THE BARON Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I'm trying to assemble the "All Psycho-Defense". Not necessarily the most skilled defense but the player at each position that is off the wall nuts. Please make suggestions. Thus far the only unit I am happy with is my defensive backfield. DEFENSE Line: Lyle Alzado, Suh (the early days), Jack Youngblood, Charles Haley, (add or subtract any you like. We need to settle on the 4 most demented) LB's Vontez Burfict, James Harrison, Charlie Badnerich, Jack Lambert, Dick Butkus, Ray Lewis. (Need to settle on 4 most demented) Safties, Chuck Cecil, Jack Tatum CB: Night Train Lane, Ronnie Lott 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #27TheDominator Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 Not sure who will post here, but I will drop a name I didn't become familiar with until a few years ago. Hardy Brown. Sad story and crazy guy that had a rough life and drank himself into oblivion, but if you appreciate the old ultra-violence, his bio is worth reading. Quote “To me, Hardy Brown was the most unique player ever. Think of it this way: What Hardy Brown was all about in football wasn’t physical. Hardy was a psychic occurrence.” Quote I saw my first Hardy Brown hit while watching films of the 1951 Browns-49ers game at the Pro Football Hall of Fame. A San Francisco defensive back intercepted a pass by Otto Graham and was weaving his way upfield when a sudden movement at the bottom of the screen caught my eye. It was like the flash a fisherman might see in a stream before his line grows taut. I reversed the film and watched again. As a Browns receiver turned to pursue the play, he was struck so violently in the face that his helmet popped up on his head and his back hit the ground before his feet. Standing over him was Hardy Brown. You could almost hear him chuckling. Quote “It was early in the game,” former Eagles running back Toy Ledbetter recalls of his 1953 run-in with Brown, “and I was carrying on a sweep to the right. I knew about Brown because I’d been at Oklahoma State when he was at Tulsa. I usually kept my eye on him, but this time I cut inside a block and never saw him. He caught me with the shoulder and the next thing I knew I was on the ground looking for my head.” The hit broke Ledbetter’s cheek. Dr. Tom Dow, Eagles team physician, said it was the worst facial fracture he’d seen. Quote “He broke more jaws than any guy going,” Brettschneider said. Quote Game stories on a 49ers-Cardinals exhibition in ’51, for instance, state that as many as six Chicago players were put out of the game, three with broken noses. Quote Brown got poor Toy Ledbetter in college, too. It came on a kickoff return, and Finks says it’s the hardest hit he’s ever seen. “Ledbetter lay there quivering,” he says. “Snot came out of his nose. He was bloody. He was down five minutes before they finally carried him off.” Quote "I didn't really believe the things I'd heard about him, but then I played against him for the first time at Kezar Stadium in'51," said Joe Geri, then a single- wing tailback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. "We ran a trap or something and he threw that shoulder into my eye -- we didn't wear face masks in those days -- and put me down on my back. I was lying there groggy but I managed to ask one of my teammates, `Is it bad?' And he said, `Well, your eye's out.'" It was reported that Geri's eye literally was hanging by a tendon, out of the socket. Quote In 1954, Gil "Wild Horse" Mains of the Detroit Lions, who would become a professional wrestler, came flying aown the field on a kickoff and jumped feet first into Brown, hitting him squarely in the thigh. "They had to put about 20 stitches in him," Mains said, "but he came out and played the last half, and on one of his first plays, he caught one of our backs, Bullet Bill Bowman, in the face and broke his nose. I couldn't believe Hardy could come back. I always admired him." Quote In the game in which Brown dislodged Joe Geri's eye, Geri said, "I walked to the sidelines and one of my teammates said, `Don't worry, Joe. We'll take care of Brown.' But when it was all over, he'd put about three more people besides me out of the game." THE TOUGHEST 49 EVER The most dangerous player who ever buckled a chinstrap His personal story is even wilder than his time in the league. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, #27TheDominator said: Not sure who will post here, but I will drop a name I didn't become familiar with until a few years ago. Hardy Brown. Sad story and crazy guy that had a rough life and drank himself into oblivion, but if you appreciate the old ultra-violence, his bio is worth reading. THE TOUGHEST 49 EVER The most dangerous player who ever buckled a chinstrap His personal story is even wilder than his time in the league. Very nice addition ! TY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 You'd need a way to work in Antonio Brown as a FS or something 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 The thing with the LB position in particular is there are so many choices. I'd add Bill Romanowski, and perhaps Ted Hendricks. At safety, John Lynch was pretty bonkers - knocked his own brother-in-law, an opposing tight end, out cold and out of a game. Just about ended Christian Okoye's career with a goal line hit, IIRC - and Okoye was no wallflower dwarf when it came to contact. