Cimini: Jets Don’t Expect Becton to Practice During Mandatory Mini Camp

[Spoot-Face]

33 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

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Oh, it's just funny how you're now criticizing Becton for not living within driving distance of Florham Park. As if every other player does.

Being concerned about his conditioning is one thing, but this is just crazy town.

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Oh, it's just funny how you're now criticizing Becton for not living within driving distance of Florham Park. As if every other player does.

Being concerned about his conditioning is one thing, but this is just crazy town.

He missed all of the 9 weeks of OTA’s and one of the excuses is that he doesn’t live close enough to attend. Not sure what the issue is. He should have a place close enough to be able to attend off-season work. At what point do the excuses stop?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the Jets also signed two washed place kickers

just because JD doesn't seem concerned doesn't mean he fixed (or even recognizes) the problem

JD is in the JD business and it's good for JD business for Becton to work out. So he doesn't consider the idea that he can't. 

Ditto Zach and every other JD pick. If it's a Mac Pick like QW ooo wee that player is a flawed POS

meanwhile JD treats his draft picks like gems. How is Jabari Zuniga still on this roster?

Becton still has all of JD's faith because Becton being good is a positive outcome for JD's GM career. it has very little to do with the reality of what's happening. It's all a utopian projection like the Jets themselves. This team has won 6 games in 2 years and fools are betting on Super Bowl wins. 

TL;DR they needed Ikey but they passed because they didn't want to admit their tackles are a problem 

Well said.

I'm not sold on Ikey being some generational talent.  I think he could have some issues in pass pro.  But your point vis a vis Douglas and Becton is spot on, I think.  Douglas wasn't going to draft another OT that high.  He won't wave the white flag on Becton until he has no choice. 

I mean why else is Mims still on this roster?  I had high hopes for him, but he's done nothing since the Charger game his rookie year.

[Spoot-Face]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

He missed all of the 9 weeks of OTA’s and one of the excuses is that he doesn’t live close enough to attend. Not sure what the issue is. He should have a place close enough to be able to attend off-season work. At what point do the excuses stop?

[Matt39]

5 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

 

[PepPep]

1 hour ago, Fantasy Island said:

I hope they release the weight in Kilos.  

[Warfish]

Becton may be lazy, he may be a malingerer, he may be a bust.

But all due respect, after decades of being a Jets Fan, I have very little faith or trust in the Jets Medical and training departments.

The idea that they FUBAR'ed this from the start feel quite possible IMO.

Doesn't make it better, doesn't mean Becton is not soft/slow healing/overweight.

Just means our injury plagued team might not be better in that area if our docs and trainers can't be trusted.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, slats said:

The theorists do seem to dismiss the fact that the biggest move the Jets made at tackle this year was to let Moses go. Doesn’t exactly scream concern. 

True.  

But consider that the Front Office may just be taking direction from the same Doctors/Trainers who may (stress may) have completely misses on the time-of-recovery in the first place.

There is a whole lot of reason to lack faith in the Jets Medical/Training folks.  That's all I'm saying.  And Coaches and GM's have to lean on them on health issues.  If we got incompetence in that role, it would in part explain where we are today.

Or Becton could just be a fat slob, as some think.

[PepPep]

37 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the Jets also signed two washed place kickers

just because JD doesn't seem concerned doesn't mean he fixed (or even recognizes) the problem

JD is in the JD business and it's good for JD business for Becton to work out. So he doesn't consider the idea that he can't. 

Ditto Zach and every other JD pick. If it's a Mac Pick like QW ooo wee that player is a flawed POS

meanwhile JD treats his draft picks like gems. How is Jabari Zuniga still on this roster?

Becton still has all of JD's faith because Becton being good is a positive outcome for JD's GM career. it has very little to do with the reality of what's happening. It's all a utopian projection like the Jets themselves. This team has won 6 games in 2 years and fools are betting on Super Bowl wins. 

TL;DR they needed Ikey but they passed because they didn't want to admit their tackles are a problem 

Your opinion is valid but I think if you look around the NFL its going to be hard to find a GM who would cut bait on 1st round pick after two seasons. Especially when said 1st round pick flashed dominance as a rookie and missed his second season due to injury (all speculation aside). Its not like Becton is/was ever a 'BAD' football player. Whenever Becton was able to get on the field, he was very good. Starting NFL LT caliber good. Why in the world would a GM cut bait on a guy like that?

