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2-3 years ago, I can't remember who, but a poster here came up with an idea to create an NFL all-time team, but with a twist:  Each franchise (no matter how terrible) gets a spot on the roster.

As such I decided to give it another go this year and see if anyone else wants to give it a shot.  The only change I made was, for this iteration, I elected not to choose coaches, and stuck with players only.

The rules are as follows:

  1.  As noted, each of the NFL franchises get one spot on the team (32 spots up for grabs)
  2. Players must have spent more time on the team you choose than any other franchise (meaning you can't choose Tony Gonzalez for the Falcons, Terrell Owens for the Eagles, or Kurt Warner for the Cardinals, for instance).  If a player spent the same number of years for 2 franchises, you may then pick either franchise to represent.
  3.  The roster consists of 15 offensive players:  2 QB's, 2-3 RBs (or 2 RBs and 1 FB), 2 TE's, 3 WRs (1 of these can be a slot guy), LT, LG, C, RG, and RT
  4. The roster consists of 15 defensive players:  10 front 7 guys (at least 3 DL and at least 3 LBs), 5 DBs.  You may get as creative as you wish with the style of defensive front you choose as long as you have at least 3 DL and 3 LBs on your roster.
  5. The roster consists of 2 special teamers:  K and P.  You may also select 1-2 return men from your other offensive/defensive players.  But if you choose to use a "return specialist", you still must abide by the 32 total rosters spots rule.
  6. If a player played multiple positions during his career, you may choose any position he played (within reason; if he played SS for 12 years and CB for 1, put him at SS), but of course it would be in your best interests to choose his BEST position.  

 

As an example, here's the roster I assembled:

 

Offense (15)

QB1:  Peyton Manning, IND

QB2:  Drew Brees, NO

RB1:  Walter Payton, CHI

RB2:  Adrian Peterson, MIN

FB:  Bo Jackson, LVR

WR1:  Jerry Rice, SF

WR2:  Calvin Johnson, DET

Slot:  Charlie Joiner, LAC

TE1:  Ozzie Newsome, CLE

TE2:  Shannon Sharpe, DEN

LT:  Tony Boselli, JAC

LG:  John Hannah, NE

C :  Kevin Mawae, NYJ

RG:  Bruce Matthews, TEN

RT:  Willie Anderson, CIN

 

Defense (15)

DT1:  Aaron Donald, LAR

DT2:  Joe Greene, PIT

NT:  Ted Washington, BUF

3-4 DE:  J.J. Watt, HOU

4-3 DE:  Reggie White, PHI

EDGE:  Lawrence Taylor, NYG

EDGE:  Derrick Thomas, KC

OLB:  Derrick Brooks, TB

ILB:  London Fletcher, WAS

MLB:  Luke Kuechly, CAR

CB1:  Deion Sanders, DAL* 

CB2:  Patrick Peterson, AZ

DB:  Charles Woodson, GB* 

FS:  Ed Reed, BAL

SS:  Kam Chancellor, SEA

 

Special Teams (2)

K:  Matt Bryant, ATL

P:  Reggie Roby, MIA

KR:  Deion Sanders, DAL*

PR:  Charles Woodson, GB*

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Fun topic. 
 

QB Tom Brady-Patriots

QB Drew Brees-Saints

RB Barry Sanders-Lions

RB Jim Brown-Browns

RB Fred Taylor- Jags

WR Larry Fitzgerald-Cardinals

WR Andre Johnson-Texans

WR Randy Moss-Vikings

TE Tony Gonzalez-Chiefs

TE Kellen Winslow-Chargers

LT Anthony Munoz-Bengals 

LG Larry Allen-Cowboys 

C Dwight Stephenson-Dolphins

RG Bruce Matthews-Oilers/Titans

RT Forrest Gregg-Packers

 

DE Reggie White-Phi

DE Bruce Smith-Bills

DE Dwight Freeney-Colts

DTAaron Donal-Rams 

DTWarren Sapp-Bucs

DT Joe Greene-Steelers

Edge Lawrence Taylor-Giants

LB Ray Lewis-Ravens

LB Dick Butkus-Bears

LB Luke Keuchly-Panthers

CB Darrelle Revis-Jets

CB Deion Sanders-Falcons

CB Darrell Greene-Commanders

S Ronnie Lott-Niners

S Earl Thomas-Seahawks

 