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Hex Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 hours ago, jgb said: You'd need a way to work in Antonio Brown as a FS or something You know like 3 games in he would leave the field with his shirt off 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 Lawrence Taylor? Quote By his third season in the pros he was smoking up to an ounce of crack a day Quote the man did have a foolproof way to combat the effects of STDs (a trait you'd need when relying on ladies of the night). The remedy? Well we ruined it for you in the headline, but it was a strawberry milkshake laced with penicillin. Quote anybody who was watching 60 Minutes on Nov. 30, 2003 heard Lawrence Taylor say that the Giants paid $500 to $1,000 for big hits. He even called it a "bounty." Quote Taylor claimed to send call girls to opposing players' rooms to "keep them up as long as possible" presumably playing Scrabble or watching TV. He claimed to have gotten the idea after it was pulled on him when he was younger by the Houston Oilers. Quote After a 1985 "off year," (where he had 13 sacks and made the Pro Bowl) L.T. checked into Methodist Hospital in Houston, under a fake name, to begin, and abruptly end, rehab. After one group therapy session Taylor walked out because he thought the other addicts there were "crazy." It makes us curious to know the stories of the other patients. After all, L.T. had spent the season chewing glass, dancing on stripper poles, and dropping $700 at a time to armed drug dealers. We better be talking about Amanda Bynes level here. After leaving the hospital, L.T. spent the rest of the offseason playing golf across the country with his agent. He returned in 1986 to lead the NFL in sacks, win the MVP award, and beat John Elway and the Broncos 39-20 in Super Bowl XXI. Quote Rock bottom is when you need somebody else's piss to avoid a suspension for any reason ever. Taylor found a crafty way to have his coke and eat it too. Simply use another guy's lemonade to keep you on the field. Get your money, and pay the dealers. Everyone's happy. In the pre-whizzinator days L.T. found "clean" teammates and had them piss in an aspirin bottle he carried around. When the test came he'd pour his peers' pee into the cup. That was all well and good until one of the urine samples he was given was also tainted with residual narcotics. Quote After a night with some call girls, Taylor ended up going to a Bill Parcells-led team meeting in a pair of handcuffs too erotic for the NYPD. The reason? The prostitutes gave their profession a bad name by lacking the competence to bring the keys. Quote he spent a grand daily, and could call up to six prostitutes in a 24-hour period. This, of course, is more prostitutes than most of us call up in a month. Quote Taylor admits he hit his nadir when he would cruise with his fancy Cadillac through rundown neighborhoods simply searching for his next high. One such neighborhood was "The Hill" in Spring Valley, NY. Taylor claims to have spotted three dealers but their drug selling procedure made him nervous. One got in the back of his car, one blocked his door, and the other called "shotgun." The dude in the passengers seat eyed his Rolex and after the drug transaction, he (temporarily) took it, at gunpoint, in addition to a diamond pinkie ring. He then handed the gun to his cohort outside the car to add years to their potential felony. Taylor, seeing his opportunity, gunned it, driving on the curb while the freaked out attempted robber panicked. He threatened Taylor with the gun he no longer had and got his ass kicked by the former most-feared player in the NFL. Quote After the whole "tainted urine" incident, L.T. had to be on his best behavior and refrain from doing drugs, lest he risk a "third strike" and possible banishment from the NFL. In short, he had to follow his own advice. That means he had a five-year hiatus from coke lasting from 1988-1993. When talking about his plans after retirement he said "[cocaine was] the only bright spot in his future." With no more drug tests, he was free to indulge. The day after retirement he was smoking crack. Eventually Obviously, this development led to a full-on relapse. With no football intervals between the drug use, and a pile of money to burn, he became a junkie. At some point his house resembled Jesse Pinkman's from Breaking Bad, becoming a veritable crack den, filled with hookers and other junkies and using sheets to cover the windows. It took a couple of arrests and a jail threat to turn his life around and re-focus his energy into something less crack related. Somehow that made it worse... Quote In May 2010, Taylor injected himself back into the news cycle by having sex with a 16-year-old prostitute. In fairness to L.T., he claims the woman did say she was 19. https://www.complex.com/sports/2014/02/lawrence-taylor-crazy/lawrence-taylor-arrested 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bless you....Thank you Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Brian Cushing was a real gem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Demented you say? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 7 hours ago, jgb said: You'd need a way to work in Antonio Brown as a FS or something Aaron Hernandez as a middle linebacker, he’d kill it. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peebag Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 If Ben Davidson isn't on the list, it's not gangsta enough. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#27TheDominator Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 He already had Night Train Lane but he is worth another mention. "Nobody ever made a good tackle below the eyebrow." They outlawed the face mask so he invented the Night Train necktie, also known as the clothesline. https://youtu.be/9BaPMMYekkA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Singletary, Greg Lloyd, John Randle, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Bungaman said: The thing with the LB position in particular is there are so many choices. I'd add Bill Romanowski, and perhaps Ted Hendricks. At safety, John Lynch was pretty bonkers - knocked his own brother-in-law, an opposing tight end, out cold and out of a game. Just about ended Christian Okoye's career with a goal line hit, IIRC - and Okoye was no wallflower dwarf when it came to contact. Oh, SNAP. Romanowski. How did I forget about him. Yes. A five alarm mental case on the field. Remember him spitting on JJ Stokes ??? What a menace 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Romanowski? Deacon Jones ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, The Crusher said: Aaron Hernandez as a middle linebacker, he’d kill it. If I was doing an offense, Hernandez would be a consideration, but his issues were off the field. Not like he played on the field like a wild man. If I had to pick a TE that I thought had no regard for personal safety or fear of the opposition and who also looked like a bit of a mental case behind his face mask, I'd have to go with