Jets a super bowl. Fight me. 

I don’t do the money thing.  You’re the lone person anywhere complaining about his salary vs return.  I have no idea what percentage of the payroll he took up and don’t care, doubt it was 1/6th of the total though

But as I said, CM is next.  The top 3 all time Jets.  Namath, Revis & Martin

[Jet_Engine1]

3 hours ago, Bronx said:

It's all subjectivity.  However, athletes are much faster and stronger at the present.  We shouldn't turn the blind eye on it because of the discomfort reality brings.

You understand that it takes more than 50 years for Humans to evolve, right? ? 

 

Joe's arm and release are literally second to none in league history, and he won a SB and went to the HOF on trashed knees, no supplements, Johnny Walker Red and Lucky Strikes.

 

Imagine if he had the same care, science, and pampering these modern pussies play with. Hell, Becton lost a year because he had a boy of knee pain.

 

Namath played a decade with no knee cartilage.  

 

It's not apples to oranges, it's more like Apples to Cannonballs. 

[Jetsfan80]

On 6/9/2022 at 11:33 PM, Jet_Engine1 said:

Namath had the best arm in the history of the league. Looking at stats to understand Joe makes as much sense as using calculus to determine if Ann-Margret was sexy as fuuuu....

 

And yes, she was. ? 

Cmon man, there has to be some algorithm out there utilizing log (x) to calculate attractiveness.  

Perhaps @RutgersJetFan can do a Ted Talk.  Or maybe even this guy:

 

 

[Bronx]

3 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Imagine if he had the same care, science, and pampering these modern pussies play with. Hell, Becton lost a year because he had a boy of knee pain.

Nowadays they are called 'investments.' 

[Biggs]

In fairness to Joe he wasn’t running the Shanahan system.  Even Jimmy G can throw for over 67 percent in this system.

[Bronx]

7 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

But as I said, CM is next.  The top 3 all time Jets.  Namath, Revis & Martin

I think that it is pretty fair to say, that regardless of the loyalty towards your team--that you will support the annals but not necessarily be enamored with it--specially if you never witnessed it in your lifetime.

All sports have evolved focusing on the safety of the players; adjusting the game rules while implementing continuous measurements utilizing sports medicine, state of the art equipment, nutrition, personal trainers, physical therapy, etc.

It has been an evolution of protocols in order to mitigate injuries to protect their investments. 

[Warfish]

12 hours ago, Bronx said:

In the meantime, we need to sit back and wait until the season is over before declaring him a bust (for those who applied).

And what if we don’t wait?

What if we engage in constant ongoing analysis and evaluation?

[Dunnie]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NamaJo00.htm
HOF career stats:
50.1 comp
173 TDs/225 INTs. 
Joe got us a ring, but his stats are awful. 
Yet, we don't want to give Zach a slight chance even during OTAs. You can't make this sh*t up fellas!
Zach needs another full year before the final judgment. In the meantime, we need to sit back and wait until the season is over before declaring him a bust (for those who applied).


 

Meh .. haters gonna hate ... Zach is gonna shut a lot of mouths this season ... but until that happens ... grin and bare it.

[Bronx]

12 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Either lay off the moonshine or drink enough to pass out. Thanks, 

As promised...

[Warfish]

8 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Looking at stats to understand Joe makes as much sense as using calculus to determine if Ann-Margret was sexy as fuuuu....

Nice to see Jets Fans extreme aversion to statistical analysis has been a thing since the very beginning.

8 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

And yes, she was. ? 

Yes.  She was. ? But I'm partial to redheads.

[Trotter]

9 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Namath had the best arm in the history of the league. Looking at stats to understand Joe makes as much sense as using calculus to determine if Ann-Margret was sexy as fuuuu....

 

And yes, she was. ? 

Good lord.

She was absolutely stunning to look at in Viva Las Vegas.

If you did not live it you simply can't understand the infatuation with Joe - and the ironic part is alot of the off field stuff and the jealousy that came with it generated alot of the media negativity towards his play. 

As you state - best arm in the league and that is simply factual.

[The Crusher]

22 minutes ago, Bronx said:

As promised...

Haha, nice!

[The Crusher]

24 minutes ago, Bronx said:

As promised...

Check my profile 

[Biggs]

Here's a stat.  In 2009 Drew Brees had a completion percentage of 71.2.  In that same year he had his highest average yards per attempt at 8.5.   Joe highest Y/A was 8.7 in 1972.  He did that with a 50% completion rate.   How could that be.   Joe's average completion was 17.4 yards vs Brees's average completion of 12.1 yards.

On the same number of attempts Joe was moving the team further down the field than Drew Brees did in his best years with a drastically higher completion percentage.

When you consider the hash marks alone which pinned teams to the sidelines on the snap it's a remarkable statistic. 

[freestater]

11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Wasting upwards of 1/6 of the team’s cap on him, plus the picks it cost to get him in the first place, may very well have cost the Jets a super bowl. Fight me. 

@Savage69 is somewhere, happy to see you keeping up the good fight. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Not trying to be a dick when I say this but this thread really points out a lack of knowledge on the history of the NFL. You should read up on it because it's interesting stuff.

Namath was the first 4000 yard passer in NFL history. Completion percentages were way lower back then across the board partly because the passing games were so much different. Things were more of a 7 step drop chuck it down the field back then. Players could still kill the QB and DB's could manhandle WR's and crush them as they were catching it. 