P Shane Lechler-Raiders

K Jason Elam-Broncos

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QB Joe Namath Jets 

FB Earl Campbell Oilers 

HB Barry Sanders Lions

OT John Hannah Patriots

OT Anthony Munoz Bengals 

OG Jerry Kramer Packers 

OG Gene Upshaw Raiders 

WR Jerry Rice Niners 

WR Harold Carmichael Eagles

TE John Mackey Colts

C Mike Webster Steelers

DL Alan Page Vikings 

DL Merlin Olsen Rams 

DL Randy White Dallas 

 

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5 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Fun topic. 
 

QB Tom Brady-Patriots

QB Drew Brees-Saints

RB Barry Sanders-Lions

RB Jim Brown-Browns

RB Fred Taylor- Jags

WR Larry Fitzgerald-Cardinals

WR Andre Johnson-Texans

WR Randy Moss-Vikings

TE Tony Gonzalez-Chiefs

TE Kellen Winslow-Chargers

LT Anthony Munoz-Bengals 

LG Larry Allen-Cowboys 

C Dwight Stephenson-Dolphins

RG Bruce Matthews-Oilers/Titans

RT Forrest Gregg-Packers

 

DE Reggie White-Phi

DE Bruce Smith-Bills

DE Dwight Freeney-Colts

DTAaron Donal-Rams 

DTWarren Sapp-Bucs

DT Joe Greene-Steelers

Edge Lawrence Taylor-Giants

LB Ray Lewis-Ravens

LB Dick Butkus-Bears

LB Luke Keuchly-Panthers

CB Darrelle Revis-Jets

CB Deion Sanders-Falcons

CB Darrell Greene-Commanders

S Ronnie Lott-Niners

S Earl Thomas-Seahawks

 

P Shane Lechler-Raiders

K Jason Elam-Broncos


Nicely done!  I thought I’d end up with Larry Fitz or Andre Johnson at WR but somehow it didn’t play out that way.

Definitely a fun little “puzzle”, for me at least.  The Jaguars make it tough though, since no matter who you choose it’s kind of disappointing, lol.

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12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:


Nicely done!  I thought I’d end up with Larry Fitz or Andre Johnson at WR but somehow it didn’t play out that way.

Definitely a fun little “puzzle”, for me at least.  The Jaguars make it tough though, since no matter who you choose it’s kind of disappointing, lol.

I mean, you could do Urban Meyer as HC. You would not be disappointed

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This is so tough:

16 each side of the ball.  Not great balance but it could work.  Not sure if I got all 32 teams.  I'm a little dyslexic.

QB1 Mr. Perfect Tom Brady Pats
QB2 Dan Marino Dolphins

QB 3 Bart Starr Packers

RB 1 Jim Brown Browns

RB 2 Terrell Davis Bronco's

RB 3 Barry Sanders Lions

WR 1 Jerry Rice 49ers

WR 2 Randi Moss Vikings

WR 3 Fitzgeral Cardinals

Winston Hill OL Jets

Tonny Boselli OL Jaguars

Jim Otto OL Raiders

Anthony Munzon OL Bengals

Walter Jones OL Seahawks

Willie Roaf OL Saints

Kevin Winslow TE Chargers

 

Defense

Taylor Giants LB

Thomas KC Chiefs LB

Butkus Bears LB

Luke Kuechly Carolina LB 

Derrick Brooks  Bucs LB

Gino Marchetti DE Colts

Bruce Smith DE Bills

Bob Lilly Cowboys DT

Donald Rams DT

White Eagles DE/DT

JJ Watt DE Houston

Ed Reed  Safety Ravens

Ken Houston Safety Oilers/Titans

Mel Blount CB Steelers

Deion Sanders CB Falcons

Darrel Green Cornerback Redskins

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9 minutes ago, Biggs said:

This is so tough:

16 each side of the ball.  Not great balance but it could work.  Not sure if I got all 32 teams.  I'm a little dyslexic.