Say what you will about some of the other players on the roster, but it seems silly to suggest JD is only keeping him around (and won't replace him with a vet starter) to save face. Odds are the Jets simply know more than the fans about his progress and are confident he will be good to go and caught up by seasons start and/or they have faith in the backups and FA options.  

[jgb]

Until now, I believed after the 6 weeks was up after Becton’s injury the season was flushed and Fant was performing well so the team just saw no reason to put him out there at leas than 100%.
 

If he’s still not practicing… maybe I was wrong and there is more here.

[Jetsfan80]

58 minutes ago, varjet said:

Unfortunately the Jets are going to have to invest in Reiff, which probably puts their top 6 OL top 5 in the NFL in cap space.  It will be a decent line, not a top 5 OL.  

By doing that the Jets will not have the cap space to invest in another LB or maybe IDL.   That should be the answer, as the most important goal of this season is put Wilson in the best position to succeed.  He can lose 34-31 if necessary.  

 

If they need to generate more cap space, they can easily do so by cutting some of the following extraneous players:

• OT Conor McDermott ($1.1M)
• FS Kai Nacua ($965K)
• OT Chuma Edoga ($965K)
• RB Ty Johnson ($965K)
• TE Trevon Wesco ($965K)
• OT Greg Senat ($895K)
• SS Jovante Moffatt ($895K)
• RB La'Mical Perine ($895K)
• EDGE Jabari Zuniga ($895K)
• DT Tanzel Smart ($895K)
• RB Tevin Coleman ($850K)
• TE Kenny Yeboah ($825K)
• WR Lawrence Cager ($825K)
• CB Rachad Wildgoose ($825K)
• EDGE Bradlee Anae ($820K)
• OT Grant Hermanns ($705K)
• OT Parker Ferguson ($705K)

 

@Barry McCockinner

[Jetluv58]

Lots of wild and unsubstantiated conjecture, hand-wringing, and doom addiction afoot. Must be June. 

[slats]

45 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the Jets also signed two washed place kickers

just because JD doesn't seem concerned doesn't mean he fixed (or even recognizes) the problem

JD is in the JD business and it's good for JD business for Becton to work out. So he doesn't consider the idea that he can't. 

Ditto Zach and every other JD pick. If it's a Mac Pick like QW ooo wee that player is a flawed POS

meanwhile JD treats his draft picks like gems. How is Jabari Zuniga still on this roster?

Becton still has all of JD's faith because Becton being good is a positive outcome for JD's GM career. it has very little to do with the reality of what's happening. It's all a utopian projection like the Jets themselves. This team has won 6 games in 2 years and fools are betting on Super Bowl wins. 

TL;DR they needed Ikey but they passed because they didn't want to admit their tackles are a problem 

Every GM favors his own picks, but JD drafted WRs in the second round two years in a row and had no problem aggressively trying to trade for one before taking one with a top ten pick. Or is he only protective of his OT selections? And then, of course, you just degenerate into another one of your rants. Zach? Outside of Josh Rosen, when have you seen a team give up on a highly drafted QB after one season? Zuniga? They brought three Edge’s in this year and get Lawson back, you think he’s making the roster? 
 
They passed on Icky because they didn’t need him. They do need a backup RT, though, just like they did last year. 

[slats]

10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

True.  

But consider that the Front Office may just be taking direction from the same Doctors/Trainers who may (stress may) have completely misses on the time-of-recovery in the first place.

There is a whole lot of reason to lack faith in the Jets Medical/Training folks.  That's all I'm saying.  And Coaches and GM's have to lean on them on health issues.  If we got incompetence in that role, it would in part explain where we are today.

Or Becton could just be a fat slob, as some think.

I would not be surprised if one of the reasons Becton hasn’t been to the facility is because he has so little faith in the Jets’ medical/training folks. Will his weigh-in be on prime time? 