It wasn't until Walsh & the Niners made the west coast offense popular in the NFL that teams began attacking more horizontally with higher percentage short throws. Now this sort of approach is standard and you can't touch QB's or even WR's.

There's so much more interesting things to learn - check it out.

[Biggs]

Joe did two of the greatest commercials in broadcasting history.  Rodgers rate my ass.  

[Dcat]

44 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Not trying to be a dick when I say this but this thread really points out a lack of knowledge on the history of the NFL. You should read up on it because it's interesting stuff.

Namath was the first 4000 yard passer in NFL history. Completion percentages were way lower back then across the board partly because the passing games were so much different. Things were more of a 7 step drop chuck it down the field back then. Players could still kill the QB and DB's could manhandle WR's and crush them as they were catching it. 

It wasn't until Walsh & the Niners made the west coast offense popular in the NFL that teams began attacking more horizontally with higher percentage short throws. Now this sort of approach is standard and you can't touch QB's or even WR's.

There's so much more interesting things to learn - check it out.

Back then DBs could do things to WRs that would lead to prison nowadays.  QB protection had more to do with Joe's dating life and condom supply than the offense.

[Long Island Leprechaun]

3 hours ago, Biggs said:

Here's a stat.  In 2009 Drew Brees had a completion percentage of 71.2.  In that same year he had his highest average yards per attempt at 8.5.   Joe highest Y/A was 8.7 in 1972.  He did that with a 50% completion rate.   How could that be.   Joe's average completion was 17.4 yards vs Brees's average completion of 12.1 yards.

On the same number of attempts Joe was moving the team further down the field than Drew Brees did in his best years with a drastically higher completion percentage.

When you consider the hash marks alone which pinned teams to the sidelines on the snap it's a remarkable statistic. 

Nice.

The hashmark issue also applies to running backs. Gayle Sayers pointed that out years ago. RB's were virtually forced by ball position to run to one side of the field. Which makes what guys like Jim Brown did extraordinary. They knew where he was running and still couldn't stop him.

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Not trying to be a dick when I say this but this thread really points out a lack of knowledge on the history of the NFL. You should read up on it because it's interesting stuff.

Namath was the first 4000 yard passer in NFL history. Completion percentages were way lower back then across the board partly because the passing games were so much different. Things were more of a 7 step drop chuck it down the field back then. Players could still kill the QB and DB's could manhandle WR's and crush them as they were catching it. 

It wasn't until Walsh & the Niners made the west coast offense popular in the NFL that teams began attacking more horizontally with higher percentage short throws. Now this sort of approach is standard and you can't touch QB's or even WR's.

There's so much more interesting things to learn - check it out.

Cock not trying to be a Dick? Sure, haha. 

[Bronx]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Not trying to be a dick when I say this but this thread really points out a lack of knowledge on the history of the NFL. You should read up on it because it's interesting stuff.

Namath was the first 4000 yard passer in NFL history. Completion percentages were way lower back then across the board partly because the passing games were so much different. Things were more of a 7 step drop chuck it down the field back then. Players could still kill the QB and DB's could manhandle WR's and crush them as they were catching it. 

It wasn't until Walsh & the Niners made the west coast offense popular in the NFL that teams began attacking more horizontally with higher percentage short throws. Now this sort of approach is standard and you can't touch QB's or even WR's.

There's so much more interesting things to learn - check it out.

I appreciate the feedback. There is so much history to learn for sure.

[Alka]

19 hours ago, Bronx said:

Joe got us a ring, but his stats are awful. 

Have you seen Joe play?  I watched him at Shea Stadium many times, and all of his games on TV during his tenure, and I will tell you that no Jets QB since Joe Namath can hold a candle to his talent and ability.

He had an arm like a cannon, a quick release like Dan Marino, and the confidence of Tom Brady.  He broke many records at the time, including multiple 400 plus yards throwing the ball.  The guy was a born winner, and sure-fire HOF player.  He also played in an era where quarterbacks were fair game when it came to sacking and hitting the QB.  No pussy foot roughing the QB calls like they have now.  Wide Receivers were allowed to be harassed all over the field, and there was no penalties for killing the wide receiver after the catch.  A whole different era for sure.

[Charlie Brown]

I know I know this is me now...

But I still believe that Gayle Sayers, Jim Brown, Willie Mays, and Joe D for baseball would still be pretty good today...

 

[Jet Nut]

22 hours ago, Alka said:

Have you seen Joe play?  I watched him at Shea Stadium many times, and all of his games on TV during his tenure, and I will tell you that no Jets QB since Joe Namath can hold a candle to his talent and ability.

He had an arm like a cannon, a quick release like Dan Marino, and the confidence of Tom Brady.  He broke many records at the time, including multiple 400 plus yards throwing the ball.  The guy was a born winner, and sure-fire HOF player.  He also played in an era where quarterbacks were fair game when it came to sacking and hitting the QB.  No pussy foot roughing the QB calls like they have now.  Wide Receivers were allowed to be harassed all over the field, and there was no penalties for killing the wide receiver after the catch.  A whole different era for sure.

Plus back in Joes day you could chuck WRs downfield.  Would love to see how many 65% QBs fair with their WRs having to literally fight to get open.

One of Joes classic lines:  We'd rather throw a 65 yard pass for an INT than punt for 40 yards.  A whole lot different from todays QBs who are protecting their comp%