QB1 Mr. Perfect Tom Brady Pats
QB2 Dan Marino Dolphins

QB 3 Bart Starr Packers

RB 1 Jim Brown Browns

RB 2 Terrell Davis Bronco's

RB 3 Barry Sanders Lions

WR 1 Jerry Rice 49ers

WR 2 Randi Moss Vikings

WR 3 Fitzgeral Cardinals

Winston Hill OL Jets

Tonny Boselli OL Jaguars

Jim Otto OL Raiders

Anthony Munzon OL Bengals

Walter Jones OL Seahawks

Willie Roaf OL Saints

Kevin Winslow TE Chargers

 

Defense

Taylor Giants LB

Thomas KC Chiefs LB

Butkus Bears LB

Luke Kuechly Carolina LB 

Derrick Brooks  Bucs LB

Gino Marchetti DE Colts

Bruce Smith DE Bills

Bob Lilly Cowboys DT

Donald Rams DT

White Eagles DE/DT

JJ Watt DE Houston

Ed Reed  Safety Ravens

Ken Houston Safety Oilers/Titans

Mel Blount CB Steelers

Deion Sanders CB Falcons

Darrel Green Cornerback Redskins

If I have to replace anyone for a kicker and punter.  I'm replacing Ed Reed with Justin Tucker and Jim Otto with Ray Guy.  Love both but Tucker and Guy in my opinion are the 2 best.  

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Not an easy task, but here is my shot at it.  Decided to include coaches as part of the 32.  May have stretched the rules a little for Bill Walsh - since he was never an OC in Cincinnati, but did spend 8 years there as an offensive assistant.  So I promoted him to OC for this exercise.

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3 minutes ago, Lith said:

Not an easy task, but here is my shot at it.  Decided to include coaches as part of the 32.  May have stretched the rules a little for Bill Walsh - since he was never an OC in Cincinnati, but did spend 8 years there as an offensive assistant.  So I promoted him to OC for this exercise.

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High 5 for being another fellow Tony Boselli chooser along with @Biggs!

Pretty sure that guy would be in the HOF if he wasn't stuck playing for that sh*t franchise.  And maybe played 1-2 years longer.  5 straight Pro Bowls and 3 straight 1st Team All-Pro selections.  Helluva prime.

The last time we did an all-time draft here, Boselli ended up on my team there as well.

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Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

 

High 5 for being another fellow Tony Boselli chooser along with @Biggs!

Pretty sure that guy would be in the HOF if he wasn't stuck playing for that sh*t franchise.  And maybe played 1-2 years longer.  5 straight Pro Bowls and 3 straight 1st Team All-Pro selections.  Helluva prime.

When you look at the bad teams and pick great players who played for them the list is very short.  He was a great player.  

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8 minutes ago, Biggs said:

The hardest part for me is I worked the bad teams first.   You start looking at the Packers and Steelers at the end.  The amount of great players is off the charts.  

Yup.  You kind of have to "plant your flag" on certain guys, too.  Like "I HAVE to have this guy on my team".  For me those guys were Lawrence Taylor, J.J. Watt, Aaron Donald, Ed Reed, Calvin Johnson, Derrick Brooks and Boselli. 

Part of that was the dropoff in talent for Houston and Jacksonville once you start looking at their 2nd tier guys.  Another was the lack of relative depth at certain positions. 

At first I thought I HAD to have Jim Brown on my team as my Fullback, but then I realized I wanted Bo Jackson on my team more, and pivoted to Ozzie Newsome to fill a TE spot.  TE isn't all that deep from an all-time perspective. 

And Charlie Joiner was, in my mind, the best slot receiver option, so I didn't want to move off of him to grab Antonio Gates for the Chargers' spot.

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Interesting puzzle.  I need more time to submit but I'm starting by thinking about the teams where there are really only one or two viable options that are all-time greats to help narrow it down.  One team hardly had any worthy players and another pair collided on their only viable option.

 

CAR - Peppers or Keuchly.  Neither really feels like a fit but gotta pick someone.  Steve Smith was very good but again, hardly worthy here.  This might be the toughest team.

JAX - Boselli.  Hard to see anyone else.  Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor, and MJD were very good, but just not this level of good.  

