DepressedJetsFan23 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Guess its been a slow week at PFF, I mean who actually thinks this list is indicative of anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jethead Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 11 hours ago, Maxman said: Sean McVay is half way down the list and every team in the league is trying to find the next version of him. Kingsbury is a worse version of McVay and he is higher. Terrible list. Harbaugh is overrated. Staley over Tomlin GTFO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Worst team with worst head coach, yet the Jets are getting big bets in Vegas to win the division/the over win total/Super Bowl. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 13 hours ago, Facts said: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2022-bill-belichick-andy-reid-john-harbaugh I sincerely hope to find a failure of a coach just McVay, for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just when I thought that PFF couldn’t look worse… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, Adoni Beast said: Just when I thought that PFF couldn’t look worse… They're almost hitting PETA levels of a joke, it's sad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted June 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2022 Wilson and Saleh deserve to be at the bottom of these lists until they prove otherwise 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corn Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 It's all on the coach this year !!! He should have a good running game a significantly improved defense. He should be able to analyze what he has during the preseason whether he has a quarterback to throw 12 times or 22 times. But it's on Saleh to bring inspired play enthusiastic play, something he did not deliver on last year until the tight end coach Stepped In! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 8 hours ago, slimjasi said: Wilson and Saleh deserve to be at the bottom of these lists until they prove otherwise Sure thing. But there are coaches high on that list that haven't proven anything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Maxman said: Sure thing. But there are coaches high on that list that haven't proven anything. Yea it’s a crappy list 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 9 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: ....yet the Jets are getting big bets in Vegas to win the division/the over win total/Super Bowl. What is the source of this claim? I've heard it a few times now here, but haven't seen the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 11 hours ago, DepressedJetsFan23 said: Guess its been a slow week at PFF, I mean who actually thinks this list is indicative of anything. Yeah he did so well last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 He is a second year coach with a 23.5% career winning percentage… I mean yeah where else do you put him? And to all you pointing out that this is yet another example of “The Media” trolling Jets fans, check out how wide the confidence interval is for Saleh… widest in the league by far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtnelson Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Want to put him at last because of last year with the injuries and a young team even before those staryed to pile up in the pre season? Sure. I'm okay with that. Does this mean in reality he IS the worst coach in the NFL? Not even close. He has as much to prove as a lot of the players and other coaches in this still young team. So far I like the culture he has managed even after last season. There are reasons to have positive feelings about him being our coach which you may not be able to read in a spreadsheet. Yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, rtnelson said: Want to put him at last because of last year with the injuries and a young team even before those staryed to pile up in the pre season? Sure. I'm okay with that. Does this mean in reality he IS the worst coach in the NFL? Not even close. He has as much to prove as a lot of the players and other coaches in this still young team. So far I like the culture he has managed even after last season. There are reasons to have positive feelings about him being our coach which you may not be able to read in a spreadsheet. Yet. The upper end of his confidence interval overlaps with the lower end of McVay’s. What this is basically saying is they don’t have a clue about Saleh as a HC. Hard to argue with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 8:57 AM, Fantasy Island said: Everybody up in arms when PFF says something bad about us. PFF used to justify poor performers when it fits your narrative. Which is it? PFF is trash, nothing to see here. Their player metrics have some validity since it's based on analyzing individual plays. This, as a method of assessing coaching ability, is remarkably stupid. Much better would be to Simply simulate the prior seasons a thousand times, making sure to factor in player availability in the same way that the season actually played out, and then compare total wins and losses for that coach versus the average wins and losses from the simulated season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 12:12 PM, playtowinthegame said: Worst team with worst head coach, yet the Jets are getting big bets in Vegas to win the division/the over win total/Super Bowl. It's because Jets fans are rich and gullible Meanwhile @Warfish made the best point Saleh is a defensive coach who presided over the worst defense in the history of the franchise. Think about how bad that is Saleh might actually be the worst coach in the afc. I like the guy but it might be a fair statement based on his incredibly bad defense and lack of wins 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, bitonti said: It's because Jets fans are rich and gullible Meanwhile @Warfish made the best point Saleh is a defensive coach who presided over the worst defense in the history of the franchise. Think about how bad that is Saleh might actually be the worst coach in the afc. I like the guy but it might be a fair statement based on his incredibly bad defense and lack of wins It’s almost like someone predicted