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

If they need to generate more cap space, they can easily do so by cutting some of the following extraneous players:

• OT Conor McDermott ($1.1M)
• FS Kai Nacua ($965K)
• OT Chuma Edoga ($965K)
• RB Ty Johnson ($965K)
• TE Trevon Wesco ($965K)
• OT Greg Senat ($895K)
• SS Jovante Moffatt ($895K)
• RB La'Mical Perine ($895K)
• EDGE Jabari Zuniga ($895K)
• DT Tanzel Smart ($895K)
• RB Tevin Coleman ($850K)
• TE Kenny Yeboah ($825K)
• WR Lawrence Cager ($825K)
• CB Rachad Wildgoose ($825K)
• EDGE Bradlee Anae ($820K)
• OT Grant Hermanns ($705K)
• OT Parker Ferguson ($705K)

 

@Barry McCockinner

Hand wringing over the cap is almost always wasted effort. Absent absolute cap Hell, a team can usually find a way to fit basically anyone they want.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

9 hours ago, JetNation said:

In a small tidbit from Rich Cimini of ESPN.com that should go over like a lead balloon with Jets fans, it appears the team does not expect offensive tackle Mekhi Becton to practice during the team’s upcoming mini camp.  Check the excerpt below.

3. Here comes Mekhi: Minicamp runs Tuesday and Wednesday. Unlike OTA practices, minicamp is mandatory. Saleh expects every player to attend, including tackle Mekhi Becton, who didn’t participate in the nine weeks of voluntary work. The Monday pre-camp physical will be the organization’s first in-person look at him since the end of the season. He’s not expected to practice.

So if Cimini is right, this would mean Becton will have missed nine months of action after he was reportedly going to miss 4-5 weeks.  This would also mean that the medical staff was off by no fewer than 30 weeks in their prognosis.

Fans can be up in arms all they like in regards to their franchise left tackle’s injury potentially dragging on for close to a year, but is the team’s error Becton’s fault?  Becton wasn’t the one who told fans he’d miss just over a month.  That was the team.  In fact, Becton sounded hopeful late in the season that he’d see the field before the season ended.

Is it possible the team was just wrong about his prognosis every step of the way?  Was Becton being given the same information that the fans were?  That playing in 2021 was a possibility?  If so, somebody dropped the ball.

It’s no secret that teams aren’t always 100% forthcoming in regards to injuries, but rarely will you see them project a 4-5 week return when a player may miss up to a year.

Every time the team address the Becton situation it reminds Jets fans just how poorly their projection was and the hysteria over the missed time starts all over again.  But in all reality, if the Jets recognized the fact that they handled it poorly out of the gate and now want to take a cautious approach, it’s probably the best thing for all parties.

 

 

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Bye bye Becton:

[Bronx]

 

[Ecuadorian Jet]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

If they need to generate more cap space, they can easily do so by cutting some of the following extraneous players:

• OT Conor McDermott ($1.1M)
• FS Kai Nacua ($965K)
• OT Chuma Edoga ($965K)
• RB Ty Johnson ($965K)
• TE Trevon Wesco ($965K)
• OT Greg Senat ($895K)
• SS Jovante Moffatt ($895K)
• RB La'Mical Perine ($895K)
• EDGE Jabari Zuniga ($895K)
• DT Tanzel Smart ($895K)
• RB Tevin Coleman ($850K)
• TE Kenny Yeboah ($825K)
• WR Lawrence Cager ($825K)
• CB Rachad Wildgoose ($825K)
• EDGE Bradlee Anae ($820K)
• OT Grant Hermanns ($705K)
• OT Parker Ferguson ($705K)

 

@Barry McCockinner

I am cool with cutting these guys today. 

• FS Kai Nacua ($965K)
• OT Chuma Edoga ($965K)
• TE Trevon Wesco ($965K)
• SS Jovante Moffatt ($895K)
• RB La'Mical Perine ($895K)
• EDGE Jabari Zuniga ($895K)
• WR Lawrence Cager ($825K)
• CB Rachad Wildgoose ($825K)
• OT Parker Ferguson ($705K)

[slats]

Just now, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I am cool with cutting these guys today. 

• FS Kai Nacua ($965K)
• OT Chuma Edoga ($965K)
• TE Trevon Wesco ($965K)
• SS Jovante Moffatt ($895K)
• RB La'Mical Perine ($895K)
• EDGE Jabari Zuniga ($895K)
• WR Lawrence Cager ($825K)
• CB Rachad Wildgoose ($825K)
• OT Parker Ferguson ($705K)

This offers next to zero cap relief. The one guy who should be worried is Sheldon Rankins. 

[NIGHT STALKER]

It seems like a lot of fans want to blame the medical staff...me personally, I think Becton is milking it.  We have an LB/edge rusher that had two knees operated on previously and also a ruptured achilles with us.  Does anyone know if Lawson will participating in the OTA's?  