CIN - Munoz is the right answer, but so many great Left Tackles, including Boselli.  Oddly, not much else to pick from unless you like Chad Johnson enough. 

I'm not really sure how to resolve the CIN/JAX issue.  Neither team had a great kicker or punter to speak of that I can recall.  Between the two, Munoz is the better choice, forcing JAX into one of the other choices.  

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4 minutes ago, nycdan said:

CIN - Munoz is the right answer, but so many great Left Tackles, including Boselli.  Oddly, not much else to pick from unless you like Chad Johnson enough. 

Because I had Boselli, I ended up going with Willie Anderson for Cincy.  Right Tackle isn't a particularly deep position, and Willie was maybe contending with Forrest Gregg as the GOAT there.

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7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yup.  You kind of have to "plant your flag" on certain guys, too.  Like "I HAVE to have this guy on my team".  For me those guys were Lawrence Taylor, J.J. Watt, Aaron Donald, Ed Reed, Calvin Johnson, Derrick Brooks and Boselli. 

Part of that was the dropoff in talent for Houston and Jacksonville once you start looking at their 2nd tier guys.  Another was the lack of relative depth at certain positions. 

At first I thought I HAD to have Jim Brown on my team as my Fullback, but then I realized I wanted Bo Jackson on my team more, and pivoted to Ozzie Newsome to fill a TE spot.  TE isn't all that deep from an all-time perspective. 

And Charlie Joiner was, in my mind, the best slot receiver option, so I didn't want to move off of him to grab Antonio Gates for the Chargers' spot.

I love Ozzie and while TE isn't deep you have some great TE's.  For my money Winslow was the best.  I also loved Alworth.  Saw him a lot against the Jets and Raiders back in the day.  Guy was amazing.   I went with Winslow because I still have a very vivid memory of the OT playoff game against Miami.   Winslow really changed the position. 

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10 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Interesting puzzle.  I need more time to submit but I'm starting by thinking about the teams where there are really only one or two viable options that are all-time greats to help narrow it down.  One team hardly had any worthy players and another pair collided on their only viable option.

 

CAR - Peppers or Keuchly.  Neither really feels like a fit but gotta pick someone.  Steve Smith was very good but again, hardly worthy here.  This might be the toughest team.

JAX - Boselli.  Hard to see anyone else.  Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor, and MJD were very good, but just not this level of good.  

CIN - Munoz is the right answer, but so many great Left Tackles, including Boselli.  Oddly, not much else to pick from unless you like Chad Johnson enough. 

I'm not really sure how to resolve the CIN/JAX issue.  Neither team had a great kicker or punter to speak of that I can recall.  Between the two, Munoz is the better choice, forcing JAX into one of the other choices.  

 

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Because I had Boselli, I ended up going with Willie Anderson for Cincy.  Right Tackle isn't a particularly deep position, and Willie was maybe contending with Forrest Gregg as the GOAT there.

 

I actually ended up creating a spreadsheet with the available options for each franchise.  These were the candidates in consideration for me Cincy, Jacksonville and Carolina.  Geno Atkins was another one I strongly considered for the Bengals:

 

CIN

  • Willie Anderson, RT
  • Anthony Munoz, LT
  • Ken Riley, CB
  • Geno Atkins, DT
  • A.J. Green, WR
  • Max Montoya, RG
  • Corey Dillon, RB
  • Tim Krumrie, NT
  • Carlos Dunlap, EDGE

JAX

  • Tony Boselli, LT
  • Fred Taylor, RB
  • Jimmy Smith, WR
  • Marcus Stroud, DT
  • Paul Posluszny, MLB
  • Rashean Mathis, CB
  • Josh Lambo, K

CAR

  • Luke Kuechly, MLB
  • Steve Smith, WR
  • Julius Peppers, EDGE
  • Greg Olsen, TE
  • Thomas Davis, LB
  • Cam Newton, QB
  • Jordan Gross, LT
  • Graham Gano, K
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4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

I actually ended up creating a spreadsheet with the available options for each franchise.  These were the candidates in consideration for me Cincy, Jacksonville and Carolina.  Geno Atkins was another one I strongly considered for the Bengals:

 