the Jets would have a historically-terrible defense last off season… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Englewood Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Got serious Todd Bowles vibes from Saleh last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 6 hours ago, jgb said: It’s almost like someone predicted the Jets would have a historically-terrible defense last off season… Saleh just wanted to ensure that the offense was ranked higher than the defense for the first time in over a decade. Playing 5D chess while everyone else is playing checkers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Saleh just wanted to ensure that the offense was ranked higher than the defense for the first time in over a decade. Playing 5D chess while everyone else is playing checkers. That was the extent of my prediction of course I’d didn’t except the offense to be 31 and defense 32 lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Was there even enough talent on this team last year to properly judge him? I think this year we'll learn a lot more about him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 19 hours ago, jgb said: He is a second year coach with a 23.5% career winning percentage… I mean yeah where else do you put him? And to all you pointing out that this is yet another example of “The Media” trolling Jets fans, check out how wide the confidence interval is for Saleh… widest in the league by far. I think a HC's job (generally speaking) is to try to do the best with what he's got to work with. But this team was such a trainwreck last year that I don't know how valid even that type of measure would be. This year we'll learn a lot more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 10:47 PM, Facts said: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2022-bill-belichick-andy-reid-john-harbaugh i stopped taking these guys seriously after them trying to rationalize how jamal adams was ever any good in coverage with the jets.. LOLz how has that hot take aged PFF?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jago Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 10:11 AM, FootballLove said: Rankings are BS. They actually have a washed up, over the hill, no good senile dirt bag in 1st place. smh these are the scumbaggery ratings. saleh is a sweetheart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I would argue that other than Bill B they would all suck with mediocre teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I think a HC's job (generally speaking) is to try to do the best with what he's got to work with. But this team was such a trainwreck last year that I don't know how valid even that type of measure would be. This year we'll learn a lot more. I agree with you. You can’t judge a coach after one year absent an Urban Meyeresque turd factory. PFF is acknowledging the same by showing the wide band of potential outcomes for Saleh in its chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDecker Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Wins say otherwise, but I'm not convinced Saleh is worse than Rhule. Hopefully how he's perceived changes starting this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 11:03 PM, FidelioJet said: Me and my extended Jet family will click and read this.... money down the toilet 2022.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Jesus you don't exactly need to be an analytical expert to see why Saleh would be ranked there given how our defence somehow got considerably worse in 2021 despite having more talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/12/2022 at 5:31 PM, Doggin94it said: Their player metrics have some validity since it's based on analyzing individual plays. This, as a method of assessing coaching ability, is remarkably stupid. Much better would be to Simply simulate the prior seasons a thousand times, making sure to factor in player availability in the same way that the season actually played out, and then compare total wins and losses for that coach versus the average wins and losses from the simulated season Agreed the metrics are suspect at best. Based on the eye test and the coaches who were terrible last year and fired it's not a stretch to think Saleh is in way over his head and may well be the worst HC in the league. Rhule is clearly in the running but it's very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaconJet Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Per the article: "Saleh’s Jets did struggle in his first season as a head coach, but injuries and a roster lacking in talent across the board mean that his impact estimate is likely lower than it should be." So how valid IS this methodology? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, BeaconJet said: Per the article: "Saleh’s Jets did struggle in his first season as a head coach, but injuries and a roster lacking in talent across the board mean that his impact estimate is likely lower than it should be." So how valid IS this methodology? Can't blame Zach because the offense did not have enough weapons Can't blame Saleh because the roster did not have enough defensive assets Can't blame jd who built this roster because he's only had 3 years Can't blame woody for being the owner of the worst franchise in major sport, because he's only been back from England a year Fact is the only ones that we can blame are ourselves, for the amount of self delusion and excuse making is baked into being a Jets fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, bitonti said: Can't blame Zach because the offense did not have enough weapons Can't blame Saleh because the roster did not have enough defensive assets Can't blame jd who built this roster because he's only had 3 years Can't blame woody for being the owner of the worst franchise in major sport, because he's only been back from England a year Fact is the only ones that we can blame are ourselves, for the amount of self delusion and excuse making is baked into being a Jets fan This is basically JD's 3rd year. Year 1 was a teardown. Year 2 was a rookie QB. Year 3 (this year), he put some talent on the team. The real evaluation starts this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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