 

[Warfish]

15 minutes ago, Bronx said:

 

Becton.....has not left.....the building.

But Elvis has.

 

[Sperm Edwards]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

If they need to generate more cap space, they can easily do so by cutting some of the following extraneous players:

• OT Conor McDermott ($1.1M)
• FS Kai Nacua ($965K)
• OT Chuma Edoga ($965K)
• RB Ty Johnson ($965K)
• TE Trevon Wesco ($965K)
• OT Greg Senat ($895K)
• SS Jovante Moffatt ($895K)
• RB La'Mical Perine ($895K)
• EDGE Jabari Zuniga ($895K)
• DT Tanzel Smart ($895K)
• RB Tevin Coleman ($850K)
• TE Kenny Yeboah ($825K)
• WR Lawrence Cager ($825K)
• CB Rachad Wildgoose ($825K)
• EDGE Bradlee Anae ($820K)
• OT Grant Hermanns ($705K)
• OT Parker Ferguson ($705K)

 

@Barry McCockinner

This isn't accurate, though.

Even in theory, cutting a $705K player saves approximately zero if replacing with another UDFA rookie or 2nd yr player; cutting an $860K player saves $0 if replacing with a different 3rd yr player; etc. So cutting about 10 of these guys, and replace all with rookie or 2nd yr level camp fodder guys in their places, would only cumulatively clear about $1MM (give or take a little).

It wouldn't even hold true if they cut a dozen guys and replaced them with nobody, and ran a summer roster of ~75ish which no one does even when they're in cap hell, since it'd just bump the next-12 cheaper guys up into the top 51 that counts for as long as that's the ceiling this summer.

That's just nerding out anyway. The real answer is this:

Depending which site you're looking at, they're somewhere between $6-10MM under right now. That's more than enough to sign Riley Reiff and still have change leftover. If they really needed additional space beyond that, they'd restructure someone more expensive to push some of his '22 cap onto future cap(s). 

[Jetsfan80]

36 minutes ago, slats said:

This offers next to zero cap relief. The one guy who should be worried is Sheldon Rankins. 

That list totals up to just under $8M.  That's not insignificant.  

I wouldn't have a problem cutting Rankins, however.  $5.4M in savings available there.

[varjet]

14 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This isn't accurate, though.

Even in theory, cutting a $705K player saves approximately zero if replacing with another UDFA rookie or 2nd yr player; cutting an $860K player saves $0 if replacing with a different 3rd yr player; etc. So cutting about 10 of these guys, and replace all with rookie or 2nd yr level camp fodder guys in their places, would only cumulatively clear about $1MM (give or take a little).

It wouldn't even hold true if they cut a dozen guys and replaced them with nobody, and ran a summer roster of ~75ish which no one does even when they're in cap hell, since it'd just bump the next-12 cheaper guys up into the top 51 that counts for as long as that's the ceiling this summer.

That's just nerding out anyway. The real answer is this:

Depending which site you're looking at, they're somewhere between $6-10MM under right now. That's more than enough to sign Riley Reiff and still have change leftover. If they really needed additional space beyond that, they'd restructure someone more expensive to push some of his '22 cap onto future cap(s). 

^^^ This. 

They could also cut Sheldon Rankins and try to make do with cheaper players on the roster.  I don't see the Jets doing that.  

[Jetsfan80]

14 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This isn't accurate, though.

Even in theory, cutting a $705K player saves approximately zero if replacing with another UDFA rookie or 2nd yr player; cutting an $860K player saves $0 if replacing with a different 3rd yr player; etc. So cutting about 10 of these guys, and replace all with rookie or 2nd yr level camp fodder guys in their places, would only cumulatively clear about $1MM (give or take a little).

It wouldn't even hold true if they cut a dozen guys and replaced them with nobody, and ran a summer roster of ~75ish which no one does even when they're in cap hell, since it'd just bump the next-12 cheaper guys up into the top 51 that counts for as long as that's the ceiling this summer.

That's just nerding out anyway. The real answer is this:

Depending which site you're looking at, they're somewhere between $6-10MM under right now. That's more than enough to sign Riley Reiff and still have change leftover. If they really needed additional space beyond that, they'd restructure someone more expensive to push some of his '22 cap onto future cap(s). 