CIN

  • Willie Anderson, RT
  • Anthony Munoz, LT
  • Ken Riley, CB
  • Geno Atkins, DT
  • A.J. Green, WR
  • Max Montoya, RG
  • Corey Dillon, RB
  • Tim Krumrie, NT
  • Carlos Dunlap, EDGE

JAX

  • Tony Boselli, LT
  • Fred Taylor, RB
  • Jimmy Smith, WR
  • Marcus Stroud, DT
  • Paul Posluszny, MLB
  • Rashean Mathis, CB
  • Josh Lambo, K

CAR

  • Luke Kuechly, MLB
  • Steve Smith, WR
  • Julius Peppers, EDGE
  • Greg Olsen, TE
  • Thomas Davis, LB
  • Cam Newton, QB
  • Jordan Gross, LT
  • Graham Gano, K

CAR is a problem.  Is it too soon to consider Darnold there?

 

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2 minutes ago, nycdan said:

CAR is a problem.  Is it too soon to consider Darnold there?

Even Darnold could win with the team I assembled, that's for sure.

I almost ended up picking Graham Gano for the Panthers, even though he wasn't even that great of a kicker.  

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1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

I actually ended up creating a spreadsheet with the available options for each franchise.  These were the candidates in consideration for Carolina, Cincy and Jacksonville.  Geno Atkins was another one I strongly considered for the Bengals:

 

CIN

 

  • Willie Anderson, RT
  • Anthony Munoz, LT
  • Ken Riley, CB
  • Geno Atkins, DT
  • A.J. Green, WR
  • Max Montoya, RG
  • Corey Dillon, RB
  • Tim Krumrie, NT
  • Carlos Dunlap, EDGE

JAX

  • Tony Boselli, LT
  • Fred Taylor, RB
  • Jimmy Smith, WR
  • Marcus Stroud, DT
  • Paul Posluszny, MLB
  • Rashean Mathis, CB
  • Josh Lambo, K

CAR

  • Luke Kuechly, MLB
  • Steve Smith, WR
  • Julius Peppers, EDGE
  • Greg Olsen, TE
  • Thomas Davis, LB
  • Cam Newton, QB
  • Jordan Gross, LT
  • Graham Gano, K

That's a pretty good list.  Munoz and Boselli are clear cut miles above the rest on those two teams.  In the case of Carolina you can make a good argument that Peppers, Steve Smith, Olsen, Kuechly or Newton (NFL MVP) where their best player.  I went with Kuechly because in the case of Carolina you can't make the argument that Steve Smith, Greg Olsen or Newton where close to as good as the best at their positions.  Peppers was really good at a position where there are tons of really good players.  Kuechly was in the argument as one of the top guys at his position  for a few years. 

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4 minutes ago, Biggs said:

That's a pretty good list.  Munoz and Boselli are clear cut miles above the rest on those two teams.  In the case of Carolina you can make a good argument that Peppers, Steve Smith, Olsen, Kuechly or Newton (NFL MVP) where their best player.  I went with Kuechly because in the case of Carolina you can't make the argument that Steve Smith, Greg Olsen or Newton where close to as good as the best at their positions.  Peppers was really good at a position where there are tons of really good players.  Kuechly was in the argument as one of the top guys at his position  for a few years. 

Yup, Kuechly ended up being my guy as well.  Dude was a 1st team all-pro FIVE times.  For perspective, Ray Lewis accomplished that feat 7x.  Junior Seau 6x.

Then again, Bobby Wagner also made that list 6x at the same position.  But Seattle has other options...

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7 minutes ago, Biggs said:

That's a pretty good list.  Munoz and Boselli are clear cut miles above the rest on those two teams.  In the case of Carolina you can make a good argument that Peppers, Steve Smith, Olsen, Kuechly or Newton (NFL MVP) where their best player.  I went with Kuechly because in the case of Carolina you can't make the argument that Steve Smith, Greg Olsen or Newton where close to as good as the best at their positions.  Peppers was really good at a position where there are tons of really good players.  Kuechly was in the argument as one of the top guys at his position  for a few years. 

I think that's pretty much the answer for CAR.  Has to be Keuchly.  He was very good, not really the level of the rest of this list, but the best fit for that franchise by far.  And the other contenders for MLB all come from team with lots of other options (Lewis, Butkus, Seau, Singletary, Lambert).