Mark RAMBO Bavaro. I remember Singletary hitting him like a truck and shaking his head when Rambo didnt even flinch. There is a sound clip of Parcells commenting on Bavaro... "Id hate to fight that guy. You never know what he's thinking" I cant think of too many WR's that would classify as ruffians or dangerous on the field other than Heins Ward. Some of them that might be a bit "off" during their playing days guys like Irving Fryar, Randy Moss and even our own Robbie Anderson, but none of those guys would be looked at as payers that might just take your head off like Heins Ward was known to do However, PLENTY of offensive lineman that would make the list. Keven Gogan, Conrad Dobler, Ritchie Incognito, Harvey Dahl, Mike Munchak 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Larz said: Romanowski? Deacon Jones ? Romanowski, hell yes. Decon Jones one of the best, toughest players, but not a mental case. For example, Strahan the much better player than Alzado, but Alzado was a nut. Perhaps Gastineau would be a consideration due to the sack dance. Not just skills, but taunting and so on. Ask Jackie Slater and the Rams bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 8 hours ago, jgb said: You'd need a way to work in Antonio Brown as a FS or something Mr. Backend Coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 28, 2022 Author Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 hours ago, redlichtie said: Demented you say? Joe a hard nosed blue collar lunch pail type player, but not a mental case. We need evidence of on-field personality disorders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Where’s Anthony Schlegel? Only psychos hunt boar. With a knife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Joey Porter? Boarded the Ravens bus looking to kick the ass of Ray Lewis. Ejected from a game against the Browns for getting in a fight on the field before the coin toss. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Things Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I think Anquan Boldin would include Eric Smith on this list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jets Things said: I think Anquan Boldin would include Eric Smith on this list. Eric Smith just fell down while you typed this. @Bleedin Green 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Ray Nitschke. Got to put Lombardi on the list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Bryan Cox was pretty demented in his playing days. Especially when he was playing against the Bills. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 LT was savage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Jim Burt and our own lovable Stan Blinka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/28/2022 at 3:25 AM, THE BARON said: If I was doing an offense, Hernandez would be a consideration, but his issues were off the field. Not like he played on the field like a wild man. If I had to pick a TE that I thought had no regard for personal safety or fear of the opposition and who also looked like a bit of a mental case behind his face mask, I'd have to go with Mark RAMBO Bavaro. I remember Singletary hitting him like a truck and shaking his head when Rambo didnt even flinch. There is a sound clip of Parcells commenting on Bavaro... "Id hate to fight that guy. You never know what he's thinking" I cant think of too many WR's that would classify as ruffians or dangerous on the field other than Heins Ward. Some of them that might be a bit "off" during their playing days guys like Irving Fryar, Randy Moss and even our own Robbie Anderson, but none of those guys would be looked at as payers that might just take your head off like Heins Ward was known to do However, PLENTY of offensive lineman that would make the list. Keven Gogan, Conrad Dobler, Ritchie Incognito, Harvey Dahl, Mike Munchak By this criteria, if you’re talking offense, Marion Barber III (RIP) is your RB1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 29, 2022 Author Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, jgb said: By this criteria, if you’re talking offense, Marion Barber III (RIP) is your RB1. Damn good suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/27/2022 at 8:49 AM, #27TheDominator said: `Is it bad?' And he said, `Well, your eye's out.'" It was reported that Geri's eye literally was hanging by a tendon, out of the socket. Goodness gracious… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/27/2022 at 2:02 PM, Barry McCockinner said: Taylor admits he hit his nadir when he would cruise with his fancy Cadillac through rundown neighborhoods simply searching for his next high. One such neighborhood was "The Hill" in Spring Valley, NY. Dude. Once upon a time I played in Spring Valley little league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Steve Atwater. Dude hit like a freight train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Goodness gracious… Supposedly Halas had his shoulder pads checked before at least one game because he thought there were steel plates. Years ago I saved clippings of crazy quotes from the newspaper. I know there were a few from Greg Lloyd about hitting people so hard you would steel their soul. He didn't want to blow up anybody's knee, but he did want players to "reconsider their line of employment." I think I had one about him playing Pop Warner where the other kids would have parents that came out to cheer and he did not, so he would try to kill the kids and look at their parents. It was both sad and funny at the same time. I guess that is a proper tragedy. There are a bunch of articles like that about the Steelers - particularly the "stealing your soul" stuff. John Elway's first NFL game. Quote On his first play, he looked across the line and saw middle linebacker Jack Lambert of the Pittsburgh Steelers glaring at him. "He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself," Elway said. "I'm thinking, `You can have your money back. Just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant.' "I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there." Elway was 1-8 for 14 yards with an INT and was sacked 4 times. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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