 

OK nerd whatever

[slats]

10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

That list totals up to just under $8M.  That's not insignificant.  

I wouldn't have a problem cutting Rankins, however.  $5.4M in savings available there.

I see @Sperm Edwards has already schooled you. My work here is done. 

[Sperm Edwards]

2 minutes ago, varjet said:

^^^ This. 

They could also cut Sheldon Rankins and try to make do with cheaper players on the roster.  I don't see the Jets doing that.  

Of course. If it's just for this year they could also push some of others (e.g. Mosley) off to next year. In Mosley's case he'd still be cuttable but they just wouldn't save as much on the '23 cap (instead paying it forward to get that savings today). 

Or anyway, just do the same with Reiff or whomever else they want to sign; make it a 2 year deal that's voidable to 1 with the "real" 2022-year compensation as the guaranteed amount. 

[Sperm Edwards]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

OK nerd whatever

It works surgically, like for one player (at the same position, in particular, since that's an easy roster/position swap). e.g. Cut McDermott saves $1MM and that $1MM instead goes towards lessening a hit for Reiff. 

But you can't just cut 12 guys and say, "Their salaries, if kept, would add up to $8MM, so I just saved $8MM on the salary cap!! It's so simple and I'd much rather have another $8MM towards a great starter than 12 scrubs who'll almost never see the field. GMs are so stupid to not realize that $700K x 12 guys = $8MM -- how is Douglas not seeing this?!?!"

I'm sure I've made that mistake in the past, but it doesn't work as you outlined. Not unless, after final cutdowns, the Jets only carry a roster of 41 instead of 53 -- and if they even tried doing so, I'm sure both the league office and NFLPA would have something to say about it.

Cutting all those low-salary guys saves almost nothing.

[Jethead]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

the Jets also signed two washed place kickers

just because JD doesn't seem concerned doesn't mean he fixed (or even recognizes) the problem

JD is in the JD business and it's good for JD business for Becton to work out. So he doesn't consider the idea that he can't. 

Ditto Zach and every other JD pick. If it's a Mac Pick like QW ooo wee that player is a flawed POS

meanwhile JD treats his draft picks like gems. How is Jabari Zuniga still on this roster?

Becton still has all of JD's faith because Becton being good is a positive outcome for JD's GM career. it has very little to do with the reality of what's happening. It's all a utopian projection like the Jets themselves. This team has won 6 games in 2 years and fools are betting on Super Bowl wins. 

TL;DR they needed Ikey but they passed because they didn't want to admit their tackles are a problem 

"Detached from reality", a lot of that going around these days!

[Jetsfan80]

39 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It works surgically, like for one player (at the same position, in particular, since that's an easy roster/position swap). e.g. Cut McDermott saves $1MM and that $1MM instead goes towards lessening a hit for Reiff. 

But you can't just cut 12 guys and say, "Their salaries, if kept, would add up to $8MM, so I just saved $8MM on the salary cap!! It's so simple and I'd much rather have another $8MM towards a great starter than 12 scrubs who'll almost never see the field. GMs are so stupid to not realize that $700K x 12 guys = $8MM -- how is Douglas not seeing this?!?!"

I'm sure I've made that mistake in the past, but it doesn't work as you outlined. Not unless, after final cutdowns, the Jets only carry a roster of 41 instead of 53 -- and if they even tried doing so, I'm sure both the league office and NFLPA would have something to say about it.

Cutting all those low-salary guys saves almost nothing.

 

ALL RIGHT I WAS WRONG I GET IT

[AZSOJ]

Question for JD... what is your plan B sir?  

 

[freestater]

4 hours ago, Jetluv58 said:

Lots of wild and unsubstantiated conjecture, hand-wringing, and doom addiction afoot. Must be June. 

Historically, who has been right about this team come December every year?

The doom addiction crowd, or the sunshine brigade assuring us its all gonna work out?

[freestater]

4 hours ago, Bronx said:

 

[GreenFish]

9 hours ago, slats said:

I would not be surprised if one of the reasons Becton hasn’t been to the facility is because he has so little faith in the Jets’ medical/training folks. Will his weigh-in be on prime time? 

The weigh in is all that matters tomorrow. They could have pulled off a prime time special. Lost opportunity. 

[RutgersJetFan]

The lot of you made fun of me when I called his workouts soft and suggested that he man up and jump on the Peloton for some arms and interval workouts, but who’s laughing now.