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yup, Kuechly ended up being my guy as well.  Dude was a 1st team all-pro FIVE times.  For perspective, Ray Lewis accomplished that feat 7x.  Junior Seau 6x.

Then again, Bobby Wagner also made that list 6x at the same position.  But Seattle has other options...

Scarcity of choice is the most interesting part of this challenge. Will give it a legit shot later.

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1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

Look around you, there IS a plethora of societal problems.

Hence why, on a slow work day, I retreat to creating a spreadsheet that contains 291 NFL players and start a thread like this, lol.  

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27 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yup.  You kind of have to "plant your flag" on certain guys, too.  Like "I HAVE to have this guy on my team".  For me those guys were Lawrence Taylor, J.J. Watt, Aaron Donald, Ed Reed, Calvin Johnson, Derrick Brooks and Boselli. 

Boselli was kind of a no brainer for me from Jacksonville.  There was no one else to consider. 

For me, it was tough to choose between Calvin Johnson and Barry Sanders, but I had to go with Sanders.  He was able to create so much on his own, and I loved watching him play, probably more than any other RB in history.  Taking Sanders also opened a spot for Maynard, who was my favorite Jet as a kid (1st jersey I ever bought for my son was a throwback Maynard).  I also wanted to make sure I had pelnty of representation from guys I watched in the 60s and 70s.

Was hard to leave gusy like Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White off the team, but I wanted to go with Coaches.  Lombardi as HC and BB/Walsh as coordinators were easy picks.

And I had to have a Dawg on my team, so Champ Bailey is one of my CBs.  Thnkiing about it, maybe I shoudl have gone with Chuck Bednarik as my C instead of Kelce just to get a Penn Quaker on the team too. (Penn as undergrad; Georgia was grad school).

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Some other teams with a surprisingly short list:

HOU - Campbell, Moon, Matthews.  I don't think Moon is a great choice but either of Campbell or Matthews works for me.  

CLE - Jim Brown, Ozzie Newsome, Joe Thomas, Paul Warfield.  Thomas has no shot because of the logjam at LT.  Warfield isn't really there either.  Brown and Newsome feel like the only options.

PHI - Is there really anyone other than Reggie?  Don't bother trying.

ATL - two choices.  Deion and Tommy Nobis.  You want to put Deion on this list, and DAL has a lot more options to work with so it seems like a no-brainer to use him here.  Plus, Nobis is jammed up by Keuchly so it's almost a lock.

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8 minutes ago, Lith said:

Boselli was kind of a no brainer for me from Jacksonville.  There was no one else to consider. 

For me, it was tough to choose between Calvin Johnson and Barry Sanders, but I had to go with Sanders.  He was able to create so much on his own, and I loved watching him play, probably more than any other RB in history.  Taking Sanders also opened a spot for Maynard, who was my favorite Jet as a kid (1st jersey I ever bought for my son was a throwback Maynard).  I also wanted to make sure I had pelnty of representation from guys I watched in the 60s and 70s.

Was hard to leave gusy like Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White off the team, but I wanted to go with Coaches.  Lombardi as HC and BB/Walsh as coordinators were easy picks.

And I had to have a Dawg on my team, so Champ Bailey is one of my CBs.  Thnkiing about it, maybe I shoudl have gone with Chuck Bednarik as my C instead of Kelce just to get a Penn Quaker on the team too. (Penn as undergrad; Georgia was grad school).

 

That's the beauty of something like this:  Seemingly endless possibilities!  

Sanders/Megatron was a tough debate for me.  I also almost ended up with Champ Bailey as a CB too!

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1 minute ago, nycdan said:

ATL - two choices.  Deion and Tommy Nobis.  You want to put Deion on this list, and DAL has a lot more options to work with so it seems like a no-brainer to use him here.  Plus, Nobis is jammed up by Keuchly so it's almost a lock.

I had Deion as a Cowboy, though I guess I should have put him as a Falcon.  He spent the same # of years with both.  

Atlanta was indeed tough.  Jessie Tuggle at MLB and George Kunz at RT were alternative selections for me.  I ended up going with Matt Bryant at K.  

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